Oh, I can live very well with 'less epic'. If it's more focused and entertaining - say similar to GOTG - then I might watch it in the cinema. Actually planned to skip this (which would be my first skipped Marvel movie in years) and wait for the BluRay or iTunes release.
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Oh, I can live very well with 'less epic'. If it's more focused and entertaining - say similar to GOTG - then I might watch it in the cinema. Actually planned to skip this (which would be my first skipped Marvel movie in years) and wait for the BluRay or iTunes release.
Avengers 2 is a buffet spread with some good selections and a lot of average filler stuff on the spread, but you're forced to take a bit of everything and stuff yourself beyond the point of enjoyment.
Ant-Man is an above average cafe bunch which isn't very filling, doesn't have the best quality ingredients, but tasty enough that it can be a pretty pleasant time to spend with a friend. The meal isn't distracting or offensive in any way, but it also doesn't draw much attention to itself.
Messofanego
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Noted!
Mini-review: I saw it in non-IMAX 3D tonight. It was pretty enjoyable, normal Marvel fare I think. I might have actually had more fun than in the latest Avengers movie.
I didn't mind Evangeline Lilly in the Hobbit movie(s), but her character felt pretty shoehorned in this time around. One scene where she was really sad, I felt like it was kind of weird and forced...and again, oddly, I liked her sad scene in the Hobbit movie better.
Apparently Hank Pym was reworked to be a much more likable character than what I've heard the comics have (COMIC SPOILER:
) I liked the rework. The villain wasn't particularly deep, but definitely came across as sufficiently deranged when needed.
Avenger cameo spoiler:
I liked that there was the Stan Lee cameo AND mid-credits AND post-credits scenes. And I FINALLY got to see the Star Wars teaser trailer, in 3D no less. Speaking of 3D, I don't usually see 3D but the time slot was more convenient for me, and I was pleasantly surprised. The image was super clear even in non-IMAX, and I didn't notice anything being excessively dark. The 3D also made some of the perspective scenes pretty neat. Overall the camerawork and props were very clean and I liked that.
Ant Man himself was decent / so-so to me, but I liked his pal Luis as a scene-stealer. Pretty funny comic relief, especially the stories he narrated. Plus their hacker pal had an awesome accent.
Overall I'd say 7/10, maybe 8/10 because even my not-as-nerdy friend thought it was funny and enjoyable.
I didn't mind Evangeline Lilly in the Hobbit movie(s), but her character felt pretty shoehorned in this time around. One scene where she was really sad, I felt like it was kind of weird and forced...and again, oddly, I liked her sad scene in the Hobbit movie better.
Apparently Hank Pym was reworked to be a much more likable character than what I've heard the comics have (COMIC SPOILER:
He accidentally invents a couple of genocidal robots AND beats his wife in the comics, according to a friend of mine.
Avenger cameo spoiler:
Falcon shows up and has a fight, and that's cool and all, but it felt funny for ONLY Falcon to be there. He was talking on the radio, but the person on the other end was never shown, and no help showed up. Or like, "We wanted an Avenger fight scene, but anyone besides Falcon would have been way too expensive."
I liked that there was the Stan Lee cameo AND mid-credits AND post-credits scenes. And I FINALLY got to see the Star Wars teaser trailer, in 3D no less. Speaking of 3D, I don't usually see 3D but the time slot was more convenient for me, and I was pleasantly surprised. The image was super clear even in non-IMAX, and I didn't notice anything being excessively dark. The 3D also made some of the perspective scenes pretty neat. Overall the camerawork and props were very clean and I liked that.
Ant Man himself was decent / so-so to me, but I liked his pal Luis as a scene-stealer. Pretty funny comic relief, especially the stories he narrated. Plus their hacker pal had an awesome accent.
Overall I'd say 7/10, maybe 8/10 because even my not-as-nerdy friend thought it was funny and enjoyable.
It's pretty well paced, the action is really well choreographed and shot, especially the melee stuff, the Winter Soldier is a cool character, Falcon is a cool character.
It's interesting how the general audience reception so far has been... overall positive all things considered. I mean, that's usually par for the course with Marvel but it never takes long until I usually see the "GAF effect" of posts shortly after release having a lot of negative things to say about the movie and skewering the perception a bit. It felt like that happened a lot with other mid-road movies like IM3 and Ultron. With Ant-Man it doesn't feel like that has really happened so far from what I'm seeing, especially considering all the odds were stacked against it and people were frustrated about losing Edgar Wright.
One thing seems to be for sure - Peyton Reed must have done a much better job saving this movie (of a C-Lister no less) than Alan Taylor did to Thor 2.
One thing seems to be for sure - Peyton Reed must have done a much better job saving this movie (of a C-Lister no less) than Alan Taylor did to Thor 2.
peanutbutterlatte
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You could argue people went in with reasonably low expectations after the Wright debacle, compared to Avengers 2 where their hype was set to maximum.
Funny story about this, ANT-MAN SPOILERS:
In the post-credits scene, I was like, "Who's the guy with long hair and metal wrists? Why does he have metal wrists? Why does Captain America have to convince him? How would Ant-Man help?
My not-so-nerdy friend tried googling a little bit but couldn't figure out who it was. Neither of us could remember. I eventually googled and found out it was someone named Bucky, but until I read these posts I didn't remember he was actually THE winter soldier.
My not-so-nerdy friend tried googling a little bit but couldn't figure out who it was. Neither of us could remember. I eventually googled and found out it was someone named Bucky, but until I read these posts I didn't remember he was actually THE winter soldier.
I don't know if that says much for how memorable Winter Soldier was for either of us (I'm not positive they saw it but there's a good chance, and I definitely did since I vaguely remembered the ship fight), but yeah.
peanutbutterlatte
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It means you weren't paying attention! C'mon man that was like the final third of the film.
Thanks. Will think about this again, seems like a fun little evening flick.
It's pretty cool since it feels more like a espionage thriller than a regular Marvel movie to me. Lots of 'mysterious' events taking place and very good pacing since Cap has to move almost all the time. Excited to see what the Russos will cook up for Cap 3 + Avengers
I think all that really says is that it's kinda pointless to have a fan-nod teaser at the end of a film which has nothing to do with the film itself at all. Other than the small minority of fans who expect it and follow all the Marvel movies religiously and want to build connections, lots of people will just go "huh?".
That movie was a year ago though, and I've probably seen a whole bunch of movies since then. I agree about Thor 2 being personally forgettable too.
peanutbutterlatte
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Those people are probably the ones that gets up soon as the credits start rolling so it isn't really an issue.
Prestige Capo
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I liked this movie way more than I thought I would. I was thoroughly entertained, it was the perfect blend of action and comedy for me.
I'll probably watch it a 2nd time in theaters, but as of right now it's in my top 3 MCU films along with Guardians and Winter Soldier.
I'll probably watch it a 2nd time in theaters, but as of right now it's in my top 3 MCU films along with Guardians and Winter Soldier.
Boss Doggie
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That trippy scene at the end.
Anyway really enjoyed this film. It reminds me of Iron Man in some ways, with some stuff better than IM and some IM being better. Like the villain being better here than in IM.
With that said Pym's conflict with Hope is kinda... rushed.
Also the fight scenes are kinda crap but I do like the shrinking action.
Really great film that doesn't suffer pacing problems a lot of Marvel movies have as well as character development. There's also great action.
Anyway really enjoyed this film. It reminds me of Iron Man in some ways, with some stuff better than IM and some IM being better. Like the villain being better here than in IM.
With that said Pym's conflict with Hope is kinda... rushed.
Also the fight scenes are kinda crap but I do like the shrinking action.
Really great film that doesn't suffer pacing problems a lot of Marvel movies have as well as character development. There's also great action.
Uh...really?
Hayley Atwell, Michael Douglas, and John Slattery?
lol, when Pym mentions something about
dropping cities out of the sky
But the only people who are staying for these scenes are the fans expecting them anyway.
Messofanego
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So, I'm guessing there's nothing about beating the woman up storyline? Since no one has mentioned that aspect of Ant Man Hank Pym. Kevin Feige probably wants these movies to stay family friendly and not have any chance of controversy.
No, but look. I mean its Hank Pym did a lot of things in the comics and hes a super cool character. And the spin we have on him played by Michael Douglas is even more unique and more different, and I would say that some of the spirit of that plays into his temperament in the film, plays into his gruffness in the film. It certainly does not, in this movie, go to spousal abuse. (laughs)
No, but look. I mean its Hank Pym did a lot of things in the comics and hes a super cool character. And the spin we have on him played by Michael Douglas is even more unique and more different, and I would say that some of the spirit of that plays into his temperament in the film, plays into his gruffness in the film. It certainly does not, in this movie, go to spousal abuse. (laughs)
clay_ghost
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Love the movie 
Better than AOU for me .
Better than AOU for me .Shuggananas
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Well adaptations aren't a 1:1 copy of source material
No mention of Pym beating his wife at all, if anything their past relationship seemed really good
No mention of Pym beating his wife at all, if anything their past relationship seemed really good
No, this isn't wife beater Pym. Instead it's the pretty typical bitter cynical old-Pym who is afraid of Stark and the government taking advantage of "his tech" and also angry at himself over [spoilers] and so it makes him a bad father, but it's a character flaw which is "justified" because deep down he really cares about Hope. It's the safe
Pai Pai Master
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Hank hitting Janet is basically a forgotten relic in the books these days. It was never intended to be as harsh as the artist depicted and it was while Hank was suffering a nervous breakdown. While their relationship was eventually doomed, its not the kind of thing Marvel would ever want to depict in the MCU. It's just not a part of his character anymore.
dragonyeuw
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- Well-paced
- great fight choreography
- One of the better villains to come along in some time
- Major events take place with implications for the greater MCU
- Cap is established as a genuine bad-ass and why the other Avengers defer to him
- Plot is a social commentary on real-life issues concerning personal liberties and freedoms
Boss Doggie
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I still laugh at the "It's particles talking, not you!"
orthodoxy1095
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I've always found the idea of Hank Pym as a "wife beater," to be something of an insult to the idea of spousal abuse which is, as far as I know, a systematic pattern of violence. Other characters have hit their partners/spouse (like Peter and MJ), but they haven't had years of people harping on them as "wife beaters."
On the other hand, Pym never shyed away from what he did. Never tried to pretend it didn't happen, and as far as I remember, never tried blame it on someone else. To me he always seemed like one of the more self aware of his flaws.
On the other hand, Pym never shyed away from what he did. Never tried to pretend it didn't happen, and as far as I remember, never tried blame it on someone else. To me he always seemed like one of the more self aware of his flaws.
I was watching the Chris Stuckmann review of it and he said he normally doesn't care for 3D, but he thought it added a ton to this movie. Anyone else feel the same?
I watch all movies in 3D when given the option anyway (for better and for worse), but was just curious what you guys thought...
https://youtu.be/DObp5Y9iObw
I watch all movies in 3D when given the option anyway (for better and for worse), but was just curious what you guys thought...
https://youtu.be/DObp5Y9iObw
Glass Rebel
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people are still acting like pym is mayweather or something smh
Pai Pai Master
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Seems like the perfect movie for 3D IMO with the shrunken perspectives and special camera work and such. Someone whose actually seen it can probably back me up, but I'm excited for the imax 3d showing on sunday
Not really. It's just ALL people remember about him.
orthodoxy1095
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It's a shame that's all the Pym character gets remembered for. Still amongst my favorite things to get created by Lee, Lieber and Kirby.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Agreed. No other film kid character is coming to mind that I would argue is better.
Cassie made for a sweet character
I saw 3d last night and really liked it. Normally i don't (the theater was only showing the 3d option)
IdreamofHIME
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Excellent. Just real top notch.
When Marvel twists the formula they get great results...like this heist movie, Guardians bandits for hire and Winter Soldiers espionage.
Douglas is the real star, he owns all scenes he's in. Fully. Loved the flash back too, great SFX there. Makes Mr wish for a wall street srqirl set in the 80s with that CGI.
Comedy was right on the button, the movie knows its premise is nonsense and runs with it. Fun superheroes! Yay!
Mini Antman is the best though. Some really clever and thrilling shenanigans in just normal every day places. Good imagination and use of the source. The bathtub escape was genuinely thrilling.
My only criticism would be Lilly being as bland as she was in LOST and Rudd kind of getting lost in some scenes when against Douglas. He's a great every man, but he lacks charisma.
Good villain though, he went crazy a bit fast but him being woven into the story so much made us hate and pity him much note than other Marvel baddies.
Top tier Marvel for me.
When Marvel twists the formula they get great results...like this heist movie, Guardians bandits for hire and Winter Soldiers espionage.
Douglas is the real star, he owns all scenes he's in. Fully. Loved the flash back too, great SFX there. Makes Mr wish for a wall street srqirl set in the 80s with that CGI.
Comedy was right on the button, the movie knows its premise is nonsense and runs with it. Fun superheroes! Yay!
Mini Antman is the best though. Some really clever and thrilling shenanigans in just normal every day places. Good imagination and use of the source. The bathtub escape was genuinely thrilling.
My only criticism would be Lilly being as bland as she was in LOST and Rudd kind of getting lost in some scenes when against Douglas. He's a great every man, but he lacks charisma.
Good villain though, he went crazy a bit fast but him being woven into the story so much made us hate and pity him much note than other Marvel baddies.
Top tier Marvel for me.
Razgriz-Specter
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Movie was definitely in my top 3 of the MCU.
Shuggananas
Banned
I'll admit the "is that you dad ?" scene did something to me
orthodoxy1095
Banned
I'd definitely put it in my Top 5. Always curious, what are your Top 3 in this case now?
Haloid1177
Banned
The friend I saw it with did the same thing. I think a lot of people are gonna have that problem.
Papacheeks
Banned
Jesus! The guy hit's his wife, once....ONCE and everyone calls him a wife beater.
Read the comics.
newdayrocks
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Saw it last night with my 11-year-old son, who laughed almost the entire time. It's in my Top 3 Marvel movies, too, alongside GoG and Winter Soldier.
Nostremitus
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I logged on the make the bolded statement. I just got home from seeing it. It's one of the best Marvel movies so far. The second post credits scene made me happy for more than one reason.
superdeluxe
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So is it safe this is not the epic failure that some predicted, at least in regards to the movie?
clay_ghost
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Its actually quite good and will rank it as my top 5 after A1 , CAP2, GOTG and IM1.
Not at all, most people seem to like it. I love it and would put it in my top 3 of MCU movies. It's great.
IdreamofHIME
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Failure for a movie is based on box office, not critical acclaim. Sadly.
Antman has a big baddie to beat this weekend in N America...though he should nail in WW.
Pai Pai Master
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So good to hear. This movie definitely had a troubled past but if sounds like Marvel and the creative team were able to salvage the good work Wright had already done and still make a good movie.
Nostremitus
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God I hope so, this movie not doing well would be criminal.
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