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Why even compare this to Winter Soldier. Isn't even fair to Ant Man's first appearance.
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Why even compare this to Winter Soldier. Isn't even fair to Ant Man's first appearance.
Zen_Arcade
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His point was that a villain being over the top doesn't mean he's bad. He wasn't comparing the quality of the performance between the two. He's just saying that a villain being over the top is a pretty hypocritical criticism considering that there are plenty of over the top villains that are seen as some of the most classic villains of all time.
Joker had tons of character motivation scenes and Ledger's acting was all around in a completely different league. The difference between Yellowjacket and TDK Joker is so insanely vast on so many fields that it's laughable to even bring them up in comparison. I could cite the interrogation scene, the ferry scene, or the hospital scene with Dent for starters. Vader was imposing as hell due to ESB and his overall design is menacing.
He brought the comparisons up. Which I might add is immensely important when you're talking about a villain being over the top as yes acting quality does indeed matter in this area. People generally didn't accuse Ledger of being over the top because he did a damn good job acting.
Zen_Arcade
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They didn't accuse him of being over the top because the Joker is a character known for being over the top. So he was playing the character given to him. If anything, the only reason anyone would have mentioned that Ledger did a bad job at his role is if he WASN'T over the top in the first place.
You're obviously missing the whole point he was trying to make in the first place, so I'm just going to stop replying to you, it's not going to get anyone anywhere and so far it's felt like a waste of time.
Mighty Chin
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Corey Stoll, he's quite a good actor.
Here's trolling. Watching the movie, not liking the movie, posting about not liking the movie, waiting for other opinions on said movie, then responding only to what you've found wrong
Oh look here you are trumpeting Ledger. What motivation did he have. Was there a deep psychological reason why he did what he did? I guess he just wanted to see the world burn!
I don't think he was wearing black leather in that scene to indicate he was the villain. Or if it's intended as symbolism, it's minor compared to the actual reason. MOVIE SPOILERS:
He was wearing black leather with gloves in that scene because he's sneaking into Hank Pym's house to kill him. Didn't Ant Man wear black earlier in the movie, because he was sneaking into Hank Pym's house to steal something? It's because it's hard to see at night, and the gloves were so neither of them left fingerprints, not just to highlight that they're villain(s).
Enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would.
By far the funniest marvel movie to date....seems like they are getting funnier and funnier.
Overall, really flowed.
In order:
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
The Avengers
Iron Man
Guardians of the Galaxy
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Ant-Man
The Incredible Hulk
Captain America
Iron Man 3
Thor: The Dark World
Thor
Iron Man 2
By far the funniest marvel movie to date....seems like they are getting funnier and funnier.
Overall, really flowed.
In order:
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
The Avengers
Iron Man
Guardians of the Galaxy
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Ant-Man
The Incredible Hulk
Captain America
Iron Man 3
Thor: The Dark World
Thor
Iron Man 2
I got to ask, though, wasn't that the point of the Joker in TDK? He didn't really operate on any logic or reasoning and he's the antithesis of Batman. It's said as much in the interrogation scene where he says that Batman completes him. The characterization or portrayal of the Joker in that movie isn't done poorly or without reason, it gets tied into the whole thing thematically or whatever.
I dunno. I didn't have an issue with the villain here either, but that's just because I've given up on them and expect ziltch from the villains in the series.
The outfit looked less like
assassin equipment, which seems kinda weird that he would even need as he could have just used the shrinking tech like he did earlier in the film, and something closer to what you would find in a fashion show. It's possible that was a poor choice on the part of the costume designer, you could also argue that he had a limited wardrobe
TheWorthyEdge
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I'm serious when I say this too and I really don't want to simply to sound like a broken record, but I think it may be #1 or tied with Guardians. The action in Antman is superior (by a mile) to that of guardians and its villain in my opinion was better. It was just as funny as Guardians with the same level of charm and heart through out the movie and the characters (albeit Evangeline Lily's for the first half who acted personalitywise like a damn 7 year not getting her cotton candy at a carnival) were just as lovable, especially Lang, Pym, and Peña's character. The action scenes when he gets small size is the best stuff marvels done. Yes, better than TWS. When he first gets small is my favorite scene of any Marvel movie. EVER. There's so many parts that just surprised me but still felt true to being Antman. Honestly writing this...makes me realize how great this film is. It's like Guardians, where its so different from a normal Marvel movie. It's phenomenal in that regards without making it seem to forced into the universe.
1.Guardians/Antman
2. TWS
3. Age of Ultron
Agree with it being the funnies Marvel movie. It also may very well have the biggest heart too. And damn, Rudd's charm were off the charts. I did get some Brian Fantana vibes as well ;D
1.Guardians/Antman
2. TWS
3. Age of Ultron
Agree with it being the funnies Marvel movie. It also may very well have the biggest heart too. And damn, Rudd's charm were off the charts. I did get some Brian Fantana vibes as well ;D
2002whitegt
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Enjoyed it. Everyone in the cast was great, visuals were awesome, didn't feel like a setup to another movie. It was fun, and Michael Peña was stealing every scene he was in.
The action scenes really did a great job at showing how cool and super his powers were. Easily the movie is one of Marvel's best. Top 2 or 3 imo.
The action scenes really did a great job at showing how cool and super his powers were. Easily the movie is one of Marvel's best. Top 2 or 3 imo.
Mighty Chin
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He completes him? Why? Do we know? How did he get those scars? Did we get a back story as to why he feels such a kinship to Bats? Or is it just there?
sti4thewin
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It's crazy to think of how good cgi has gotten in the past decade. Really getting to the point to where its all seamless. So excited for the future !
TheWorthyEdge
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Also. This, so much.
2002whitegt
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It was impressive, no uncanny valley there.
It works in that regard though. In the end, it didn't matter which story about the scars were true, or why he's suddenly attacking Gotham now. He represents chaos and Batman is the law, and the movie is really about how these lawmen struggle against this seemingly uncontrollable force.
Agreed. There isn't some pre-determined checklist for "what makes a good villain". Sometimes, they just need to work in the context of the film they're in.
Red_taiyaki
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Just got back from the movie a little under a hour ago. Really enjoyed the cast and was quite refreshing watching another Marvel origin story, albeit on a smaller scale. Easily the best Marvel film this year. Can't wait to for phase 3!
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JigglesBunny
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bananafactory
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Just saw it. Loved it. Felt very unique yet still felt like it wasn't out of place in the MCU. This is one of the few Marvel films that I felt ended too soon. I wanted to spend more time with these characters and this world and the ants. I wanted to see Scott fighting more people. Guess I'll have to wait until Civil War, sigh.
But yeah, this is easily up there with the top Marvel films for me, probably just below GOTG and Cap 2, and side by side with Iron Man 1
But yeah, this is easily up there with the top Marvel films for me, probably just below GOTG and Cap 2, and side by side with Iron Man 1
Big Baybee
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Planned to see this tonight or tomorrow but my entire family is sick. So maybe a Monday morning showing. Dat wait!
Good points, though conveniently (PLOT SPOILER)
he's started going crazy by that point, so he could be acting irrationally and choosing whatever break-in clothing was on hand
On that note, did they ever explain how (PLOT SPOILER)
Hank's brain was affected, or not affected, or whatever he was talking about when he said the suit took a toll on him
Nope.
Coffee Dog
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Just got back from my showing. Good ass movie. Really liked rudd as Scott.
Edit: as far as the villain goes, I thought he was great and easily one of the better MCU villains. He was basically just a huge fucking crazy asshole who loved being a crazy asshole and frankly that's all you need for a character who is trying to make
. I mean, I'm going to remember him and I enjoyed when he was onscreen, and that's what a movie like this needed.
Edit: as far as the villain goes, I thought he was great and easily one of the better MCU villains. He was basically just a huge fucking crazy asshole who loved being a crazy asshole and frankly that's all you need for a character who is trying to make
an evil antman army
Someone was nice enough to let me go.
What a wonderful movie. Great escape from my life right now. Wright/Cornish shine through.
Well, there's two thoughts on that.
First, it's possible that
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What a wonderful movie. Great escape from my life right now. Wright/Cornish shine through.
Well, there's two thoughts on that.
First, it's possible that
Hank would have ended up like Cross
it seemed like he refused to be Ant Man after Janet got tiny
Yes, they did.
There's a very brief scene in which Pym mentions the helmet and brain chemistry, and another one later on when Hope mentions that the Yellow jacket particles were messing with Cross's head.
Callibretto
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I'm not sure how Daren Cross got
crazy in the first place. Has he worn the yellow jacket suit before? Although it make sense he had wore it before aince he didn't seem like he had problem being that small unlike Lang who need his training montage. But He's already pretty damn evil even before the shrink experiment is successful. He killed that dude at the beginning of film without remorse, so I'm not sure YellowJacket had anything to do with him turning crazy/evil
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That doesn't explain why Pym can't use the suit as he did have the helmet seemingly all along. There has to be some sort of unexplained side-effect that the movie didn't bother going into.
That's a straight plot hole but
you can just assume he's been using the suit prior to the movie
Does that mean
Hank wasn't wearing the helmet in his old Ant Man days then? If he was wearing the helmet, wouldn't he have been fine? He used the toll it took as justification for why he can't wear the suit now, even though he wants to.
Also, question about a different scene:
What were those tiny things the ants were given? Someone said a certain species of ants could conduct electricity, but then when they actually shorted out the servers, it looked like it was because they all had some tiny copper ball levitating over their heads for lightning to blast to. I seem to recall Ant Man giving this equipment to the ants earlier in the movie.
ratcliffja
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At least they didn't mention the Thanos-potato after credits teaser.Some spoilers are up on Wikipedia-be warned
Some spoilers are up on Wikipedia-be warned
Man, those Marvel Movies. Always only setting up the next one.
Just got back. Pretty enjoyable film. It's definitely a much smaller film than the typical Marvel blockbuster. It's really funny, the characters were good, and it did a good job of introducing the Ant-man character to audiences. I do feel it's a pretty forgettable film though. There's really nothing super memorable about it, and on a whole it has the vibe of a fun superhero themed action comedy for family audiences. There's nothing wrong with that, but just have the right expectations.
I could feel a lot of Edgar Wright's vibe in how the film is structured, but it's clearly a Marvel (TM) movie through and through as far as cinematography and narrative tone goes. Props to Peyton Reed where it's deserved though, even for a "work for hire" director or whatever you want to call it, he managed to put together the film and deliver it in less than a year, and it entertains. So he can probably hold his head up high for this one. Action sequences were among the better Marvel offerings so far. Not quite Winter Soldier by any stretch of the imagination, but creative sequences which are framed well and not confusing to watch.
Speaking of "fun for the whole family".... watching a film in a packed theater in the city during the early afternoon on a public holiday = ROFLMAO. Fucking kids everywhere. Kids who can't sit still. Kids who need to go to the bathroom twice throughout the length of the film. Arrgghhhhhhhh. FML.
I could feel a lot of Edgar Wright's vibe in how the film is structured, but it's clearly a Marvel (TM) movie through and through as far as cinematography and narrative tone goes. Props to Peyton Reed where it's deserved though, even for a "work for hire" director or whatever you want to call it, he managed to put together the film and deliver it in less than a year, and it entertains. So he can probably hold his head up high for this one. Action sequences were among the better Marvel offerings so far. Not quite Winter Soldier by any stretch of the imagination, but creative sequences which are framed well and not confusing to watch.
Speaking of "fun for the whole family".... watching a film in a packed theater in the city during the early afternoon on a public holiday = ROFLMAO. Fucking kids everywhere. Kids who can't sit still. Kids who need to go to the bathroom twice throughout the length of the film. Arrgghhhhhhhh. FML.
Glad to see it still delivers on fun.
Still a damn shame he was forced to leave the project.
He would have directed the shit out of it...can only imagine how good the editing would have been too.
Messofanego
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"Pretty forgettable film" ok, I'll save my money to check it out later. Want to see Song of the Sea instead. Good to hear, though.
peanutbutterlatte
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My brother refuses to go see with this me, because, and I quote "Batman... Spider-Man... Ant-Man? Nah man."
MarkMclovin
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Thanks.
WadiumArcadium
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That's really encouraging to hear. I still think Iron-Man's the best MCU origin film. It's one of the main MCU films I go back to regularly.
Where would you rank it against Avengers 2? Since that one one kinda matches some parts of your description as well
I think it's the second-best Marvel film after Guardians. If you want forgettable, you go for something like Winter Soldier or Thor 2. Even Avengers 2, really. This one's way more creative and well-done.
Shuggananas
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It has better pacing and better humor than avengers 2 imo
I'd say it's better but less "epic", I mean it doesn't have the fucking vision
Callibretto
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I think I still like Avengers 2 more. But they're totally different kind of film. Depending on my mood, I can see I want to rewatch Ant-Man more than Age of Ultron.
peanutbutterlatte
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Where the devil is the Avengers 2 home release date by the way?
I really loved it. As others have said it felt fresh and unique. Age of Ultron felt repetitive and forced to me, but this just felt, I don't know, natural. Paul Rudd is just an outstanding casting. Scott Lang is probably my favorite MCU character. It really didn't feel like an MCU movie to me, and I thought that was a great thing. I really, really hope another Ant-Man movie is made, whether it's a sequel or prequel with Hank Pym I don't care. I just want more.
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