longrainwater
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The ICC isn’t investigating that. You’re thinking of the ICJ.
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Israel-Hamas cease-fire, hostage release deal reached
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Dick Jones
Gold Member
Tired mistake. Considering you ignored the rest at least there is agreement on the rest of what I wrote.
Sony
Nintendo
It's practically the same agreement that was provided mid 2024. The weasel Israëli knesset also blamed Hamas of backing out then.
The difference now is that while Trump doesn't care about Palestinians, he does care for US' expenses and realizes that he doesn't want to give Israël blanked immunity and is tired of their shit.
Biden was Zionist, Trump is not.
winjer
Member
Why are you trying to pretend Hamas are the good guys.
Not only did they start this war, but if they wanted a peace, they would have surrendered and given up the hostages a long time ago.
Worst yet, they have been using their own population as a shield.
Sony
Nintendo
Hamas are terrorist fucks. But saying Hamas started this war and use their own population as human shields are incredibly reductive ways of looking at history and facts. But there is no point in having that discussion, there is more than enough historic information on what actually transpired in the Israël/Palestine conflict. At this point, if people still believe what you wrote, it's because they don't want to believe anything other than that.
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winjer
Member
What historical facts? Gaza never belonged to Palestine. Until 1973 it belonged to Egypt.
Kadve
Member
Already over.
www.newsweek.com
Netanyahu postpones Gaza ceasefire deal over Hamas 'last minute crisis'
Netanyahu's office said Thursday his Cabinet won't meet to approve the Gaza ceasefire deal until Hamas backs down from what it called a "last minute crisis."
www.newsweek.com
TikTok says Jesus was born in Palestine, so I don't know what you're talking about. Get your facts from TikTok, sir.
winjer
Member
The irony is that even in the Koran, all references to that area, it's to Israel and the Israelis.
The Koran has not one single reference for Palestine. And the reason is that the Palestinians are from the Saudi peninsula.
And they started moving to Israel, in the XXII century, during the Islamic invasions.
The Palestinians were never the original people of Israel.
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Not only that, the are is called Palestine because of the Greek who conquered it and pushed the Jews out and to spite them from what used to be Philistines people there (no relation to Pals).
The Arabs who are now called Palestinians were coined by that name by the Soviets in the 1960's when they promped up the gay terrorist Yassar Arrafat.
winjer
Member
So the "Palestinians" not only stole that land, but also the of name of one of the peoples that lived there.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Dick Jones
Gold Member
If there is an option to return the living hostages, why is'nt Netanyahu holding the meeting straight away? Everyone else would have done it. The sooner done the sooner home. Maybe it wasn't about the hostages for him like the hostages families are saying.
It was never about the hostages. This is an awful deal for Bibi, for Israel, his own blinded cult can't even justify this. We could've gotten the same deal prob a year ago. Though in theory they are saying Israel is not stopping the war, just postponing it, we'll see.
Peggies
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ChuckeRearmed
Gold Member
Fundamentally to stay in power, Bibi and co. has to continue conflict. It helps that Hamas are the terrorists anyway.
The bigger question, what's going to happen with the activity in Syria?
The bigger question, what's going to happen with the activity in Syria?
newtypepilot
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Dick Jones
Gold Member
Hostages names published. Now for the ceasefire finally.
ChuckeRearmed
Gold Member
Well Hamas has to find live hostages first - at this point I doubt that even Hamas knows how many hostages left, where they are located. Plus due to the fact the heads of Hamas were killed and now Hamas consists of a bunch of gangs, it is a big mess really. So they have to spend time trying to find them.
So can Hamas turn over bodies or parts of bodies in exchange for live prisoners? Quid pro quo, Clarece. I'd assign prisoners to each hostage and the state of the hostage determines the state of the prisoners.
Again, Hamas can either say they are in control and thus responsible for each hostage, or the "responsibility" defaults to ALL Gazans if they are just a collection of gangs and they can bear some collective punishment for their collective crimes. This lame attempt to say it's just Hamas that's the problem but ALSO say that Hamas can't act decisively only works with smooth brains somehow totally ok with civilian hostage taking as a tactic.
they will turn over bodies in exchange. out of 95 hostages left, most are not in the living.
kittoo
Cretinously credulous
Huh? I thought ~40 people, including the Bibas family, were to be released in first Phase? What is this further tiered thingy?
The idea that a DEAD BODY has value to Hamas/Gaza versus turning it over to the Israelis or an international aid group tells you all you need to know about these savages. This should NEVER be tolerated, its straight up war crime shit like the Nazi's and Japanese did in WW2. The notion that Hamas is getting live prisoners of war/convicted criminals in exchange for dead civilian hostages abducted during a barbaric attack is just ludicrous.
llien
Member
So, the same stuff as Biden wanted in May, but in Jan 2025.
Smart.
Anyway, better later than never.
Also, how is that "settlement" scheisse going in the West Bank? Are the Palestinian f*cks still not accepting it is Jewish land, 'cause bible?
Smart.
Anyway, better later than never.
Oh please.
I'm afraid "we killed 2 times more civilians than militants and that is fnie" is a gem that is hard to find in human history.
Also, how is that "settlement" scheisse going in the West Bank? Are the Palestinian f*cks still not accepting it is Jewish land, 'cause bible?
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llien
Member
There are no good sides in this.
Dick Jones
Gold Member
winjer
Member
Mate, the Palestinians are so hell bent on killing all the Jews, they even allied themselves with Hitler during W2.
When groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah and other write on their declarations that they want a complete genocide of all the Jews in the world, they are not kidding.
Hamas wanted a complete end to the war, and only now agreed to let go of that.
Those claiming genocide don't know what the meaning of the word is, the Gaza population increased during the war. That does not make it a genocide. Hopefully now that TikTok is banned people can search for other sources to their stupidity.
ChuckeRearmed
Gold Member
The main issue is that the conflict lasted for so long that public sentiment is not the same as it was in the beginning. And the issue with groups like Hamas is that without inside informants it is hard to defeat them, so the chances of the conflict ending in any reasonable timeframe is close to zero.
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Nah, 8/10 you already had pro-terrorists on the street.
ChuckeRearmed
Gold Member
Oh for sure there are Hamas terrorists there. The difference is that now Iran is much weaker than now, Hamas has no support due to the collapse of the Syria and Hezbollah.
I have no idea how to finish off Hamas at this point - the silver lining is that it seems like it is much less popular than before. In the past the classic solutions were deportations - move people from one place to another, it has been happening for years or full blown eradication. But in the modern information age stuff like this is hard to pull off.
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You think if there's a genocide, all the 50+ arab states will open their gates and welcome them in. Why do refugees only go to Western countries?
ChuckeRearmed
Gold Member
Arabs have no interest in palestinians due to their history
And the west gullible enough to accept them.
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Cyberpunkd
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Nobody wants peace because it doesn’t suit anyone. Not Israel, not Hamas, not the Arab states.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
most palestinian refugees live in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.Arabs have no interest in palestinians due to their history
Kuwait also took them in but they fled after Iraq invaded.
A very small number of them are taken by western countries.
llien
Member
Italians, Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians, (hilariously, even about 600k ethnic Ruzzians), Japan (this list is not exhaustive) had allied with Hitler during WWII.
Which part of Japan are you OK to cover with "settlers" from Israel, as punishment?
The excuses to justify blatant land grab, that has its roots back in 70s, when guess who just claimed 'all land belongs to us" are crazy.
Why do refugees prefer richer country is a funny thing to ask, but the country that houses most refugees from Syria is actually... Turkey. Palestinians also in the neighboring countries.
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The 70s? what happened?
Dick Jones
Gold Member
Today is the start of a ceasefire that hopefully holds this time. Discussing one side or the other as the enemy won't benefit anyone. Everyone can point to examples of people on the other side doing or saying heinous shit. The ceasefire is in, we must look forward.
To weaken Hamas an actual workable plan to get a two state solution based on the 67 map. If Israel continues to treat Palestinians as second class it will only encourage future rebellions. The British Army shooting at an unarmed march in Northern Ireland in 1972 encouraged mass recruitment to the IRA. The cycle never ends with both sides going to violence.
To weaken Hamas an actual workable plan to get a two state solution based on the 67 map. If Israel continues to treat Palestinians as second class it will only encourage future rebellions. The British Army shooting at an unarmed march in Northern Ireland in 1972 encouraged mass recruitment to the IRA. The cycle never ends with both sides going to violence.
llien
Member
"All Palestinian lands are ours" claim has happened.
I mean, dafuq is so hard to "understand": THE BIBLE says it's Jewish lands (hilarious that even that claim is BS), holy text cannot be wrong.
So, the so called Palestinians, get the f*ck out of your homes, because, you know, reasons.
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Maybe read some history. Israel offered peace and Pals rejected it time and again.
Israel has peace with Egypt and Jordan, plus the Abraham Accords normalized relationships with Sudan, UAE, Bahrain, and Morocco. All stood the test of this war.
gow3isben
Member
This may sound ludicrous to some but Trump deserves a Nobel peace prize for making this happen.
But still.
I can't wrap my head around the fact that one of the top 10 militaries in the world with access to billions and billions of dollars in free money haven't been able to root out and destroy basically a group of cave dwellers with AK 47s in an area the size of maybe 3 burroughs of NYC in all this time.
As a US taxpayer how is this end result not a waste of my money? With Hamas being alive and Gaza and the citizens being so ravaged and decimated and the youth having no prospects and the citizens now being so resentful you think it is going to be difficult for Hamas to recruit in like 5 years? Hamas will have multiple times its current strength and this cycle will simply repeat itself.
I don't know the internal politics of Israel but the citizens surely can't be happy with the current government right? To people who live there what is the overall mass sentiment regarding the war and the current economic situation of Israel as a result of it?
But still.
I can't wrap my head around the fact that one of the top 10 militaries in the world with access to billions and billions of dollars in free money haven't been able to root out and destroy basically a group of cave dwellers with AK 47s in an area the size of maybe 3 burroughs of NYC in all this time.
As a US taxpayer how is this end result not a waste of my money? With Hamas being alive and Gaza and the citizens being so ravaged and decimated and the youth having no prospects and the citizens now being so resentful you think it is going to be difficult for Hamas to recruit in like 5 years? Hamas will have multiple times its current strength and this cycle will simply repeat itself.
I don't know the internal politics of Israel but the citizens surely can't be happy with the current government right? To people who live there what is the overall mass sentiment regarding the war and the current economic situation of Israel as a result of it?
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winjer
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All those people have changed their ways and became more civilized.
Palestinians are still in the same mindset of extermination.
You have no connection to reality or history.
Jews were in the area of Palestine, and bought land up until 1948, where it was given that land by the British to make it a country. The parts that weren't bought were allocated to the Arabs living in Israel. Then Egypt, Jordan, and the Arabs in Palestine opened a war to erdicate the Jews. They lost, and lost land, like what happens in war.
in 1973 Israel conquered more land in another failed war for the Arabs.
You can't start wars and then ask to take back the land you lost. In theory Israel has every right to conquer Gaza, who again was the one to start this war.