Anonymous to Iggy Azalea: You have 48 hours

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Still don't get why Anonymous should get involved in any of this bullshit. They've gone from exposing Scientology... to this? Come on now.
 
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Foxy Fox 39 said:
It's this a trick question? Do disagree with the concept or are you playing a semantics game?

Well you're just ignoring the issue now. The issue is not necessarily appropriation. Like I said and banks said the problem is the discrepancy in recognition. It's yours but it's not yours. You did well but we like this lighter face better. Hence the whole issue of macklemore winning over Kendrick. It's a farce. But it's something that happens often. The white individuals who do black music get more recognition even though often it's not better than their black peers.

Why do you think the meme
"Macklemore is the first rapper with something to say" is so effective?
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So her problem isn't with Iggy and Macklemore, but the institutions that keep them in the limelight?
 
So I read that article about Bank's radio interview and Iggy's Twitter response, but I don't see how that makes Iggy a racist. Is there anything else that I should read up on to understand the situation?
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
So her problem isn't with Iggy and Macklemore, but the institutions that keep them in the limelight?
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This really isn't that dense of a subject to understand, dude.

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I think the problem that most are having in this thread is this: Currently, Iggy (and - by extension - TI) & Macklemore are currently the faces of culture appropriation in Hip-Hop, while at the same time, being the vehicle of ANOTHER personal attack from Banks to Iggy, TI, & Tiny.

However, this does not negate the points that she had made in the Hot97 interview. Which is that currently, the powers that be in the music industry, and the critics that follow them, are giving cultural and critical praise to someone who is nothing more than a racist vulture who is capitalizing off of a culture that doesn't belong to her. And that Black artists with the power to give a damn, like TI, would rather make a minstrel show out of themselves to keep the money flowing than do anything else.
 
jWILL253 said:
However, this does not negate the points that she had made in the Hot97 interview. Which is that currently, the powers that be in the music industry, and the critics that follow them, are giving cultural and critical praise to someone who is nothing more than a racist vulture who is capitalizing off of a culture that doesn't belong to her.
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That claim is more racist than anything happening there. I guess blacks can't capitalize of "white" culture then, whatever that means
 
Jacobi said:
That claim is more racist than anything happening there. I guess blacks can't capitalize of "white" culture then, whatever that means
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A White woman from Australia rapping in a Southern American accent, being promoted by a legit southern rapper, is unironically viewed by non-rap critics as the "Queen of Rap", a form of music that originated in the dominantly Black neighborhoods of South Bronx, NY. Despite the fact that there are Black artists making the same form of music with better quality, and being shunned for it.

That's racist, bro.

EDIT: And there is no such thing as "White" culture, seeing as that kind of thing is pretty much just "American" culture.
 
jWILL253 said:
A White woman from Australia rapping in a Southern American accent, being promoted by a legit southern rapper, is unironically viewed by non-rap critics as the "Queen of Rap", a form of music that originated in the dominantly Black neighborhoods of South Bronx, NY. Despite the fact that there are Black artists making the same form of music with better quality, and being shunned for it.

That's racist, bro.
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And El-P is a white rapper/producer who is getting many, many AOTY nominations by the same publications happily buying into this horseshit from Banks. Despite the fact that plenty of black artists have put out rap albums this year. As we all know, rap originated in the dominantly black neighborhoods of South Bronx, N.Y.
 
Wasn't Nicki Minaj hailed as the new Queen of Rap when Super Bass blew up a few years ago?

The same happened with Iggy and Fancy. It's just a phase. Soon another female rapper is gonna have a huge hit and critics will move on to next one.
 
jWILL253 said:
A White woman from Australia rapping in a Southern American accent, being promoted by a legit southern rapper, is unironically viewed by non-rap critics as the "Queen of Rap", a form of music that originated in the dominantly Black neighborhoods of South Bronx, NY. Despite the fact that there are Black artists making the same form of music with better quality, and being shunned for it.

That's racist, bro.

EDIT: And there is no such thing as "White" culture, seeing as that kind of thing is pretty much just "American" culture.
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That's nothing to cry over, the best artists almost never get most of the recognition, fame or money and all of that is just opinion and hyperbole anyways. A mix of cultures is always healthy for an artform.
 
WanderingWind said:
And El-P is a white rapper/producer who is getting many, many AOTY nominations by the same publications happily buying into this horseshit from Banks. Despite the fact that plenty of black artists have put out rap albums this year. As we all know, rap originated in the dominantly black neighborhoods of South Bronx, N.Y.
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And yet, no one, not even El-P himself, is proclaiming that he's the ABSOLUTE LEADER of the culture. He also respects the culture, and the people that it came from, else Killer Mike wouldn't be caught dead near him.

Iggy is the exact opposite of the above.

So, I ask you, sincerely: What is your point?

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Jacobi said:
That's nothing to cry over, the best artists almost never get most of the recognition, fame or money and all of that is just opinion and hyperbole anyways. A mix of cultures is always healthy for an artform.
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You're missing the point.

Imagine if you became an expert at building sand castles, and learned your trade from other people who were great at building sand castles, and treated it as an art. Then all of a sudden, you build this great sand structure, and some other mothafucka comes along and just makes a mountain of sand, puts a flag on it, and calls it the best sand castle ever. Or even worse, this person walks over to your sand castle, kicks you in the face, stands over you, and claims that the castle that you built is his/hers now. And everybody believes that person, and that person takes credit for some shit he/she didn't build, or work hard for. You'd be mad as fuck, right?

It's the same shit here...
 
jWILL253 said:
A White woman from Australia rapping in a Southern American accent, being promoted by a legit southern rapper, is unironically viewed by non-rap critics as the "Queen of Rap", a form of music that originated in the dominantly Black neighborhoods of South Bronx, NY. Despite the fact that there are Black artists making the same form of music with better quality, and being shunned for it.

That's racist, bro.

EDIT: And there is no such thing as "White" culture, seeing as that kind of thing is pretty much just "American" culture.
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Those award shows are meaningless anyway. There are always going to be white people expressing themselves via black culture. I just think Iggy takes it to a new level of ridiculous with her rapping voice. She probably wouldn't be getting so much hate for her rapping if she didn't do that.
 
Grizzo said:
Is that because she hides her accent? Because when I was younger I couldn't tell Kylie Minogue was Australian either.
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She puts on an entirely fake accent and persona. Look how she writes her tweets. No australian talks like that. I have australian MC friends from perth - both female and male, they dont put on an american voice when they rhyme....
 
jWILL253 said:
And yet, no one, not even El-P himself, is proclaiming that he's the ABSOLUTE LEADER of the culture. He also respects the culture, and the people that it came from, else Killer Mike wouldn't be caught dead near him.

Iggy is the exact opposite of the above.

So, I ask you, sincerely: What is your point?
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Every single rapper to ever pic up a mike has talked about how they're the best/greatest. But it's now a problem when it's a white artist we dislike. The point should be obvious. Banks is just finding a different avenue for her hate. How anybody is buying into this nonsense is beyond me.
 
WanderingWind said:
Every single rapper to ever pic up a mike has talked about how they're the best/greatest. But it's now a problem when it's a white artist we dislike. The point should be obvious. Banks is just finding a different avenue for her hate. How anybody is buying into this nonsense is beyond me.
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And the conversation remains the same. When Jay did it, when Big did it, when Nas did it, when whichever the next rapper called themselves the Kings, we always discussed it. All of them were disliked for reasons as well when they wanted to crown themselves. The media on the other hand didn't give two shit to praise anyone and crown anyone as such.

But Iggy is the subsequent "Queen" and "Fancy" is quintessential rap song of 2014?

That sounds right to you?
 
thesuperfunk said:
You obviously never watched Neighbours then! She was so hot back in the day!
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haha I wish I did, it seems like a lot of popstars have started their career on that show!

Phat Michael said:
She puts on an entirely fake accent and persona. Look how she writes her tweets. No australian talks like that. I have australian MC friends from perth - both female and male, they dont put on an american voice when they rhyme....
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But you know lots of artists take on another accent while singing or rapping. I know I'm a huge fan of the UK group Sugababes and they sing with an american accent on every song.

There are also artists like Woodkid. He's french but you wouldn't know it just by listening to his songs.

Plus Nicki Minaj talks and sings with a british accent on some of her songs and interviews and nobody ever said anything about it. What I'm getting at is, I don't think the accent thing is that big of a deal. I can't really judge about the rest though.
 
AyaisMUsikWhore said:
And the conversation remains the same. When Jay did it, when Big did it, when Nas did it, when whichever the next rapper called themselves the Kings, we always discussed it. The media on the other hand didn't give to shit to praise anyone and crown anyone as such.

But Iggy is the subsequent "Queen" and "Fancy" is quintessential rap song of 2014?

That sounds right to you?
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You have got to be kidding me. Nobody discussed Jay and Nas talking about being the king of NY? Nobody talks about Kanye's arrogance? Nobody talked a bit about KDot's "King of NY" line in Control?

Seriously? This is where we're at in this weird "are white people allowed to rap" proxy war?

EDIT: And who is calling "Fancy" the best rap song of the year, btw? Not that it really matters, but I just want to see these receipts.
 
jWILL253 said:
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You're missing the point.

Imagine if you became an expert at building sand castles, and learned your trade from other people who were great at building sand castles, and treated it as an art. Then all of a sudden, you build this great sand structure, and some other mothafucka comes along and just makes a mountain of sand, puts a flag on it, and calls it the best sand castle ever. Or even worse, this person walks over to your sand castle, kicks you in the face, stands over you, and claims that the castle that you built is his/hers now. And everybody believes that person, and that person takes credit for some shit he/she didn't build, or work hard for. You'd be mad as fuck, right?

It's the same shit here...
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That analogy would be right if Iggy was banning all of the other music. But some people just like it I guess and people sometimes like shitty things. It also sounds like there are rapper's family dynastys or something like that, but every rapper starts at the same point I'd say. Through the internet you can hear every song, so it doesn't even matter where you were born.

I didn't hear anyone say anything against Ai Weiwei when he did art installations, which isn't a Chinese profession....
 
WanderingWind said:
Every single rapper to ever pic up a mike has talked about how they're the best/greatest.
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This is correct.

However, while no art form should need a particular group of people to legitimize it for said art form to be considered worthy, Hip-Hop/Rap to this day hasn't been respected as a real artistic form of expression and music by White America since its inception, despite it being the most influential form of music to date.

But, ever since Iggy and Macklemore got involved, not only is rap suddenly getting more respect from White America, but those two artists are placed on a pedestal as the absolute best of the genre. The same thing happens with Eminem. The difference is, at least Eminem and Macklemore have publicly acknowledged that they don't consider themselves that way, and Eminem has publicly stated that people only see him in that light because of his race. Iggy has done no such thing.

You see nothing wrong with this?
 
jWILL253 said:
This is correct.

However, while no art form should need a particular group of people to legitimize it for said art form to be considered worthy, Hip-Hop/Rap to this day hasn't been respected as a real artistic form of expression and music by White America since its inception, despite it being the most influential form of music to date.

But, ever since Iggy and Macklemore got involved, not only is rap suddenly getting more respect from White America, but those two artists are placed on a pedestal as the absolute best of the genre. The same thing happens with Eminem. The difference is, at least Eminem and Macklemore have publicly acknowledged that they don't consider themselves that way, and Eminem has publicly stated that people only see him in that light because of his race. Iggy has done no such thing.

You see nothing wrong with this?
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The only thing I see wrong with this is how skewed you view things. "White" America has had plenty of representation throughout rap's history. Yet, the biggest names in the game have almost always been black people. Em had a short reign in that space compared to say, Jay-Z. The Beastie Boys aren't more highly regarded than Pac or Big. Illmatic is well-known as the best rap album of all time. Also, Eminem absolutely called himself the greatest rapper and still does.

Iggy is hot this year, like every other pop artist in her lane, she'll be forgotten about soon enough. White America has loved rap for quite some time. She definitely didn't do shit for that, save for maybe the tweens she appeals to.
 
Ridiculous!

Something has to happen with the Internet.
Can't be that some 17 year old fucktards from "Anonymous" can threat, hack or dox people and nobody can do something against it. We're not in the Wild West anymore. These little shits aren't the police. Fuck them!
 
Tain said:
http://www.complex.com/music/2014/1...+12+2014&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

Banks dropping a tasteless f-bomb and brushing off the Cosby accusations is undeniably lame, but how can anyone equate Iggy and Banks given Iggy's reaction here?

side-note: getting on Banks for her attitude really bothers me.
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The thing that disgusts me about that article-and really this being a "thing" in the first place particularly in America-is the notion that there's "white" or "black" music in any capacity. Who's to say there's some genetic block preventing a white person from liking ATCQ naturally, or a black person from enjoying Green Day or Sum 41? How the actual hell do you designate frequencies, chords, and melodies as belonging or resonating w/ a specific ethnicity? That's beyond stupid.

Not everyone has to like every type of music, but music...melody, by it's nature, isn't discriminative. It's not like a clef note decided to go "I think I'll only let white people hear me" or some shit like that. It's honestly disgusting how this mentality has pervaded into the mainstream music scenes of America.

That's why you could never have had movements like Jungle and Drum and Bass (two of the 3 absolute BEST new genres of music that have come about in the past 2+ decades, alongside UK and speed garage) originate here, and that makes me really, really sad. I don't need an education on what cultural appropriation is, but the fact that there's a mentality where you have to define music by race/ethnicity is just very shallow, even for political reasons.

And if being technical for a moment.....hiphop, jazz, rock and roll....they are all technically "black" music but....where are the young black musicians in the latter two these days? I mean, if I search hard enough...really hard mind you, but still, with enough looking I guess I can find one or two. Maybe three. I don't say that to be smarmy or funny; it's just an unfortunate reality.

Just because people of other ethnicities start to dig into music you may have created, doesn't mean you have to feel like you're being "squeezed out". There's room in all music for everybody; it comes down to fortitude and how much you love music for the sake of the music vs. being in it for the money. When I see a lot of black rappers talking about hiphop being "black" music and it being appropriated, it's really just code talk about money; hiphop has a lot of money involved in it, people don't want to feel like they're being cut off from the money. Understandable.

But at least frame it as you actually mean it, not in loaded racial talk that just further creates unnecessary boundaries and divisions.
 
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