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AP - Europe moves to limit cheese names in America

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Ripclawe

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHEESE_FIGHT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Errico Auricchio produced cheese with his family in Italy until he brought his trade to the United States more than 30 years ago. Now, the European Union is saying the types of cheeses he sells aren't authentic enough to carry European names.

As part of trade talks, the EU wants to limit the use of names like Parmesan, feta and Gorgonzola on cheese made in the United States. The argument is that the American-made cheeses are shadows of the original European varieties and cut into sales and identity of the European cheeses.

Auricchio, president of Wisconsin-based BelGioioso Cheese Inc., says he has no idea what he would call his Parmesan if he had to find a new name.

"I Can't Believe It's Not Parmesan," he jokes.

The Europeans say Parmesan should only come from the area around Parma, Italy, not from Auricchio's plant or those familiar green cylinders that American companies sell. Feta should only be from Greece, they say, even though feta isn't a place. The EU argues it "is so closely connected to Greece as to be identified as an inherently Greek product."

So, a little "hard-grated cheese" for your pasta? It doesn't have quite the same ring as Parmesan.

U.S. dairy producers, cheesemakers and food companies are all fighting the idea, which they say would hurt the $4 billion domestic cheese industry and endlessly confuse consumers.

"It's really stunning that the Europeans are trying to claw back products made popular in other countries," says Jim Mulhern, president of the National Milk Producers Federation, which represents U.S. dairy farmers.

The European Union would not say exactly what it is proposing or even whether it will be discussed this week as a new round of talks on an EU-United States free trade agreement opens in Brussels.

European Commission spokesman Roger Waite would only say that the question "is an important issue for the EU."

That's clear from recent agreements with Canada and Central America, where certain cheese names were restricted unless the cheese came from Europe. Under the Canadian agreement, for example, new feta products manufactured in Canada can only be marketed as feta-like or feta-style, and they can't use Greek letters or other symbols that evoke Greece.

Canada made a similar agreement on Gorgonzola from Italy. Existing cheeses would still be able to market under those names, but expansion would be limited for new products.


Though it has not laid out a public proposal, the EU is expected to make similar attempts to restrict marketing of U.S.-made cheeses, possibly including Parmesan, Asiago, Gorgonzola, feta, fontina, grana, Muenster, Neufchatel and Romano.

And it may not be just cheese. Other products with traditional ties to European countries that could be affected include bologna, Black Forest ham, Greek yogurt, Valencia oranges and prosciutto, among other foods.

The trade negotiations are important for the EU as Europe has tried to protect its share of agricultural exports after a tough recession. The ability to corner the market on some of the continent's most famous and traditional products would prevent others from cutting into those profits.

Concerned about the possible impact of changing the labels on those popular foods, a bipartisan group of 55 senators wrote U.S. Trade Representative Michael Froman and Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack this week asking them not to agree to any such proposals by the EU.

Led by New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., and Pennsylvania Sen. Patrick Toomey, R-Pa., the members wrote that in the states they represent, "many small- or medium-sized, family-owned businesses could have their businesses unfairly restricted" and that export businesses could be gravely hurt.

Schumer said artisanal cheese production is a growing industry across New York.

"Muenster is Muenster, no matter how you slice it," he says.

Trevor Kincaid, a spokesman for the U.S. trade representative, said that conversations on the issue are in the early stages but that the U.S. and EU have "different points of view" on the topic.

The agency wouldn't disclose details of the negotiations, but Kincaid said the U.S. government is "committed to increasing opportunity for U.S. businesses, farmers and workers through trade."

Large food companies that mass produce the cheeses are also fighting the idea. Kraft, closely identified with its grated Parmesan cheese, says the cheese names have long been considered generic in the United States.

"Such restrictions could not only be costly to food makers, but also potentially confusing for consumers if the labels of their favorite products using these generic names were required to change," says Kraft spokesman Basil Maglaris.

Jaime Castaneda works for the U.S. Dairy Export Council and is the director of a group formed to fight the EU changes, the Consortium for Common Food Names. He says the idea that great cheese can only come from Europe "is just not the case anymore."

He points out that artisanal and locally produced foods are more popular than ever here and says some consumers may actually prefer the American brands. European producers can still lay claim to more place-specific names, like Parmigiano-Reggiano, he says.

"This is about rural America and jobs," Castaneda says.

Dairy farmers and cheese makers say they are angry because it was Europeans who originally brought the cheeses here, and the American companies have made them more popular and profitable in a huge market.

"We've been manufacturing, marketing, advertising, and making the cheese interesting to consumers, and now we're supposed to walk away from it?" says Pete Kappelman, who owns a family dairy farm in Manitowoc, Wis. "That's not quite a level playing field."
 
Europe is always super serious about their food names and national pride. The US should fight it. The names are generic to me, if the product and process is the same why is the name special? Its not a brand. Its about preserving European profits and protecting European farmers at the expense of US farmers. I see no need why the US needs to abide by it.

Gouda move. US cheese industry is turning into a Muenster.
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Des0lar

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Wait it wasn't like that before? I live in Europe, but to me there was never a question that stuff could only be named after the original if it really was produced there...
 

Log4Girlz

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We should just say no and ask what are they going to do about it? I have no problem saying it can't be named that in the EU, but in America? Fuck off, we're the land of freedom.
 
Eat the real thing and you'll realise how wrong you were.

Are we going to argue that the cow's diet in Europe somehow makes a difference in the taste of the milk used for the cheese? Because other than that, the process is exactly the same. I don't believe a connoisseur could tell the difference between a high quality North American cheese and its European equivalent.
 

kirblar

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Are we going to argue that the cow's diet in Europe somehow makes a difference in the taste of the milk used for the cheese? Because other than that, the process is exactly the same. I don't believe a connoisseur could tell the difference between a high quality North American cheese and its European equivalent.
Can you taste condescension?
 

RELAYER

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So basically they want it so that cheese of U.S. origin must come up with new names, so that when a consumer goes into the store, they only recognize the European cheese and only buy that.

Fuck em
 

Log4Girlz

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The US should impose huge tariffs on European cheese in retaliation.

They should say that the name cannot be used for any products, even those coming from the original country as its not being served in the original country. Sorry, that's not Parmesan, its in America now, name it something else fucker.
 

antonz

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American can make it just as good as elsewhere. The real problem is how companies are allowed to mislead. Like American Cheese is not the same as American Cheese Product. Parmesan Cheese is not the same as the artificial parmesan cheese that many cheaper brands sell
 

Dryk

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I feel like the ship has sailed on existing cheeses. All the names are genericised at this point and they should just give it up.
 

potam

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Are we going to argue that the cow's diet in Europe somehow makes a difference in the taste of the milk used for the cheese? Because other than that, the process is exactly the same. I don't believe a connoisseur could tell the difference between a high quality North American cheese and its European equivalent.

I'd bet money a cheese expert could tell. You and me? Give us that taste o' 'merica.
 
Are we going to argue that the cow's diet in Europe somehow makes a difference in the taste of the milk used for the cheese? Because other than that, the process is exactly the same. I don't believe a connoisseur could tell the difference between a high quality North American cheese and its European equivalent.

They're still salty about our wine beating their's since the 70s and our beers beating their's for the past decade
 
Not sure what the situation is internationally but we're not supposed to call sparkling wine "Champagne" unless it actually comes from the region of the same name in France.
 

PKrockin

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I doubt most of we Americans have even heard of Parma, Italy. Parmesan cheese has no connection to any place in our minds, it's just a type of cheese.
 

s_mirage

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Are we going to argue that the cow's diet in Europe somehow makes a difference in the taste of the milk used for the cheese? Because other than that, the process is exactly the same. I don't believe a connoisseur could tell the difference between a high quality North American cheese and its European equivalent.

Firstly, you don't know that the process is exactly the same unless you happen to have personally made both types. Secondly, some cheeses, though admittedly not the ones being discussed here, such as Brie, are only pale imitations in their American form due to stupid health regulations making the originals illegal. That bacteria helps with the flavour.
 
Are we going to argue that the cow's diet in Europe somehow makes a difference in the taste of the milk used for the cheese? Because other than that, the process is exactly the same. I don't believe a connoisseur could tell the difference between a high quality North American cheese and its European equivalent.

Anything, from the race of the cows (some are so local they are restricted to a single region/province), their diet, to the quality of the water, temperature, humidity, and most of all the age-old, traditional process can influence the taste of a cheese. Connoisseurs, american, european or otherwise, can and will tell a difference.
 

braves01

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Forget all the whining about Feta, Gorgonzola, and Parmesan. This is a typical protectionist move that's just about the cheddar.
 

RELAYER

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I think too many europeans look at cheap american cheeses and assume that it's the only thing americans eat.


Europeans get our worst crap and assume it's the best we have to offer.

See also, every European that ever posted in an American beer thread.
 

terrisus

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And who's that going to hurt more? We can make extremely high quality cheese. They'll simply be out of a huge market.

So just because they'll be "hurt more" means I should miss out on awesome cheese because we can't go along with naming conventions?
 

Log4Girlz

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So just because they'll be "hurt more" means I should miss out on awesome cheese because we can't go along with naming conventions?

Yes, because they can go fuck themselves with this selfish bullshit. Those products are famous and popular here in American due to American advertising and production of said products. We do the leg work and then suddenly its "Oh hey America, thanks for creating a profitable market in your country, but how about these products can only carry the names if they are from Europe?"
 

Kaworu

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Wait it wasn't like that before? I live in Europe, but to me there was never a question that stuff could only be named after the original if it really was produced there...

It's for some products within the EU and we are expanding those agreements lately. Sangria is protected too.
 

verbum

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They are making some decent Gruyere in Wisconsin these days. One day it will dethrone Le Gruyère Premier Cru.
 

Madness

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Eat the real thing and you'll realise how wrong you were.

Problem is, it's the US cheese industry that really popularized and increased the consumption of cheese worldwide. It's not a question of quality.

Will be interesting to see how this all plays out. I do know Scotland was able to force India to start calling their Scotch, Indian Scotch or Indian-style Scotch on their bottles from distilleries.

Maybe for cheese from Italy, they can start writing American parmesan or Italian style Parmesan. Then again, many countries have started to locally produce products that were started elsewhere.
 
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