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(another) Revolution Rumor

El_Victor

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Revolution Update
Revolution to be able to output to multiple televisions.
by Matt Casamassina

July 3, 2005 - At a share holders meeting today, Nintendo Co. Ltd.'s president, Saturo Iwata, revealed that the company's next generation game console, code-named Revolution, would be able to wirelessly output to multiples televisions. He went on to explain that this would, "add an exciting, new element to multiplayer games," and would, "give developers a tool to deliver creative and fun gaming expierences."


http://www.xsorbit1.com/users/cubeeurope/index.cgi?board=rev&action=display&num=1120294626

Fake? Almost certainly.
 
that would explain the lack of HD
 
.............what?

I hope Revolution is like FFXII- it just kind of looms and looms for years in mystery, creating non-stop speculation, driving fans into sickening frustration. :(
 
Milhouse31 said:
Kinda confirm your pre-E3 rumbling
maybe.

the source that told me about this way back has always been spot on, but i never really endorsed it being that i don't know if the technology to do this it out there.
 
Johnny Nighttrain said:
maybe.

the source that told me about this way back has always been spot on, but i never really endorsed it being that i don't know if the technology to do this it out there.

This sounds amazing. I have 4 tv's and three computers, so it would be sweet to play 8 player Mario Kart on my own screen.

Johnny, somebody told you about this? Sweet.

Johnny Nighttrain>Aries :D
 
I remember some comment about Revolution being able to be outputted on monitors awhile ago? That would would tie into this pretty well. A house with a couple of computers and a tv or two and voila, multiplayer games without split screen. Hmm... no idea how that's going to be implemented tho..
 
so you can play games on multiple screens

game boxes will tell you how many television sets are required to play a game

1 screen = actual gameplay
2nd screen = radar/map

woo!



anyway, is this even possible? i've never seen computers or anything connecting to a monitor wirelessly. it sounds expensive, and we all know nintendo does crazy insane shit that drives up costs...
 
Wario64 said:
so you can play games on multiple screens

game boxes will tell you how many television sets are required to play a game

1 screen = actual gameplay
2nd screen = radar/map

woo!



anyway, is this even possible? i've never seen computers or anything connecting to a monitor wirelessly. it sounds expensive, and we all know nintendo does crazy insane shit that drives up costs...


There are monitors that connect to computer's wirelessly (see: Smart Displays) but thats different than what is being suggested here. You would need at a minimum a receiver of some sort connected directly to each TV
 
It would require the next-gen wireless 802.11n to be done properly, it's very unlikely they'd go with shitty RF quality video-senders you can get at the moment. You'd need to buy widgets for each TV you have as well.

It's not totally out of the question, but it's a lot of effort to go to for just splitscreen gaming without the splitscreen. Can't see it myself. And signal drops in the middle of the game could be very annoying. They are better off making the hardware cheap so you have a second Revolution and wirelessly network them. Opens up a lot more options, far easier to implement, more reliable, and they make more money that way as well.

You also aren't stuck when you are playing the revolution upstairs and want to change games ;)
 
Multiple tv's. Come on. Get serious. Who would really care.

Even if it is true (which I doubt). I think about 0.05% of the folks out there would us it.


I know.

Let's just stack a tv upon another tv and pretend is a super DS!
 
This rumor seems inconsistent with previous comments that the alleged "revolution" is about the controller; that it is not some new, unheard-of technology, but something new to console interfaces; that N reps have distanced themselves from comparisons to the DS; that the Revolution will be inexpensive, etc.
 
Multiple tv's. Come on. Get serious. Who would really care.

nextgenhd3tg.jpg


The best console for players who also are TV retailers.
 
Vomiaouaf said:
nextgenhd3tg.jpg

The best console for players who also are TV retailers.

Hahahah, awesome photoshop :lol
 
trilobyte said:

Er, no ;)

If they did it, it would be done digitally by next-gen wifi. Or maybe next-gen bluetooth/UWB (ultrawide band). Although the range of them is limited.

Current wireless video solutions are hideous and can barely manage to send one stream at a decent quality, let alone the 4 or whatever you'd be aiming for with multiplayer gaming. Not that I think they'd do it anyway, too much effort and expense for too little gain.
 
cyberheater said:
Multiple tv's. Come on. Get serious. Who would really care.

Even if it is true (which I doubt). I think about 0.05% of the folks out there would us it.


I know.

Let's just stack a tv upon another tv and pretend is a super DS!

Funny how GAF thinks:

PS3: "Yes!! 2 screens! PS3 4 LIEF YO!"
Revolution: "Multiple screens? Who cares. It's a gimmick."
 
This doesn't make sense for the fact that multiple tv's means less Nintendo consoles people would need to buy from Nintendo.
 
mj1108 said:
Funny how GAF thinks:

PS3: "Yes!! 2 screens! PS3 4 LIEF YO!"
Revolution: "Multiple screens? Who cares."

You might want to actually find some cases of people getting excited over PS3 having dual screen outputs, because most people were pretty unimpressed by my memory (which is backed up by looking at the relevant threads). Lame arguments of this sort make my banning finger itchy.
 
Come on, I know some of you can think a bit more creatively than that... maybe the ability to have multiple people play old SNES game at the same time on different TVs? Have one person play Super Metroid while the other plays CV IV on another TV, all using one system? One cannot possibly think split screen multiplayer would be the onyl real use for this.

That said, I call bullcrap. It could be potentially possible by the time it comes out, since by that time 802.11n would just be coming into use (probably? maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong), but it just seems inconsistent with what we;ve been hearing. I'd be quite surprised if that were the case though.
 
trilobyte said:
This doesn't make sense for the fact that multiple tv's means less Nintendo consoles people would need to buy from Nintendo.

Or more people could buy them and then use it as the lan console.
 
If you listen to This Week in Tech podcast, the technology was discussed in the current episode.

It is called Ultra Wideband, and two competing standards are soon to be released. However, since no tvs have it built in it would still require some kind of settop box.

Pointless at this juncture.
 
Revolution Update
Revolution to be able to make Toast
by Powdered Toast Man

July 3, 2005 - At a share holders meeting today, Nintendo Co. Ltd.'s president, Saruto Itawa, revealed that the company's next generation game console, code-named Revolution, would be able to make Toast using an intuitive interface. "Creating Toast has become far too complex" Itawa said, "Now, using the Revolution, retarded non-gamers will now be able to fill their stomachs while they play (non)games". He went on to explain that this would, "add an exciting, new element to stuffing your mouth while you play games," and would, "give developers a tool to fill their stomachs while they create new game gimmi.. uh, experiences."


http://www.xsorbit1.com/users/cubee...v&action=display&fake=yes&num=34508723587234&

Fake? Hell no!
 
fortified_concept said:
I failed miserably to understand what's the use of multiple screens. Can someone explain this to me?


did you like to play all those offline console multiplayer fps in splitscreen???i didint well at least on tiny tv's.............guess this solves the problem.....
 
What kind of compromises would you have to make to the graphics to have a single Revolution powering four screens for four players?

Why not just play on-line?

This rumour doesn't sound too plausible to me.
 
jetjevons said:
What kind of compromises would you have to make to the graphics to have a single Revolution powering four screens for four players?
Well, obviously, it would have an impact on performance if the Revolution would have to render four scenes for four screens instead of one scene for one screen. But the problem here is that those images, that 'information' that goes from Revolution (transmitter) to multiple screens (receivers), can't be sent fast enough. I assume the bandwidth is not great enough to carry all of that (wireless). So the quality is crap. If it was wired, the only problem would be the Revolution processing four distinctive scenes. But the rumor says it's all wireless. Baby. Oh yeah.
 
cyberheater said:
Multiple tv's. Come on. Get serious. Who would really care.

Even if it is true (which I doubt). I think about 0.05% of the folks out there would us it.


I know.

Let's just stack a tv upon another tv and pretend is a super DS!

Uh, yeah. This would be awesome for multiplayer gaming. It's not like it wouldn't be practical. I have 3 tv sets in my house, and then two monitors. Who knows if the technology to do this is there though? Would definitely be cool.
 
Seems dodgy, first of all Nintendo always emphasises the same room philosophy, which is probably more fun and in this case bringing multiple TVs into a room would be the only way to save this.

Fancy option but not too impressive imo. If Nintendo's philosophy is to cut out everything thats unecessary, why go all out with this new wireless-tv thing? Unless its cheaper.
 
some info that might be of use...

AndoCalrissian said:
Johnny is right, I did do some research into this way back at the end of march. I did a writeup on it and sent it to Johnny as well, with the intent of putting it up on GAF eventually, but I never got around to it. Here is what I wrote...


After a bit of research and a good deal of thought, I've decided to make a post on one of the things that may be in the pipeline for Revolution, and something that I would love to see.

It goes something like this...

In early march, Johnny Nighttrain, an occasional reporter of rumors on GAF posted in this thread about a strange sounding Revolution rumor. He posted this:


I started researching the possible technology so see if it will be coming for anything, let alone video game consoles, in the near future, and how feasible it would be. Needless to say I found some interesting things.

After reading several articles, I have found that this is very possible and is coming sooner than you may think. The technology is called Ultra Wideband, and is capable of sending massive amounts of data over short distances. For more on this technology, click here and read up a bit. Additionally, a few articles I read pinpointed that this technology would start to emerge late 2005/early 2006.

I delved deeper, and found this press release from Mitsubishi. At the 2005 CES back in January, Mitsubishi had a demo set up where a video signal was sent to two different "high-end" displays: a plasma TV, and a projector. Apparently Samsung and Toshiba showcased similar technology at the show.

Many of you already know this I'm sure, but Mitsubishi is the Japanese counterpart of NEC. According to IGNCube's Nintendo Revolution FAQ NEC will be supplying the system LSI for the new console. As far as I can tell, the LSI is used to encode/decode video signals. Does anyone have more specifics on this?

Is it possible that the Revolution will transmit video wirelessly through the help of NEC/Mitsubishi? This article shows that even high definition video is possible with this technology, and that it can transmit through walls.

If DVD playback were included on the system, it would put Nintendo at the spearhead of a new home theatre technology, and it could also simplify the set up and transport of the system. For instance, if the reciever that you attached to your television had both an in and an out port, you could hook it up, and then hook up your DVD players, et al. through it.

Also, you could hook up an adapter (two or more altogether) to any TV in the house and play the console in any room, provided that the wireless controllers could send signals that far. And if you want to take your console to a friend's house for a night of LAN gaming? Unplug iy, grab your controller, and off you go, providing that your friend has a couple of TVs with adapters.

What do you think?



Nintendo packs Rev in with the standard AV cables and an AV reciever for wireless video if you so choose. Then, if you want hi-def, you have to go buy that adapter seperately. People already have to buy a cable seperately, buying an adapter would be pretty similar. And it wouldn't be hard to convince people to buy a few, considering all the money they'd be saving on multiple consoles.

Now, who really knows whats up, because I barely know the first thing about HD and wireless transfer protocol. WOW ME!
 
Pretty sure this one's true.

However, wouldn't it eat up CPU/GPU resources like a beast to render multiple 640x480 frame buffers? There's gotta be a tiler in Revolution for this; I'm sure the ATi dollars went into efficient multiple frame rendering hardware (meaning they send only what's updated in each buffer rather than the whole image. Between the low price and the specific hardware, Revolution probably won't be even in the same ballpark, performance-wise, as the 360 and PS3. I dunno. ATi's good at this sorta shit, so we'll see.

It's also gonna require the purchase of additional peripherals for each TV.
 
Bluemercury said:
did you like to play all those offline console multiplayer fps in splitscreen???i didint well at least on tiny tv's.............guess this solves the problem.....

But what kind of person would have two TVs in his/her room? Sony and Nintendo are pushing a useless feature imo. It's nice it's there though as long as it doesn't need extra hardware power.
 
They're taking the DS route in how they distribute the costs of the machine -- they're focusing more on differentiating themselves from the competition and keeping the cost per unit low.

Unlike the DS, I'm sure the Revolution will have perfectly adequate 3D hardware.
 
fortified_concept said:
Sony and Nintendo are pushing a useless feature imo.
i don't see what's useless about it.

what if you can have 2 displays side by side to make one bigger image? or have one screen dedicated to video chat. also makes LAN stuff easier to do.
 
Personally, I hate having a bar in the middle of the screen like that. It made Sonic Rush really hard to play for me on the DS, and I really dislike it all non-racing PC games.
 
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