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Piano said:
Understanding isn't the problem. It doesn't matter how much you understand with the logical half of your brain if the emotional half is signaling constant despair. Imagine being flooded with miserable emotions every single day and trying your hardest to fight it through logic and understanding. You'd eventually cave in.
I partially understand...there are days (not so much anymore, though) where I would feel miserable for really no apparent reason, and it's tough to snap out of.

But the logical "half" of your brain and the emotional "half" of your brain aren't in some separate containers. If your brain is constantly feeding in negative feedback and emotion without real logical cause, that's a medical disorder, and should be treated as such. If it isn't, you *can* fight back, because those feelings shouldn't be there 24/7. I have a few friends who have, and I also have a few friends who do indeed have clinical depression, and are being treated for it.
 
When I was young and stupid and full of emotion-inducing hormones, yea. I think I was 15 and I ate an entire bottle of Adderall and an entire bottle of Tylenol with it. Started getting lightheaded and scared, so I told my parents and they rushed me to the hospital where I passed out and had my stomach pumped. When wakened, I had to down some glasses of liquid charcoal stuff and I shit black for a week. I also spent that same week in a psychiatric facility.

Dark days. Dark, stupid fucking days. I cant believe I was ever that dumb. Suicide is never the solution. Always fight. Its your only life.
 
I would never commit suicide or even consider it. My life isn't all sunshine and rainbows everyone has their ups and downs but suicide won't solve anything. I'd let done my friends, family and who knows what life still has in store for me. Just try to reach your dreams and goals and help others along the way the best you can.
 
Feep said:
I partially understand...there are days (not so much anymore, though) where I would feel miserable for really no apparent reason, and it's tough to snap out of.

But the logical "half" of your brain and the emotional "half" of your brain aren't in some separate containers. If your brain is constantly feeding in negative feedback and emotion without real logical cause, that's a medical disorder, and should be treated as such. If it isn't, you *can* fight back, because those feelings shouldn't be there 24/7. I have a few friends who have, and I also have a few friends who do indeed have clinical depression, and are being treated for it.
I suppose you're right. It definitely isn't as black and white as some people like to paint it. For some fighting through the misery is an option, for others it's so debilitating that they simply can't and for many, many people in between they'll spend months or years slowly gaining or losing ground to their negative emotions.

I feel as though a lot of people who simplify depression to 'well just fight through it! there's no reason for suicide!' don't understand how completely draining it is to spend every day over months or years fighting your emotion. You eventually run out of fuel - and that's the point at which a lot of people consider suicide. It's a last resort measure to end a misery and hopelessness that seems insurmountable.

For most people depression can be conquered with psychiatric or therapeutic help. But it is a very, very difficult battle.

I find that I tend to avoid discussing depression with anyone other than close friends and family - people who haven't experienced it often try to draw a parallel to their own experiences with sadness. A lot of those people pop up in these threads on GAF telling people to 'man up' or 'deal with it' or calling suicide 'selfish' or what have you. They don't understand what it's like to have emotions that cease to respond in a logical or reasonable way because they've never been through it.

It sucks that depression is such an invisible struggle.

People learn at a very young age how to deal with the sensitivities of the physically handicapped. You don't see people going up to someone in a wheel chair and telling them to 'quit being a little bitch and just walk!' or something of that ilk. We all understand that it is out of their control, and perhaps with medical and therapeutic help they can regain some of their physical ability. Nobody can really understand what it's like to lose the ability to walk unless they've been there, but we all know that it is a legitimate disability and treat it with respect.

Nobody really learns about the emotionally handicapped, though, unless someone close to them is going through an emotional struggle. It's largely swept under the rug in our society. Just like physical handicaps, you can't truly understand an emotional handicap unless you've been there. I can't understand what it's like to be schizophrenic. But I've been through enough of an emotional struggle that I'm able to acknowledge it as a legitimate handicap and respect those suffering from it.

Society (and GAF) at large often don't extend any respect to emotional disorders. They think depression is just being sad, and since they've been sad and gotten over it they simplify and generalize it as a non-issue.

Same with suicide. Since they've never lost all hope they think those that do are just weak. I often find myself offended by some of the responses in these threads by people who aren't willing to try to understand a problem that is beyond their scope of experience.
 
KittenMaster said:
Well... In my imagination the words I imagine those words coming from come from people that have graduated from High School, won the Grammy Awards, or have done some other thing to feel honored by people in front of a large audience.

I'm just saying, I'd rather be able to survive and be unloved because at least then I have the ability to solve this whole "hey, I'm unloved let's do something about that" problem and then I'll eventually have the best of both worlds.

As someone who has particular goals in mind, I have to agree. Not to mention the world of relationships, particularly marriage, is fraught with responsibility. I think it's important to find and take care of yourself first before heading into that world. Who knows if you've even found the one yet?
 
Piano said:
I suppose you're right. It definitely isn't as black and white as some people like to paint it. For some fighting through the misery is an option, for others it's so debilitating that they simply can't and for many, many people in between they'll spend months or years slowly gaining or losing ground to their negative emotions.

I feel as though a lot of people who simplify depression to 'well just fight through it! there's no reason for suicide!' don't understand how completely draining it is to spend every day over months or years fighting your emotion. You eventually run out of fuel - and that's the point at which a lot of people consider suicide. It's a last resort measure to end a misery and hopelessness that seems insurmountable.

For most people depression can be conquered with psychiatric or therapeutic help. But it is a very, very difficult battle.

I find that I tend to avoid discussing depression with anyone other than close friends and family - people who haven't experienced it often try to draw a parallel to their own experiences with sadness. A lot of those people pop up in these threads on GAF telling people to 'man up' or 'deal with it' or calling suicide 'selfish' or what have you. They don't understand what it's like to have emotions that cease to respond in a logical or reasonable way because they've never been through it.

It sucks that depression is such an invisible struggle.

People learn at a very young age how to deal with the sensitivities of the physically handicapped. You don't see people going up to someone in a wheel chair and telling them to 'quit being a little bitch and just walk!' or something of that ilk. We all understand that it is out of their control, and perhaps with medical and therapeutic help they can regain some of their physical ability. Nobody can really understand what it's like to lose the ability to walk unless they've been there, but we all know that it is a legitimate disability and treat it with respect.

Nobody really learns about the emotionally handicapped, though, unless someone close to them is going through an emotional struggle. It's largely swept under the rug in our society. Just like physical handicaps, you can't truly understand an emotional handicap unless you've been there. I can't understand what it's like to be schizophrenic. But I've been through enough of an emotional struggle that I'm able to acknowledge it as a legitimate handicap and respect those suffering from it.

Society (and GAF) at large often don't extend any respect to emotional disorders. They think depression is just being sad, and since they've been sad and gotten over it they simplify and generalize it as a non-issue.

Same with suicide. Since they've never lost all hope they think those that do are just weak. I often find myself offended by some of the responses in these threads by people who aren't willing to try to understand a problem that is beyond their scope of experience.
This post is true in every sense of the word.
And I'm one to have lived through it, but I won't bring up my personal life.
 
Kerrby said:
I'm 18, not afraid of death and ready to die. But I'm not making any attention seeking thread of GAF about it.

I expected this response. So one of the things they tell you in the hospital and therapy is your not alone, there are other people like you; but I'm having trouble finding them, that's why I would create a thread like this. In group therapy I usually heard very depressed, low functioning people talk about laying in bed all day and moping about aimlessly. That's not me, I never miss a day of work, I believe I am the hardest working, most efficient person in my office. My "illness" doesn't get me down, it makes me angry; then I internalize that anger and direct it at myself for being stupid and awkward and incompetent. The anger built up and I did what I did. I don't hear that from the other people I have met in the hospital or in group, so I'm looking for someone/s to relate to, that's all.
 
Stabbed myself in the stomach 5 times with a hobby knife. Someone found me before I bled out, though.

Now I just keep myself too busy too even think about that kind of stuff. I'm not really happy, but whatever.
 
BroMezzano said:
Stabbed myself in the stomach 5 times with a hobby knife. Someone found me before I bled out, though.

Now I just keep myself too busy too even think about that kind of stuff. I'm not really happy, but whatever.

A hobby knife? Did you think it would work or was it an impulse thing?
 
Teh Hamburglar said:
A hobby knife? Did you think it would work or was it an impulse thing?

I was planning to cut my jugular open but I got too angry working up the nerve and just started stabbing myself. Then I was bleeding enough to just relax and die, but someone found me before that.

Also this thread and the responses are really terrible for anyone who might be considering suicide right now. It would probably give them more of a reason to. I think this one would be better off deleted by mods.

Either leave your current situation or start seeing a counselor OP. It will help.
 
BroMezzano said:
I was planning to cut my jugular open but I got too angry working up the nerve and just started stabbing myself. Then I was bleeding enough to just relax and die, but someone found me before that.

Thats terrible. Sorry you went through that. Genuinely hope things are better for you now.
 
Teh Hamburglar said:
Thats terrible. Sorry you went through that. Genuinely hope things are better for you now.

Thanks.

Edit: And to add to some of the replies to those who have a hard time understanding;

I would describe depression as trying to get a car up a hill. If you have gasoline, it's no problem at all. But if you're empty? Tough shit getting out from the bottom unless someone brings you any fuel.
 
No matter how hard life can be, assuming all of us with access to the internet and the free time to complain about trivial matters like JRPGs vs. WRPGs, that there is someone else who is broke, hungry, threatened, abused...someone on a long savannah who's watching their children dying from starvation, or someone in a favela who has to watch armed thugs drag their family out of their shacks and rape them...

And those people are NOT killing themselves. Their life is one non-stop atrocity, yet they stay on.

Then you have first world kids killing themselves because they're in love with their best friend's girlfriend.

Fucking stupid.

Edit: I'm not trying to take away from the people who are suffering from extreme depression. I myself have obviously suffered clinical depression in my life, I'm just saying MYSELF, me personally, I try and force a sense of perspective on my life now.
 
bengraven said:
No matter how hard life can be, assuming all of us with access to the internet and the free time to complain about trivial matters like JRPGs vs. WRPGs, that there is someone else who is broke, hungry, threatened, abused...someone on a long savannah who's watching their children dying from starvation, or someone in a favela who has to watch armed thugs drag their family out of their shacks and rape them...

And those people are NOT killing themselves. Their life is one non-stop atrocity, yet they stay on.

Then you have first world kids killing themselves because they're in love with their best friend's girlfriend.

Fucking stupid.

Edit: I'm not trying to take away from the people who are suffering from extreme depression. I myself have obviously suffered clinical depression in my life, I'm just saying MYSELF, me personally, I try and force a sense of perspective on my life now.

I don't get your point, I should look up to people who are great at being victims?
 
bengraven said:
No matter how hard life can be, assuming all of us with access to the internet and the free time to complain about trivial matters like JRPGs vs. WRPGs, that there is someone else who is broke, hungry, threatened, abused...someone on a long savannah who's watching their children dying from starvation, or someone in a favela who has to watch armed thugs drag their family out of their shacks and rape them...

And those people are NOT killing themselves. Their life is one non-stop atrocity, yet they stay on.

Then you have first world kids killing themselves because they're in love with their best friend's girlfriend.

Fucking stupid.

Edit: I'm not trying to take away from the people who are suffering from extreme depression. I myself have obviously suffered clinical depression in my life, I'm just saying MYSELF, me personally, I try and force a sense of perspective on my life now.
I see your point but I think it's hilarious that you think people in third world countries don't kill themselves.
 
Kevitivity said:
Suicide is the single most selfish act one can commit.

Yawn, I'm not going to bother explaining this again. Suffice it to say that many suicidal people it don't perceive it as a selfish action. They see it as a win/win situation.

And even if suicide is a selfish action, are you serious? The most selfish action? Someone call the hyperbole police.
 
The thing is, the vast majority of people that attempt or succeed in suicide don't "want" to die. They just don't want to continue to live in the misery they are experiencing.

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

It CAN get better.
 
Misterinenja said:
I see your point but I think it's hilarious that you think people in third world countries don't kill themselves.

Well, back in the day (and even today) people use/d religion to control people. One example of this is "if you kill yourself, you will go to hell."
 
EschatonDX said:
I don't know you but i'm proud of your struggle. And that you're applying yourself to get back in the game... What have the doctors said? Will you be able to walk again? I know what it's like to be stuck in a hospital bed unable to move your toes, burning sensation like hot needs in your legs and back every waking moment. I still have nightmares from time to time, falling out of that window 3 stories.... Since then I've gotten in better shape than i've ever been in my life, girls tell me they can't recognize me and all that, that i look like a new person, act like a new person. Well they're right.

That night i fell i was reborn. Because you never understand how important your life and health are to you until it's been sent right to a view overlooking a cliff, teetering on the edge of nothingness. I have considered suicide in the more miserable parts of my teenage years; how fucking childish right? If your life isn't worth living... My recommendation is for you people to find something worth living for. Or someone. Your job sucks?You have no bitches(or dudes)? Your friends are dicks? Well you're probably still young enough to change that. I see 20 and 30somethings in here complaining about that shit and all i can do is shake my head, because your life is still quite in your hands.

Man up and follow this guy's example.

Whoops, forgot to follow this thread the past few days.

I would like to say that I share similar if not the same sentiments as well. While I fight to gain a life I once had there are people out there wasting one that they don't even realize the potential of.

Please, if you're ever having problems go to your Dr., reach out, just help yourself.
 
Obsessed said:
Yawn, I'm not going to bother explaining this again. Suffice it to say that many suicidal people it don't perceive it as a selfish action. They see it as a win/win situation.

And even if suicide is a selfish action, are you serious? The most selfish action? Someone call the hyperbole police.

I could never kill myself because of what I *KNOW* it will do to my mother. My father. My sisters, my brother. My girlfriend. My unborn children. My friends. My family.

I've been in that kind of pain where I was teetering on the edge of considering it again, but I made a choice to move past depressing thoughts and get the help I needed.

There's so much fucking pressure in society to NEVER, EVER show weakness. But guess what? We are ALL human. All of us. No matter our backgrounds. We all get weak at one point or another and there is no shame at all in telling someone that you are indeed, weak...tired and considering the unthinkable.
 
Mammoth Jones said:
I could never kill myself because of what I *KNOW* it will do to my mother. My father. My sisters, my brother. My girlfriend. My unborn children. My friends. My family.

I've been in that kind of pain where I was teetering on the edge of considering it again, but I made a choice to move past depressing thoughts and get the help I needed.

There's so much fucking pressure in society to NEVER, EVER show weakness. But guess what? We are ALL human. All of us. No matter our backgrounds. We all get weak at one point or another and there is no shame at all in telling someone that you are indeed, weak...tired and considering the unthinkable.


But the thing is, a good number of suicidal people think that they are burdens, that nobody loves them, and that the world would be better off without them. They don't think about the pain their death would bring to those close to them, because in their mind nobody truly cares about them.
 
Obsessed said:
But the thing is, a good number of suicidal people think that they are burdens, that nobody loves them, and that the world would be better off without them. They don't think about the pain their death would bring to those close to them, because in their mind nobody truly cares about them.

They think about the pain it will cause to those close to them but they just think it will pass soon. They can and will be replaced by something soon. More than burdens, they think theyre expendable.
 
Calling suicide selfish has to be the most cynical response to a serious problem. If anything, people commit suicide because the world around them is selfish.

Personally, what I hate so much about the whole situation of a suicidal person is that unless you go through with it, most people, including your family, won´t realize that you´re really in need for help. Not the "seek some help, sicko"-kind of help, but simple stuff. Recognition, trust, friendship. Stuff everyone can easily offer. But that´s not what happens in most cases. In reality, one day you decide to kill yourself and you either succeed in doing so, or you´re found before dying. *Then* people will suddenly care about you and recognize your problem.

I guess I´m bitter here, because it makes me sad knowing that if I ever decided to kill myself, my family and everyone I know would claim "he always was the kind of guy to do it, no surprise here". Well, thank you, guys. Only reason I don´t do it is fear of pain, so I´m too much a weakling to even do that.

SneakyStephan said:
9 out of 10 housewives would recommend it.

You´re not funny.
 
I don't agree with calling suicide 'selfish' either. The expectation that someone who is deeply miserable and depressed continue on for the sake of others who themselves have no misery or understanding of what that individual is going through seems to me the selfish attitude.

I used to read suicide letters on a nightly basis. Not exactly sure why, but I suppose entrenching myself in that raw emotion, and closure, made me feel..more at peace with myself? I was deeply depressed then
 
Oddly enough, in my experience the people who label suicide as "cowardly and selfish beyond belief" oppose universal health care, and welfare programs.

Kind of funny in a way.
 
I don't like how the thread title asks the question as if suicide is some weird food.
 
My father killed himself pretty much out of the blue. I respect his choice, but I miss him so much and wish I could have done something. I was the last one to see him. Cuicide did 't once cross my mind until it was too late. FUCK!
 
I've had a couple bad attempts at suicide but thinking back I'm not entirely sure that I wanted to die. I'm still struggling with depression but after my friends forcibly took me into a mental health facility (under Florida's Baker Act law) I've gotten a new perspective on the whole ordeal and am actively seeking help and whatnot.

There was one time a few years ago where I downed all the pills I could find in my house (mostly tylenol/ibuprofen, though it was around 80 or 90 total), and fell asleep that night wholly convinced that I wouldn't be alive in the morning. That feeling that came with the (false) realization that I was about to die was one of the most unique experiences I've ever had; such a strong sense of mental clarity and release is so ineffable that I'm having difficulty putting it into words, but it was very strange.

Anyway, I want to play the new PSO. I can't kill myself now!
 
Reading much of this thread there seems to be a lot of bad self-diagnosis

"I'm sad, I must have chronic depression"

Reminds of how awhile back it seemed everyone thought they had aspergers because they have anxiety sometimes
 
disappeared said:
Yep,.

I tried flipping my car off of an overpass.

Didn't work. Totalled the car, walked back to my dad's place.

Drove back to the scene. Police and firefighters were already there.

Sat in the back of a cop car, took a breathalizer. I wasn't drunk. They took me to the hosptial. After that I spent a week in a psych ward.

I up and quit my pills and counselling one day. Best decision of my life.
I wouldn't be surprised if you attempted to kill yourself again
 
this some weird ass thread.

i really feel sorry for people that take their life, that should never be the solution.
 
Bucket-o-roadkill said:
This is so true. I've learnt I can get down and be a real sort of 'glass half empty' kind of person, yet when I met my last GF last year everything changed. I gave a fuck about stuff again. It gives you a reason to bother to get up and try to do stuff when you have someone at your side. Without that, whats the point. For me, relationships are a HUGE part of life (and no I dont just mean hur hur i want sex hurrr), I loved having a woman in every aspect of my life who totally understood me and who was my partner in everything I did. Someone at your side to get through life together. To talk things over. Without her, everything is shit again. I dont give a fuck about aspiring in my job or anything like that. No point. I'm miserable at home and even more pissed off at work where I'm under appreciated and under utilised. Infact I think I'd be better qualified to do my bosses job than they are. Infact I doubt my boss could even spell qualification. Anyway, you could be a manager of a company and be able to buy whatever the fuck you want... But if you go home to sit on your ass on your own every night, why bother.
almost every fucking sentence of this post resonates with me on some level. especially the part about being pissed off at work. I`ve shown up at work, drunk, multiple times (I get almost no scrutiny at work and barely interact with anyone, so being intoxicated at work is easily doable without being noticed, just as long Im not stumbling or vomiting) because it provides some measure of relief from the intense anger and anti-social tendencies I have when I`m sober.
I dont think I`m less angry when I`m not at work, it`s just that I occupy myself with other things.
 
There were very dark periods of my life where I contemplated suicide. Very dark. I almost did once. I planned it and all. But I stopped when my youngest nephew, 2 years of age at the time, came into my room. He knew I was sad and he came in to play with me. He saved my life that night because I would not know what would've happen had he not come in. Looking back, I was so lost at the time and the sadness and guilt just consumed me. I still have periods of complete dark sadness like today when I woke up suddenly at 7 in the morning and wasn't able to get back to bed until two hours later.

I want people to know that they're not alone. Life just adds and adds and it becomes a storm that completely breaks you. But you're not alone. People care. And life, as dark as it gets, is worth living. Find your reason, even if its something small like videogames or movies. It gets better. It does.

Relating to the topic, here's an article on Cracked.com that made me cry and hopeful at the same time. It shows that there are people who care. And puppies!!: http://www.cracked.com/blog/8-tiny-things-that-stopped-suicides/
 
besada said:
I'm sorry for your loss. It's hard to live with near constant depression, particularly being bipolar, where you cycle between that and an inability to control your impulses. I wrecked my marriage and my career and lost plenty of friends from it. My brother, who is bipolar I (I'm bipolar II) has self-committed, been involuntarily committed, and been jailed over it.

I eventually got lucky, in that I finally got a good diagnosis and some meds that helped. It's hard to believe there's hope after being down in that particular hole for so long, but sometimes you get lucky. It's not easy relearning how to be after forty years, but I'm better off now that I have been in a long time. Too many people run out of hope before they find any peace, and that's a tragedy for everyone.

Sorry for the confusion, he wasn't successful in his attempt. My parents caught him in time.

But everything you say is true. He got into big trouble doing all sorts of fucked up shit. He's ok now and even has a 10 month old daughter, who I love to death. Some docs told my parents to have him commited and 'prescribed' shock therapy, and they were like 'FUCK THAT!' and went the lithium option, which worked.

He's off all meds now and is fine thank god.

Also, really glad you're well, I know first hand how bad you can get, but the scary part is, you (the ill person) aren't aware of your behaviour. My dad literally almost was pushed to the point of punching a hole through my brother's face. He got that bad, we all wanted to kill him, but with bipolar people you just HAVE to remember that they're not aware/in control of what they're doing.

It's EXTRAODINARILY difficult to deal with, but you do what you have to I guess.
 
Sennorin said:
I guess I´m bitter here, because it makes me sad knowing that if I ever decided to kill myself, my family and everyone I know would claim "he always was the kind of guy to do it, no surprise here". Well, thank you, guys. Only reason I don´t do it is fear of pain, so I´m too much a weakling to even do that.


Only reason I don't do it is because I'd be right back here again before I knew it. Relatively anyway. Suicide is the ultimate pointless act. But I do have a friend who was helped greatly through therapy and some different meds, he had to switch up a lot to find what worked, but the dude is solid like a rock now. I've known him since grade school and his family was the epitome of non-supportive, but the guy seems like he put himself back together brick by brick. It'd be nice to be able to count on family but lots of us don't have that option. You can't pick where you're born, but you can choose where you end up.


I try to be empathetic because sometimes the illogic of life can be a bit much to deal with. And I really think it's just programming flaws and an overflow of bad instructions. I always know where my CLS button is.
 
X26 said:
Reading much of this thread there seems to be a lot of bad self-diagnosis

"I'm sad, I must have chronic depression"

Reminds of how awhile back it seemed everyone thought they had aspergers because they have anxiety sometimes

Of course no one has real depression and they should all just get over it.

I really wish shitty advice like this would be ban worthy.
 
Feep said:
I partially understand...there are days (not so much anymore, though) where I would feel miserable for really no apparent reason, and it's tough to snap out of.

But the logical "half" of your brain and the emotional "half" of your brain aren't in some separate containers. If your brain is constantly feeding in negative feedback and emotion without real logical cause, that's a medical disorder, and should be treated as such. If it isn't, you *can* fight back, because those feelings shouldn't be there 24/7. I have a few friends who have, and I also have a few friends who do indeed have clinical depression, and are being treated for it.

The fact people jump straight into thinking everything must be surely a "medical" disorder is sad. The food you eat heavily affects your emotional state during the day. Why do you think people drink coffee to "get through the day" (terrible idea), or why you feel lazy after some meals and not others?

Digestion, sunshine and water are three things that can heavily affect your humor. Considering most people eat garbage, don't drink enough water (no, soda doesn't count) and never see the sun... Yeah, depression is a given.
 
Zaphod said:
Of course no one has real depression and they should all just get over it.

I really wish shitty advice like this would be ban worthy.

1) never said everyone itt was like this

2) wasn't advice, clearly

3) get over yourself
 
Not yet. The thought is always in the back of my head. If I ever go through with it, I'd want something as simple as going to sleep and never waking up again. I don't think I could stab myself or jump off a building. Pain free please.
 
Ok, this is an open offer to anyone on Neogaf.

If you EVER, ever think about committing suicide, I ask you to do one thing first: PM me.

This world sucks. I agree. I'm as nihilistic and cynical as the rest of you. I've been there, I've seen the darkness of loneliness and agony of feeling useless.

But I did not give up.

Because if I did, then they win. You prove them right.

But every day you are alive, you prove them wrong. You prove to them they haven't beaten you. And that's another chance for you to beat them.

In a more flippant manner, you can promise yourself you'll commit suicide...but only after everyone else has too. Boy, wouldn't that change the game. All of a sudden you have a motivation.

Don't let the bastards grind you down.
 
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