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[winjer]

"All Palestinian lands are ours" claim has happened.

I mean, dafuq is so hard to "understand": THE BIBLE says it's Jewish lands (hilarious that even that claim is BS), holy text cannot be wrong.

So, the so called Palestinians, get the f*ck out of your homes, because, you know, reasons.

What are you on about?
Even the Koran when referring to those lands always says Israel and the Israeli.
The same with all the empires that occupied that land.
The Palestinians are from Saudi Arabia and they started invading Israel in the XII century.
And Gaza belonged to Egypt until 1973. It never belonged to the Palestinians.

 

[Lord Panda]

There are no good sides in this.

Fuck off with this shit.

 

[gow3isben]

Damn gents in this thread we really arguing about who has the rights to the land here...? When has that ever gotten anywhere in the past 100 years lol.

I can see why politics was banned here I guess I'll go back to arguing about Veilguard some more in the gaming section.

 

[Dick Jones]

Damn gents in this thread we really arguing about who has the rights to the land here...? When has that ever gotten anywhere in the past 100 years lol.

I can see why politics was banned here I guess I'll go back to arguing about Veilguard some more the gaming section some more.

It's a pity on the day something positive happened, people have gone ultra negative.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

most palestinian refugees live in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.

In Jordan they are basically on a powder keg due to palestinians. It has been quite dangerous for the king after the october 7th due to palestinian protests.
Syria is a mess and Lebanon suffered a lot of due to palestinians so they are not willing to accept more. Same with Egypt who went through muslim brotherhood period.

Nobody wants peace because it doesn’t suit anyone. Not Israel, not Hamas, not the Arab states.

It is actually quite complex. I am pretty sure that gulf monarchies would like to have a peace with Israel - Israel is literally like a tech hub on the middle east. But it is a touchy subject for their muslim population. That's why we have these reports on a deal that the saudi arabia did not want to look like they were giving up on palestinian people. Monarchy wants to resolve palestinian question because it stops from a proper peace in that region as you are always risking some war. Now with Iran falling apart, they have an opportunity to achieve that - especially with a potential for ISIS or Al Qaeda coming back in Syria, which becomes a more urgent matter for Saudi Arabia. I am pretty sure that even Qatar was not happy with the whole October 7th attack as nobody expected for it to escalate to this point. Yet just like "kiev in 3 days" it also dragged long enough to become pain in the ass for the whole region. There were some positive developments of course - nobody predicted them though originally - like the collapse of Syria and and the destruction of the "shia crescent". Or that Israel was able to destroy Hezbollah just before Iran lost control of Syria. Unexpected boon for arabic monarchies.

But another side of the coin is that the war is business. Even without expansion of the power in the region - like Turkey is doing - the military industrial complex feeds on war. And in every conflict you have parties who are "pro-war" and "pro-peace". For Bibi it is also about being in power - as before October 7th he was literally under investigation no? For Hamas, the mess they have created with October 7th means that in case of peace they will lose power. So for them terrorism is the way to keep themselves afloat.

 

[llien]

All those people have changed their ways and became more civilized.

None of those people's land is claimed to be "jewish" either.
What a coincident!

Palestinians are still in the same mindset of extermination.

I don't know how old you were at the end of 90s.
I was old enough to remember what happened that.

There was absolutely nothing going.
Peace talks, no terrorist attacks (well, ok, no Palestinian terrorist attacks).
Two states, let's leave apart, peacefully.

Do you remember/know how that has ended?

 

[llien]

Jews were in the area of Palestine, and bought land up until 1948...

Teach me on history basics, apartheid apologist.

I've read diaries by the people who "were in the area" (let me pretend they "were in the area" and not "got into area" less than 100 years ago) before even nazis like Netanyahu came to power.

 

[ADiTAR]

None of those people's land is claimed to be "jewish" either.
What a coincident!


I don't know how old you were at the end of 90s.
I was old enough to remember what happened that.

There was absolutely nothing going.
Peace talks, no terrorist attacks (well, ok, no Palestinian terrorist attacks).
Two states, let's leave apart, peacefully.

Do you remember/know how that has ended?

Yes, with Arafat refusing to sign a peace deal that Clinton claimed he was surprised how much Israel was willing to give.

And then started the second Intifada.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

This may sound ludicrous to some but Trump deserves a Nobel peace prize for making this happen.

It depends if it lasts. Granted Obama got the peace prize and then bombed a bunch of ME countries.

 

[llien]

Even the Koran when referring to those lands always says Israel and the Israeli.

Yeah. Kinda. Sorta.

The Palestinians are from Saudi Arabia and they started invading Israel in the XII century.

Oh boy...

 

[llien]

Yes, with Arafat refusing to sign a peace deal that Clinton claimed he was surprised how much Israel was willing to give.

Bullshit.

The Israeli PM, who was killed by Jewish terrorist, was demanding MORE concessions from Arafat.
To what Arafat was saying that there cannot be a compromise on top of a compromise.

Talks ended by Jewish terrorists killing own PM.

There was no unrest, no terrorist attacks (well, no Palestinian ones), just peace talks.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

I can't wrap my head around the fact that one of the top 10 militaries in the world with access to billions and billions of dollars in free money haven't been able to root out and destroy basically a group of cave dwellers with AK 47s in an area the size of maybe 3 burroughs of NYC in all this time.

It is always hard to deal with guerrilla warfare. Especially when you don't have a local population on your side - Vietnam, Taliban, partisans during WW2 etc. The only way to handle it is either to kill everybody on sight or make deals with some local leaders and make them work for you.

As a US taxpayer how is this end result not a waste of my money?

Well...war is business. The argument is that by engaging and prolonging wars you create jobs and make economy working that way. Granted USA is not the empire of the past so they don't live or die by their wars it is only a part of their economy. In addition to that, wars is a good way for money laundering.

 

[ADiTAR]

Bullshit.

The Israeli PM, who was killed by Jewish terrorist, was demanding MORE concessions from Arafat.
To what Arafat was saying that there cannot be a compromise on top of a compromise.

Talks ended by Jewish terrorists killing own PM.

There was no unrest, no terrorist attacks (well, no Palestinian ones), just peace talks.

Ehud Barak negotiated with Arafat, and couldn't get a deal in 2000.

Clinton himself who negotiated the deal couldn't believe Arafat didn't sign it. And talks about that 'till this day.

You're either lying or have no idea what you're talking about, during 93-2000 there were many Pals terrorist attacks:

Palestinian political violence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Oslo Accords to Camp David Summit (1993–2000)​

Further information: Palestinian suicide bombings
Bus after 1996 terror bombing in Jerusalem
The years between the intifadas were marked by intense diplomatic activity between Israel and Palestinians, who were represented by the PLO. This led to the signing of the Oslo Accords and the creation of the Palestinian National Authority. In response, Islamist organizations such as Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) adopted the tactic of suicide bombings, influenced by Lebanese groups, to derail the peace process, weaken the PLO and polarize Israeli politics.[31][32]

In this period, suicide bombings of Israeli buses and crowded spaces as a regular tactic, particularly by Hamas and Islamic Jihad. [citation needed] Attacks during this period include the Beit Lid massacre, a double-suicide bombing at a crowded junction that killed 21 people and the Dizengoff Center massacre, a suicide bombing outside a Tel Aviv shopping mall that killed 13 people.

You're a terrorist apologist. vile.

 

[llien]

Ehud Barak

Ehud Barak was not killed by Jewish terrorist.
His predecessor was.

Ehud Barak did not want any deal, nor did Jews, as polls have shown.
In contrast to Arafat and the Jewish apartheid underdogs, the Palestinians.

 

[DeafTourette]

Bullshit.

The Israeli PM, who was killed by Jewish terrorist, was demanding MORE concessions from Arafat.
To what Arafat was saying that there cannot be a compromise on top of a compromise.

Talks ended by Jewish terrorists killing own PM.

There was no unrest, no terrorist attacks (well, no Palestinian ones), just peace talks.

I remember that. Ariel Shimon (I think I'm spelling it correctly) was killed by a Jewish dissident. Not a Palestinian. Not an Arab. A fellow Jew who didn't want peace with the Palestinians.

 

[winjer]

Yeah. Kinda. Sorta.

Oh boy...

You are misconstruing the Philistines with the Palestinians, to pretend they were in that area for a long time. The reality is quite the opposite.
And you can try to find in the Koran a single mention of Palestine and the Palestinians, But you won't. Because all references to that region is to Israel and the Israeli.

 

[ADiTAR]

This may sound ludicrous to some but Trump deserves a Nobel peace prize for making this happen.

But still.

I can't wrap my head around the fact that one of the top 10 militaries in the world with access to billions and billions of dollars in free money haven't been able to root out and destroy basically a group of cave dwellers with AK 47s in an area the size of maybe 3 burroughs of NYC in all this time.

As a US taxpayer how is this end result not a waste of my money? With Hamas being alive and Gaza and the citizens being so ravaged and decimated and the youth having no prospects and the citizens now being so resentful you think it is going to be difficult for Hamas to recruit in like 5 years? Hamas will have multiple times its current strength and this cycle will simply repeat itself.

I don't know the internal politics of Israel but the citizens surely can't be happy with the current government right? To people who live there what is the overall mass sentiment regarding the war and the current economic situation of Israel as a result of it?

It's tiring with all the stupid on this site.

Your money? Israel is getting money to buy shit from the US. None of the US aid goes into the coffers of Israel, it's looped back to the US. Not to mention the reason Hamas still stands is Biden holding arms and Israel on a leash, plus Israel knowing where hostages could be and not wanting to go into that area.

We're def not happy with this deal, but we'll take anything to get our people back. Trump hopefully and his admin will not limit Israel once this deal is over.

 

[llien]

You are misconstruing the Philistines with the Palestinians,

I thought you meant "all that land was Jewish". And now we have a bunch of nuance, with that strange "Philistine" thing that somehow sounds very familiar.

 

[DeafTourette]

Is the government going to give America back to the Native Americans? Since y'all are arguing who was where first...IJS

 

[winjer]

None of those people's land is claimed to be "jewish" either.
What a coincident!


I don't know how old you were at the end of 90s.
I was old enough to remember what happened that.

There was absolutely nothing going.
Peace talks, no terrorist attacks (well, ok, no Palestinian terrorist attacks).
Two states, let's leave apart, peacefully.

Do you remember/know how that has ended?

The Palestinians have already refuse 6 major deals to create their own state and have an enduring peace. Because they demand that all jews to be killed and all lands to be surrendered.
The last one was with Arafat, with an amazing deal, that any other people would have gladly taken.
Except the Palestinians demand all the land and the extermination of all Jews.
The alliance with Nazi Germany was not just some exception, it was the rule, for a people that does not want to co-exist.

 

[winjer]

I thought you meant "all that land was Jewish". And now we have a bunch of nuance, with that strange "Philistine" thing that somehow sounds very familiar.

You don'0t understand the difference between Philistine and Palestine?
Or do you not understand that we actually can track where the Palestinians came from, and they are not native to that area, it's from Saudi Arabia.
Starting with the invasion in the XII century.

For the Israeli to track their ancestry to that area, there are many sources, from several empires, for many millennia.
For you to track the Palestinians to that area, you have to lie and distort history, to pretend they are not the invaders and the colonizers, since the XII century.
FFS, even the Koran, states that area is Israel and it's people is the Israeli.

 

[llien]

Your money? Israel is getting money to buy shit from the US. None of the US aid goes into the coffers of Israel

Just for people to realize the scale of the money spent by US on Israel.

Total us help 2014-2022 to:

1) Ukraine, that was fighting US arch enemy.
2) Israel, that is just merely casually oppressing Palestinians and occasionally bombs a neighbor or two

was roughly equal.

 

[DeafTourette]

Messed up. It was Yitzhak Rabin. Not Ariel Sharon (messed up his name)

The assassination of Yitzhak Rabin, the fifth prime minister of Israel, took place on 4 November 1995 (12 Marcheshvan 5756 on the Hebrew calendar) at 21:30, at the end of a rally in support of the Oslo Accords at the Kings of Israel Square in Tel Aviv. The assailant was Yigal Amir, an Israeli law student and ultranationalist who radically opposed prime minister Yitzhak Rabin's peace initiative, particularly the signing of the Oslo Accords.

 

[ADiTAR]

Ehud Barak was not killed by Jewish terrorist.
His predecessor was.

Ehud Barak did not want any deal, nor did Jews, as polls have shown.
In contrast to Arafat and the Jewish apartheid underdogs, the Palestinians.

I know, Rabin.

There was a deal on the table in Camp David by Clinton and Ehud Barak, offering Pals 97% of what they wanted (when they come with nothing to the table), and Arafat rejected it and started the second Intifada instead.

Strange you said no bombings and omitted the quote of the facts on that.

Clearly you're a terrorist simp like your Pals pals.

 

[ADiTAR]

The Palestinians have already refuse 6 major deals to create their own state and have an enduring peace. Because they demand that all jews to be killed and all lands to be surrendered.
The last one was with Arafat, with an amazing deal, that any other people would have gladly taken.
Except the Palestinians demand all the land and the extermination of all Jews.
The alliance with Nazi Germany was not just some exception, it was the rule, for a people that does not want to co-exist.

The last one was actually by Ehud Olmert and Mahmud Abbas, who also couldn't bring himself to sign it, because they want all the land they lost in countless wars and terror.

Pals are forever losers, they invented victimhood. Every people in the world moved on from conquest and loss, except for them.

 

[llien]

The Palestinians have already refuse 6

I don't know why you find it appropriate to double down on apparent bullshit.

The stuff that you've claimed in this thread, that was shown to be a lie:

1) "It was just Israel" - yeah, nah, see how many kingdoms there were, including that strange "Philistine" thing
2) "Palestinians have ended the negotiations" - no, IT WAS JEWISH TERRORISTS WHO HAVE KILLED OWN PM FOR SIGNING A PEACE DEAL WITH PALESTINIANS
3) "But Palestinians didn't sign shit"
This lie makes my blood boil.
You goddamn nazi fucks, who told you that one party was entitled to have other sides lands?

Palestinians wanted the deal and supported Arafat.
Jews have killed own PM to prevent him from ending the conflict.

BECAUSE FUCKING LAND GRAB WOULD STOP.

 

[llien]

(Oh, Palestinians were asked to cede just a little bit. After killing own PM, weren't Jews entitled to grab a bit more of Palestinian land)

No, I'm afraid, not.

 

[llien]

You don'0t understand the difference between Philistine and Palestine?

Dude, at this point, should not you pause a bit and think for once?

 

[ADiTAR]

I don't know why you find it appropriate to double down on apparent bullshit.

The stuff that you've claimed in this thread, that was shown to be a lie:

1) "It was just Israel" - yeah, nah, see how many kingdoms there were, including that strange "Philistine" thing
2) "Palestinians have ended the negotiations" - no, IT WAS JEWISH TERRORISTS WHO HAVE KILLED OWN PM FOR SIGNING A PEACE DEAL WITH PALESTINIANS
3) "But Palestinians didn't sign shit"
This lie makes my blood boil.
You goddamn nazi fucks, who told you that one party was entitled to have other sides lands?

Palestinians wanted the deal and supported Arafat.
Jews have killed own PM to prevent him from ending the conflict.

BECAUSE FUCKING LAND GRAB WOULD STOP.

Rabin was murdered in 1995.

Israeli PM, Ehud Barak offered a peace deal in 2000. Araft Refused.

Israeli PM, Ehud Olmert offered a peace deal in 2007. Abbas refused.

Both of those negotiated by a Clinton, first one Bill second one Hillary.

I see English is not your first language, so maybe there's a reading comprehension problem here, plus wrongfully quoting me like a child.

 

[winjer]

I don't know why you find it appropriate to double down on apparent bullshit.

The stuff that you've claimed in this thread, that was shown to be a lie:

1) "It was just Israel" - yeah, nah, see how many kingdoms there were, including that strange "Philistine" thing
2) "Palestinians have ended the negotiations" - no, IT WAS JEWISH TERRORISTS WHO HAVE KILLED OWN PM FOR SIGNING A PEACE DEAL WITH PALESTINIANS
3) "But Palestinians didn't sign shit"
This lie makes my blood boil.
You goddamn nazi fucks, who told you that one party was entitled to have other sides lands?

Palestinians wanted the deal and supported Arafat.
Jews have killed own PM to prevent him from ending the conflict.

BECAUSE FUCKING LAND GRAB WOULD STOP.

Of all those kingdoms, only Israel is still in existence. The concept of Palestine never existed until recently.
The negotiations didn't just end. Even after the death of the Israeli PM, negotiations kept on going, with several proposal for land swap and recognition.
And it was Arafat and the Palestinians that were constantly changing the terms they wanted, with percentages for the west bank and land swaps.
It was Arafat's reluctance and his support for the Second Intifada, that in the end caused the negotiations to fail.
Arafat was under a lot of pressure from the Arab world, even the Egyptian PM said he would be a traitor to the Arab cause if he accepted any deal.
And other Arab countries were just as critical. But worst yet, were the threats he was receiving from the PLO.

And don't try to call the Israeli Nazis, when they were the victims of such a regime, while the Palestinians were their allies.
Let's try to remember whose people were in each side, in history. And the Palestinians have been in very bad company.

 

[winjer]

Dude, at this point, should not you pause a bit and think for once?

What part don't you still understand that we know where the Palestinians came from.
It's from Saudi Arabia, they are not native to Israel and neither to Philistine.

 

[llien]

I'm not in mental masturbation mood today.
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3 released by Hamas.

Gaza ceasefire latest: Three Israeli hostages 'stable' after being freed, as Palestinian prisoners await release

The three hostages - including UK-Israel national Emily Damari - are being treated in hospital in Tel Aviv after 15 months in Gaza.

www.bbc.com

BBC: "Hamas says for every hostage released, 30 Palestinian prisoners will be released from Israeli jails - it means 90 Palestinians are expected to be released soon, but there's no sign of it happening yet"

 

[ADiTAR]

Moving back to the subject at hand.

 

[Party McHardy]

Apparently there was a similar situation when Obama came in. After the prisoner swap it’ll be back to business as usual, and the other aspects of the agreement likely wont eventuate

Hamas wanted a complete end to the war, and only now agreed to let go of that.

Those claiming genocide don't know what the meaning of the word is, the Gaza population increased during the war. That does not make it a genocide. Hopefully now that TikTok is banned people can search for other sources to their stupidity.

Its the international committee that is wrong!

 

[longrainwater]

I'm afraid "we killed 2 times more civilians than militants and that is fnie" is a gem that is hard to find in human history.

If you consider that ratio (provided by Hamas) as “genocide”, than every war is a genocide. Was October 7 a genocide?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I'm afraid "we killed 2 times more civilians than militants and that is fnie" is a gem that is hard to find in human history.

You wouldnt have so many civilian casualties if all these rebels and mid east terrorist guys fought the US, United Nations or Israeli armies mano-a-mano instead hiding in hospitals, schools and basements of restaurants. Even kids in grade school fighting at recess just duke it out straight on.

So if they want to mingle with the normal folks, then they and their normal citizens will all get equally hit with the same hammer. You can either be a man and fight head on, or hide behind people fighting like babies.

In modern day, any crackpot militant force should be lucky people are now a lot more chill than decades ago. During WWII, armies literally carpet bombed cities, blitzkrieg towns and the US even launched two atom bombs wiping out Japanese cities. Countries that have the gear now could literally wipe out other countries if they really wanted to.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

I am surprised that Israel was not able to root out Hamas despite a full invasion.

I doubt you would like what that would actually entail to get done..

 

[Auto_aim1]

Arafat sat on his ass and let the deal expire. It's one of president Clinton's biggest disappointments.

 

[MisterFalcon]

It sure did not take long for the narrative to go from 'the worst genocide ever, Auschwitz times a thousand' to 'total victory for brave and strong Gaza'.

 

[EviLore]

Implant the 2000 hamas terrorists with gps locator beacons before releasing them, then simultaneously missile strike each location after the Israeli hostages are free.

 

[llien]

Arafat sat on his ass and let the deal expire

Yeah.
And that Jewish PM killed by Jews for signing peace accords is just a conspiracy.

if all these rebels and mid east terrorist guys fought the US,

Do you realize, that this thing has actually happened, kid?

US and Nato start to formally withdraw troops from Afghanistan

The move will bring to an end the US' longest war but prompted a new warning from the Taliban.

www.bbc.com

Apparently there was a similar situation when Obama came in. After the prisoner swap it’ll be back to business as usual, and the other aspects of the agreement likely wont eventuate

Netanyahu and other apartheidists need Hamas to use as distraction.
While doing these wonderful things on the occupied territories:

 

[Dick Jones]

Implant the 2000 hamas terrorists with gps locator beacons before releasing them, then simultaneously missile strike each location after the Israeli hostages are free.

Yeah, that won't continue the cycle at all.

You need to stop looking at things in an American viewpoint of war crimes and weaponry and see where there were similar conflicts that have a peace in place. Northern Ireland is in a much better spot now compared to 30 years ago. Sacrifices were made on both sides for peace. Previous efforts were made and fell through but NI persisted with another one. Efforts for peace need to be made to weaken Hamas in Palestine and for Israel to feel safe they need to stop settlements in other people's land. Continuous bombing of Palestinian civilians will only encourage more people to sign up to them.

 

[EviLore]

Yeah, that won't continue the cycle at all.

You need to stop looking at things in an American viewpoint of war crimes and weaponry and see where there were similar conflicts that have a peace in place. Northern Ireland is in a much better spot now compared to 30 years ago. Sacrifices were made on both sides for peace. Previous efforts were made and dell through but NI persisted with another one. Efforts for peace need to be made to weaken Hamas in Palestine and for Israel to feel safe they need to stop settlements in other people's land. Continuous bombing of Palestinian civilians will only encourage more people to sign up to them.

I was being facetious—they should be hit by space lasers instead of missiles to reduce collateral damage.

Yes, peace is preferable, and I agree that the settlers should stop displacing people.

Northern Ireland is not the Middle East though (yet). Different people and different beliefs.

 

[MisterFalcon]

I doubt the Good Friday Agreement would have happened if the IRA had come across the border, murdered 1200 people and dragged 250 more back to be paraded in front of cheering crowds in Dublin.

 

[Dick Jones]

I doubt the Good Friday Agreement would have happened if the IRA had come across the border, murdered 1200 people and dragged 250 more back to be paraded in front of cheering crowds in Dublin.

The British Army intentionally shooting dead unarmed civil rights marchers in Derry on Bloody Sunday 1972 did more for IRA recruitment than anything else. What's Dublin got to do with your analogy? To the IRA both Ireland and Northern Ireland are one. Someday it will happen but only through engaging everyone. What do you think someone who has been bombed for over a year and lost loved ones is going to blame? If you think it's anyone but Israel and the US you are deluding yourself.

Mainland UK was bombed many times in the 90s by the IRA and still an agreement was made in the 90s. People in NI lost loved ones for decades and grew bitter to the other side. This happened by Republican groups, Loyalists groups and the British army itself who all killed civilians. Peace takes hard work and "mowing the lawn" and thieving land in West Bank is not going to do anything but continue the cycle. Palestine land based on the 67 map is not Israel's so these actions creating settlements on their land is also not right. That 67 map still recognises Israel so it's not me wanting them wiped off the map.

 

[MisterFalcon]

What do you think someone who has been bombed for over a year and lost loved ones is going to blame? If you think it's anyone but Israel and the US you are deluding yourself.

The problem with this reasoning is that before this year of bombing, on October 6th 2023 they already hated Israel enough to carry out the attack which was as powerful as they possibly could make it with years of preparation.
Israel was hated then, is hated now and will always be hated and nothing it does can change that. So you may as well make sure it will take Hamas a very long time before they are ready for their next attack.

 

[DrFigs]

The problem with this reasoning is that before this year of bombing, on October 6th 2023 they already hated Israel enough to carry out the attack which was as powerful as they possibly could make it with years of preparation.
Israel was hated then, is hated now and will always be hated and nothing it does can change that. So you may as well make sure it will take Hamas a very long time before they are ready for their next attack.

Israel didn't just start killing Palestinians after October 2023. Not to mention the expansion of settlements into the West Bank. How does that help?

 

[Dick Jones]

The problem with this reasoning is that before this year of bombing, on October 6th 2023 they already hated Israel enough to carry out the attack which was as powerful as they possibly could make it with years of preparation.
Israel was hated then, is hated now and will always be hated and nothing it does can change that. So you may as well make sure it will take Hamas a very long time before they are ready for their next attack.

You've missed the point completely. Did Palestinians have any legitimate grievance before 7th Oct 23? It didn't happen in a vacuum.That's what gives oxygen to the likes of Hamas. You just want to kick the can down the road until better men than you can solve the two state solution. Peace won't happen in any other scenario.it takes hard work not just mowing the lawn.

 

[Madserb2023]

Great for the Israeli hostages but it's only a matter of time until Hamas strikes again and it starts all over for the millionth time. Terrorists will be terrorists after all.

 

[EviLore]

You've missed the point completely. Did Palestinians have any legitimate grievance before 7th Oct 23? It didn't happen in a vacuum.That's what gives oxygen to the likes of Hamas. You just want to kick the can down the road until better men than you can solve the two state solution. Peace won't happen in any other scenario.it takes hard work not just mowing the lawn.

“Legitimate grievances” is quite the term to justify barbaric terrorism.