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[Discotheque]

Clearly the best parts are from Wright and the worst ones are from Reed, how could be otherwise?

settle down big boy.

i'm not quite sure that i said that. but i'm not really interested in the disney marvel universe or peyton reed and i like edgar wright movies...so i follow that thread. if some of his work is indeed intact then i'm interested in checking it out. simple as that.

 

[robotrock]

We might be entering the "Marvel is bad" phase of public perception. Pixar went through this. We'll see!

When did Pixar go through it? The Cars 2/Brave/Monsters University era?

 

[Entryhazard]

When did Pixar go through it? The Cars 2/Brave/Monsters University era?

Don't forget Planes though I understand you'd want to

 

[Nudull]

Seemed critics were waiting for the right Marvel movie to be just okay-ish enough to bring out the salt.

Green Goblin was right.

 

[tomtom94]

Don't forget Planes though I understand you'd want to

Planes wasn't Pixar.

 

[DeathyBoy]

When did Pixar go through it? The Cars 2/Brave/Monsters University era?

Bugs Life got flack for not being Toy Story from some quarters, and there's a crazy section of the internet with a made hate-on for Cars. Like full on 'fuck Pixar' anger. To this day it stuns me that people got that angry over a film about talking cars

Seemed critics were waiting for the right Marvel movie to be just okay-ish enough to bring out the salt.

Green Goblin was right.

And yet Thor 2 gets a pass, despite being absolutely dreadful.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Bugs Life got flack for not being Toy Story from some quarters, and there's a crazy section of the internet with a made hate-on for Cars. Like full on 'fuck Pixar' anger. To this day it stuns me that people got that angry over a film about talking cars

I am one of the few that loves A Bug's Life.

 

[Blader]

Man, Thor: The Dark World.

I kind of enjoyed that movie but it still boggles the brain that Alan Taylor would go from making that movie to making Terminator Genisys. I mean... what the fuck happened there?

It made me realize that maybe Marvel's way of executive meddling is actually making bad directors look better rather than the other way around.

I think the throughline from Thor 2 to Terminator is that Alan Taylor should not be making blockbusters.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Remember when Alan Taylor was saying how he didn't get to do Thor 2 the way he wanted? What if that's because his vision was worse than the final product?

Now that's something to think about.

 

[CloudWolf]

I dunno, reviews are weird, they were eh about Jurassic and Ultron and those two have made massive coin. I think Furious 7 did get the better reviews.

Ìt's almost as if marketing is more important than reviews for the commercial success of movies.

And yet Thor 2 gets a pass, despite being absolutely dreadful.

Thor 1 and 2 are the worst kind of movies IMO. If they were dreadful it would be okay, because at least you'd remember them for being awful. No, they are just really, really forgettable.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

I think the throughline from Thor 2 to Terminator is that Alan Taylor should not be making blockbusters.

Remember when Alan Taylor was saying how he didn't get to do Thor 2 the way he wanted? What if that's because his vision was worse than the final product?

Now that's something to think about.

Taylor wasn't the first director for Thor though, I wonder how much groundwork was laid before he came on. And we heard about Malekith scenes getting cut in favor of Loki, but we never really saw any confirmation of that actually happening and whether or not it was Taylor's or Feige's call.

I don't hate Thor 2 like a lot of people seem to but yeah, between that and Terminator maybe Taylor should have stuck to Game of Thrones.

 

[DeathyBoy]

I am one of the few that loves A Bug's Life.

I don't think Pixar's made a bad film myself. A Bug's Life was funny, sweet, and a nice contrast to how edgy (in animated terms) Ants was.

 

[tomtom94]

Taylor wasn't the first director for Thor though, I wonder how much groundwork was laid before he came on. And we heard about Malekith scenes getting cut in favor of Loki, but we never really saw any confirmation of that actually happening and whether or not it was Taylor's or Feige's call.

I don't hate Thor 2 like a lot of people seem to but yeah, between that and Terminator maybe Taylor should have stuck to Game of Thrones.

Way down the line I'd be interested in an alternate cut of Dark World, but I don't think Taylor is cut out for feature-length work. (though admittedly Genisys was screwed over by the marketing team)

 

[DeathyBoy]

Taylor wasn't the first director for Thor though, I wonder how much groundwork was laid before he came on. And we heard about Malekith scenes getting cut in favor of Loki, but we never really saw any confirmation of that actually happening and whether or not it was Taylor's or Feige's call.

I don't hate Thor 2 like a lot of people seem to but yeah, between that and Terminator maybe Taylor should have stuck to Game of Thrones.

Taylor confirmed that Marvel reshot the opening without him, all that nonsense about Odin hating Dark Elves because they were dark. And every interview CE gave prior to the film talked about him treating Malekith like one of the old universal horror characters - none of which is in the film. Throw in the Loki stuff (Tom H is great, but Loki barely fits into this story at all) and... I think Thor's biggest problem is they have no guiding hand ala the Russo's involved.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

So its a stinker? Or is it Wright Fanboys gonna hate?

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

So its a stinker? Or is it Wright Fanboys gonna hate?

Seems to be on par with the more middling marvel movies going by the reviews.

I just want it to at least be better than ultron because I want to wash the bad taste of that out of my mouth.

 

[DeathyBoy]

So its a stinker? Or is it Wright Fanboys gonna hate?

I think Wright would've made a great fucking film, but prior to Iron Man? Favreau's experience making a blockbuster was Zathura, one of the rare films I genuinely hate. And his Iron Man was almost note perfect. I don't think Ant-Man's going to be as interesting as Wright would've made it, and I think them not hiring Reed for the other films was pretty telling, but pre-judging a film about Ant-Man seems cruel given few people have ever written the comic-book character worth a shit.

They could walk over the bar that Ant-Man has already set and it'd be a triumphant adaptation.

 

[Penguin]

Some... odd theories in here

You can still have a solid and fun movie (and it is) and notice/feel Wright's absence.

Again, the final film is totally worth seeing, but it's one of those... imagine what could have been scenarios since so high profile.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

I don't think there's been a Marvel movie I've actively disliked yet. Found Thor 2 a little dull but there were some great moments, so not a complete waste of a movie.


Haven't watched Iron Man 2 or The Incredible Hulk though, and have no plans to, so there is that.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

I just hope they recognize the Pym/Ultron relationship in some way. That Ultrons first body after the escaped from Avengers Tower was build by Pym or something like this.

 

[Neoxon]

It's probably gonna settle in the mid-to-high 60's at this rate. Still Fresh, but not by a whole lot.

 

[Blader]

Taylor wasn't the first director for Thor though, I wonder how much groundwork was laid before he came on. And we heard about Malekith scenes getting cut in favor of Loki, but we never really saw any confirmation of that actually happening and whether or not it was Taylor's or Feige's call.

I don't hate Thor 2 like a lot of people seem to but yeah, between that and Terminator maybe Taylor should have stuck to Game of Thrones.

I know there was a lot of Marvel interference on that movie in post -- and kinda sounds like way more than the usual amount too -- but there are a lot of basic problems I have with it, from the way the actors are being directed to ugly shot compositions, that I can't see how they could be blamed on anyone but the actual director.

I feel like Terminator would've been the ultimate way to either validate Taylor as a good director completely hamstrung by Marvel or as a mediocre one who just maybe isn't cut out for this (yet?) regardless of what Marvel did/didn't do on Thor. Seems like things swung towards the latter.

I just hope they recognize the Pym/Ultron relationship in some way. That Ultrons first body after the escaped from Avengers Tower was build by Pym or something like this.

Ultron's first body was built by Tony; it was an Iron Legion robot.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Ultron's first body was built by Tony; it was an Iron Legion robot.

I said after he escaped Avengers Tower There was a body who was in the Hydra base.

 

[tomtom94]

Some... odd theories in here

You can still have a solid and fun movie (and it is) and notice/feel Wright's absence.

Again, the final film is totally worth seeing, but it's one of those... imagine what could have been scenarios since so high profile.

But that's ridiculous, you can't judge a movie by what another director could have hypothetically done with the material.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Some... odd theories in here

You can still have a solid and fun movie (and it is) and notice/feel Wright's absence.

Again, the final film is totally worth seeing, but it's one of those... imagine what could have been scenarios since so high profile.

What if Wrights Ant Man was shit?

 

[NotLiquid]

I don't think there's been a Marvel movie I've actively disliked yet. Found Thor 2 a little dull but there were some great moments, so not a complete waste of a movie.


Haven't watched Iron Man 2 or The Incredible Hulk though, and have no plans to, so there is that.

Iron Man 2 is relatively enjoyable "in the moment" but by the end of it you kind of realize that nothing really happened at all other than franchise maintenance. I think they didn't really realize what they were sitting on after the impact of Iron Man so they hurriedly put together a movie without knowing how to optimally uphold the cinematic universe. Iron Man 2 is only a movie to watch if you enjoy the characters, and Tony is still enjoyable (plus Don Cheadle makes for a better Rhodey).

The Incredible Hulk is on the lower end of things. Not bad but unremarkable.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

What if Wrights Ant Man was shit?

We will seriously never know, so I don't know why it warrants more than a mention or two in actual reviews of the final product.

 

[krae_man]

Found a mini billboard on my way to work today:

 

[GAMEPROFF]

We will seriously never know, so I don't know why it warrants more than a mention or two in actual reviews of the final product.

You are right. I just fucking hate how all the time people keep up bringing up Wright. Everyone decided months ago that this movie will be shitty.

 

[The Technomancer]

Iron Man 2 is relatively enjoyable "in the moment" but by the end of it you kind of realize that nothing really happened at all other than franchise maintenance. I think they didn't really realize what they were sitting on after the impact of Iron Man so they hurriedly put together a movie without knowing how to optimally uphold the cinematic universe. Iron Man 2 is only a movie to watch if you enjoy the characters, and Tony is still enjoyable (plus Don Cheadle makes for a better Rhodey).

The Incredible Hulk is on the lower end of things. Not bad but unremarkable.

I almost disagree, Iron Man 2 actually does some functional if unexciting character exploration and even a bit of development, the problem is that the middle stretch is completely bogged down by the burgeoning attempt to figure out how the MCU stuff would work. The beginning and the end are, dare I say it, good

 

[DeathyBoy]

I almost disagree, Iron Man 2 actually does some functional if unexciting character exploration and even a bit of development, the problem is that the middle stretch is completely bogged down by the burgeoning attempt to figure out how the MCU stuff would work. The beginning and the end are, dare I say it, good

It's a weird film.

And even stranger given Favreau and co, by all accounts, made shit up as they went along with the original. They made a great film... and Marvel micromanaged the fuck out of the sequel. Lovely gesture by Marvel Studios to stop Favreau having too much power...

 

[Entryhazard]

So this is the Tropical Freeze of movies.

"It could have been Metroid Prime 4!"

 

[Penguin]

But that's ridiculous, you can't judge a movie by what another director could have hypothetically done with the material.

What if Wrights Ant Man was shit?

It's what I like to call the "Idealized Perfect Product" in which people imagine the best case scenario for a final product they will never see.

And to be fair, there's a visual language that Wright would have bought to this film that I think most directors lack.

 

[Blader]

I said after he escaped Avengers Tower There was a body who was in the Hydra base.

Which was built by Hydra? I don't think there's any room for Pym involvement, and frankly I think there are enough cooks in the Ultron origin story kitchen as is.

It's a weird film.

And even stranger given Favreau and co, by all accounts, made shit up as they went along with the original. They made a great film... and Marvel micromanaged the fuck out of the sequel. Lovely gesture by Marvel Studios to stop Favreau having too much power...

It makes sense -- Iron Man was their first outing, they had no experience as an independent movie studio, and it's not like there were lofty expectations for the film either, which lends itself to a lot of freedom. They had no idea it was going to be the success that it was, and when they saw they had a huge hit on their hands, of course they're going to become very protective about how to move forward.

 

[Loomba]

Found a mini billboard on my way to work today:

That's awesome, seems like a hazard risk though haha

 

[DeathyBoy]

Which was built by Hydra? I don't think there's any room for Pym involvement, and frankly I think there are enough cooks in the Ultron origin story kitchen as is.



It makes sense -- Iron Man was their first outing, they had no experience as an independent movie studio, and it's not like there were lofty expectations for the film either, which lends itself to a lot of freedom. They had no idea it was going to be the success that it was, and when they saw they had a huge hit on their hands, of course they're going to become very protective about how to move forward.

Also serves as a warning to directors that Marvel calls the shots.

 

[NotLiquid]

I almost disagree, Iron Man 2 actually does some functional if unexciting character exploration and even a bit of development, the problem is that the middle stretch is completely bogged down by the burgeoning attempt to figure out how the MCU stuff would work. The beginning and the end are, dare I say it, good

I think that's a better way of putting it, yeah. By and large I actually think a few of Iron Man 2's flaws are things that it mostly shared with it's predecessor (villain's presence isn't particularly felt, protagonist is mostly just performing maintenance and reflection up until a somewhat fleeting threat happens) but it had neither the novelty or the appropriately consistent theming to leverage itself in being a better movie. But yeah, the beginning and ending are definitely the best parts (and I dunno why but I enjoy the sequence of Tony overcoming his dad issues and going back into "hardware" mode as he puts it). If nothing else it at least has probably the best suiting-up sequence with the briefcase, and the Mark V armor is still my favorite in terms of design.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Which was built by Hydra? I don't think there's any room for Pym involvement, and frankly I think there are enough cooks in the Ultron origin story kitchen as is.

The one that laid in the storage room in the castle.
And it was build by Shield, for whose Pym worked. And since Hydra = SHIELD...

 

[JrBaconCheeseburger]

Those tiny billboards are pretty neat.

 

[jmood88]

I am one of the few that loves A Bug's Life.

I didn't know that people disliked A Bug's Life. I loved it, though I haven't watched it since I was a kid.

 

[takriel]

So it's better than Guardians of the Galaxy?

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

So it's better than Guardians of the Galaxy?

I dunno, Guardian's soundtrack alone is better than half of the marvel movies

 

[GAMEPROFF]

I dunno, Guardian's soundtrack alone is better than half of the marvel movies

Quote for truth. I am more excited for Awesome Mix Vol. 2 than for the actual movie.

 

[Lunar15]

So this is the Tropical Freeze of movies.

"It could have been Metroid Prime 4!"

Whoa now, I get the sentiment but let's not go too far. I doubt Ant Man is the best platformer in years.

 

[guek]

Up to 68! I just want this to cross 70 at least.

 

[Finaika]

Up to 68! I just want this to cross 70 at least.

69 is enough.

 

[Slayven]

I didn't know that people disliked A Bug's Life. I loved it, though I haven't watched it since I was a kid.

Watched a few months ago, still pretty good. Has a good heart

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

69 is enough.

 

[richiek]

http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/peyton-reed-ant-man-edgar-wright-interview/

An interview with Peyton Reed in Grantland.

 

[Blader]

The one that laid in the storage room in the castle.
And it was build by Shield, for whose Pym worked. And since Hydra = SHIELD...

Wait, what? The Ultron bodies in the castle were built by Hydra. Are you saying that since Hydra had infiltrated SHIELD, Pym may have designed it for SHIELD in the 80s and Hydra co-opted the design later on.