AP: Saudi police open fire at protestors in east

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I find it sickening how no one really speaks up when Saudi Arabia fucks around with its own people. I'm not even referring to the administration - they have oil prices to keep down and allies to maintain so it's not surprising - but the usually vocal online arab and muslim communities remain mostly quiet and that's a problem.
 
Alucrid said:
I think it's because Manos is on an iPad.
Samsung Captivate actually, its a bit hard to copy and paste as easy with the smaller screen. Oddly enough thr iPad has actually been pretty decent when I've used it for typing (gingerbread keyboard is a huge improvement though).
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Looks like the Saudis are going with the Maximum Oppression strategy. AP wire reports use of gunfire and stun grenades against several hundred protestors. Type Saudi police open fire into Google for the story.

This isn't going to end well...

Edit: Link http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/10/AR2011031003269.html
It hasn't even begun. About 20,000 protesters are signed up for a show of protest in a Riyadh roundabout after tomorrow's Friday prayers. Even if 1/4th of them show up, it will be the biggest demonstration in the Kingdom of Saud.
 
pestul said:
Good.. not like we deserve cheap oil/gas anymore anyway. Would be a huge wake up call for most.
That's like telling a heroin addict that they can't have anymore.... shame on you.
 
Iceman said:
To what, exactly, would that awaken us?
Stop using so much fucking oil. We're already paying $5/gallon for gas in many places in Canada.. europe is like $9/gallon. I'm tired of the US media whining about $5/gallon gas prices. Time to deal with it.

Anyway, the bloodshed in Saudi Arabia is nothing to take lightly. Sorry for derailing this topic.
 
pestul said:
Good.. not like we deserve cheap oil/gas anymore anyway. Would be a huge wake up call for most.
Yeah a recession is a great time to raise oil prices. The amount of people becoming unable to afford energy would be even greater. Stick it to the... poor!
 
pestul said:
Stop using so much fucking oil. We're already paying $5/gallon for gas in many places in Canada.. europe is like $9/gallon. I'm tired of the US media whining about $5/gallon gas prices. Time to deal with it.

Anyway, the bloodshed in Saudi Arabia is nothing to take lightly. Sorry for derailing this topic.

Gas price is the least of our worries if oil price gets that high.
 
DanteFox said:
is the middle east turmoil what has been causing the rise in gas prices lately? I am honestly curious about this.


Duh. Someone sneezes in the ME and gas goes up.
 
While libya is a small producer overall in OPEC, the big fear is that the unrest will spread to Saudi Arabia, (tune in Friday!) and then we will have Fallout 4: Real Life Edition!
 
DanteFox said:
is the middle east turmoil what has been causing the rise in gas prices lately? I am honestly curious about this.
Speculators capitalizing on the fears of curtailed supply in the short-term. First it was Egypt and the Suez Canal, then Libya (largest producer in North Africa, mainly supplies Europe), then now Saudi Arabia. There is no real shortage.
 
I had a prescient dream, that we were all much healthier. We were all riding bikes and doing a lot more outdoorsy type stuff, like gardening and walking and drinking water, mainly because we fucking had to. Since the environment tanked and the food and fuel shortages came, but we still had to eat and go to work each day. Shit sucked. Wait till gas hits $10.00 a gallon sustained, things would change. I will see a drill-baby-driller getting chased by an angry mob.
 
I wonder when the History Channel will update their compelling Nostradamus series to include whats happening now. 2012 here we goooooooo
 
I'm in Qatif right now. They're arresting people randomly and there's gonna be a curfew tomorrow. Shit just got real.
 
hxa155 said:
I'm in Qatif right now. They're arresting people randomly and there's gonna be a curfew tomorrow. Shit just got real.
Be safe man.

I respect these people for fighting for their rights.
 
Heard on NPR that the protests are in the east which has a large Shia concentration. Saudis on the forum can probably shed more light on this.
 
fawaz said:
I am Saudi. if you guys have any questions you can ask me.


How much have things escalated? Is it concentrated, and rather small in range?

Is there a real chance of the protesting going over to the west and south?
 
RustyNails said:
I wanna know more about curfew. How can they impose curfew on Friday when there will be masses of people for the prayers?
You'd think that these regimes would realize to not fuck with Friday prayers, by now.

They never learn.
 
pestul said:
Stop using so much fucking oil. We're already paying $5/gallon for gas in many places in Canada.. europe is like $9/gallon. I'm tired of the US media whining about $5/gallon gas prices. Time to deal with it.

Anyway, the bloodshed in Saudi Arabia is nothing to take lightly. Sorry for derailing this topic.
Hey dont hate on us because we dont get assfucked in taxes on Gasoline. If Europe hates the prices do something about it dont bend over and say please sir raise the taxes more.
 
Veidt said:
You'd think that these regimes would realize to not fuck with Friday prayers, by now.

They never learn.
On that note,

"We reject outside intervention"
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By MUHAMMAD AL-SULAMI | ARAB NEWS

Published: Mar 9, 2011 20:25 Updated: Mar 10, 2011 17:22

JEDDAH: Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al-Faisal said on Wednesday that Saudi Arabia would not allow any foreign intervention in its internal affairs. He also reiterated the Kingdom’s opposition to demonstrations, saying it would cause division and unrest in the country.

“We’ll cut off the fingers of those who try to interfere in our internal matters and we reject dictates from any foreign party, be it small or big. We’ll also reject any move that would undermine the Kingdom’s sovereignty,” Prince Saud told reporters.

“As we do not interfere in the internal affairs of other countries, we’ll not allow anybody to interfere in our internal affairs,” the foreign minister said when asked about reports of Iranian instigation for demonstrations inside the Kingdom.

“We hope Iran should be concerned more with demonstrations that are taking place there. In Saudi Arabia we don’t have any demonstrations like in Iran. We would not tolerate any intervention in the Kingdom’s affairs by any foreign party…If we find any foreign intervention we’ll stop it immediately,” he said.

Prince Saud indicated that the Saudi government was ready to bring about more reforms to meet the hopes and aspirations of its citizens. “Change will come through the citizens of this country and not in accordance with the dictates of foreign parties,” he insisted.

He highlighted the Kingdom’s long history. “Since the time of Prophet Ibrahim (peace be upon him) our people have been living in this country. They know their interests and requirements and how to reach their objectives. We want to protect their independence and interests.”

Speaking about anti-government protests in some Arab countries, Prince Saud said: “People are copying what is happening in another country. When they see someone raising a flag they follow him,” he said. “There are similarities in these events, but each one is different from the other,” he said. He described Saudi Arabia as an open country. “King Abdullah has instructed all officials that their doors should be open to all citizens to present their proposals and grievances.”

Prince Saud also emphasized the importance of national dialogue that covers all groups of people in the country, allowing them to present their viewpoints on various issues. He emphasized the government’s efforts to protect human rights and establish justice and equality. “The best way to achieve all these objectives is dialogue,” he said.

Asked whether the anti-government protests in some Arab countries were instigated by foreign forces, he said: “External intervention was very clear, but we cannot say whether it was the main reason or not. I think that every country had a different situation. There are people who believe in conspiracy theories. But I believe foreign forces have played their role in these events.”
Summary: When the Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al Faisal says they will "cut off the fingers" of foreign interventionists, he means it in literal sense. Secondly, the Kingdom is shifting blame for the unrest to Iran, completely oblivious to the aspirations and plight of poorer, unemployed Saudi youth. Thirdly, the Kingdom is still butt hurt about President Husni Mubarak's ouster.
 
Veidt said:
How much have things escalated? Is it concentrated, and rather small in range?

Is there a real chance of the protesting going over to the west and south?


well the only people that are protesting are the shia.They are a religious minority that support Iran.

I don't really see the situation escalating because they only make up 1% of the population. And even if the rest of the population are going to protest they aren't going to ask the king to resign. They will protest interior matters and will ask for a crackdown on corruption ( which already started)
 
Saudis can point fingers at Iran all they want ( and such accusations may/may not be true) but they need to get their house in order. There is no simply no justification for treating the minority Shia like second class citizens.
 
pestul said:
Stop using so much fucking oil. We're already paying $5/gallon for gas in many places in Canada.. europe is like $9/gallon. I'm tired of the US media whining about $5/gallon gas prices. Time to deal with it.

Anyway, the bloodshed in Saudi Arabia is nothing to take lightly. Sorry for derailing this topic.

are you familiar with supply and demand? obviously not... and nor will i explain it to you but i suggest you google it or a read a good microeconomic book because you lack the basic intuitive knowledge to figure it out on your own. there is a reason why gas is different in price in different regions, i.e price parity.

now excuse me while i drive 12 miles to my university and back.
 
Until this moment, the Shia are the only ones protesting. But their agendas aren't exactly welcomed by the majority of the Kingdom. Most people are aware of the corruption, but a much more efficient approach is required.

Nesotenso said:
Saudis can point fingers at Iran all they want ( and such accusations may/may not be true) but they need to get their house in order. There is no simply no justification for treating the minority Shia like second class citizens.
The situation is far more complicated than that, I'm afraid.
 
Despera said:
The situation is far more complicated than that, I'm afraid.


Well unjust treatment is one of the causes of dissatisfaction among the Shia population, is it not? I am just going by news reports that the majority of protesters are Shia who want societal reforms for their community.

Are you a Saudi national? Is their unrest/ dissatisfaction among the the general populace about the economic/ political situation in the Kingdom? I was under the impression that the King still enjoys popular support.
 
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