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Applying for jobs is exhausting and soul-crushing

Volotaire

Member
I had an assessment centre for audit at a Big 4 firm a few days ago. I think it went well, although I could have performed slightly better on the group exercise. Hoping I get through.

I have a couple of telephone interviews for tax and actuarial consulting next week.
 

cyborg009

Banned
To be honest it's make me a bit depressed seeing people from college who cheated their way land jobs faster then me. Im just so sick and tired of doing this.

If only I could get a refund for this degree.

Besides having the LinkedIn contact recruiters on, it also helps if you change your Title to show that you are looking for jobs, I actually had one recruiter contact me because he saw my title.

Having cleared my job search, I realized how important recruiters are. If I applied manually it might have 6 months and longer, but because I had a recruiter assigned to me, I was able to do a lot of interviews really fast with very fast responses.
I've add a few recruiters in my area on has accepted me but hasn't responded to my PM.
 
Not jobless but looking to move on from my company, don't like the current work environment and team morale seems to be at quite the low. I've been at the company for over 4 years so I think I've fairly put in my time. Hopefully this goes easier than the last time around (first job I ever had). I'm not particularly great at staying committed to the search and I know I'll slip since I'm still working and going to school at night time. Just hoping that I actually get a lot of potential leads which will push me forward.
 

Slacker

Member
Not jobless but looking to move on from my company, don't like the current work environment and team morale seems to be at quite the low. I've been at the company for over 4 years so I think I've fairly put in my time. Hopefully this goes easier than the last time around (first job I ever had). I'm not particularly great at staying committed to the search and I know I'll slip since I'm still working and going to school at night time. Just hoping that I actually get a lot of potential leads which will push me forward.

I would expect it'll be easier this time due to the fact that you've good more experience and you've been at the same place for a while, both good things. Just be prepared to explain why you're looking for a new job in positive terms that make you desirable to a new employer..
 
I'm back on this wagon after having it confirmed my current role is pretty much going nowhere. No substantial payrise for 3 years despite the fact that my team's workload has doubled.

So, I spent 3 hours today updating my CV (hadn't even looked at it in 6 years) and applied for a few jobs. Feels good man. I work in recruitment and even upload jobs myself at times, so it's a pretty useful position to be in during this time.

gg Gaf
 

Bluemongoose

Neo Member
To be honest it's make me a bit depressed seeing people from college who cheated their way land jobs faster then me. Im just so sick and tired of doing this.

If only I could get a refund for this degree.


I've add a few recruiters in my area on has accepted me but hasn't responded to my PM.

I've felt the same way for quite some time. Graduated in the Summer of 2015. A former coworker who graduated with me got a job in HR through a connect. I have no connect so I'm still at my current job banging away through Linkedin and Indeed.com mostly.

Oh, "thanks" to xk0sm0sx, who suggested changing title to "looking for work." Just did that now. I changed mine to "Looking for work in Communications, Office Administration, Data Entry and the like".
 

jrush64

Banned
Are you tailoring your resume when you submit for jobs? Hiring managers may worry that you're applying there but want to do something else based on the width of your background. I would be sure to emphasize your interest in the position either by tweaking your resume if possible or with a cover letter type message.

I've tailored my resume just for a development job now as that's all I can do with my current visa status. I have a portfolio website with all my past projects, skills and work. My cover letters state that I'm interested in a development job.

I just can't seem to get a callback at all.
 

Vhalyar

Member
Had no idea that LinkedIn had a looking for work feature.

Does... it make this visible to everyone, or only to recruiters? I'd like to be sure before I do something stupid and suddenly tell my entire network that I'm looking for work while still at my current employer :D
 

Kito

Member
Graduated July 2016 and still looking for a graduate job. I've started 2017 by working as a barista in a middle class cafe, and I hope to get some internships that lead to a grad job by the end of the year :(
 

cyborg009

Banned
Is anyone here inn the IT field? If so what type of jobs should I look for as entry level? I've tried programming but people really want a CS degree. I'm currently look for help desk work.

I did two interviews for an internship.
Feel like a dolt.

at least that was for an internship. I had a job interview where I bombed so hard. Crazy thing is I intern for that place too.
 
Applied as a London Underground customer assistant. Did say I am learning programming including soon starting some night classes on Java at a university since it was part time so I don't know if it will help me or hurt me. Ideal job right now would be as an entry level dev. I know the basics of HTML and CSS and am also learning JavaScript right now (I managed to write the FizzBuzz program, so I am pleased with myself, figured out the logical steps needed pretty fast but struggled with the syntax for a bit).
 

Slacker

Member
Is anyone here inn the IT field? If so what type of jobs should I look for as entry level? I've tried programming but people really want a CS degree. I'm currently look for help desk work.

I've been in IT for 20 years or so. Damn has it been that long?

Helpdesk/tech support was where I started. My first job was a junior admin type role where I did whatever grunt work the normal IT guy didn't want to do. From there I did tech support on the phone for CompUSA (remember them?) and 3dfx (remember them?) back before everyone just looked up everything on the internet. Fun fact: people actually used to call some noob like myself at CompUSA and pay them $2.49 per minute for help with tech support issues. ;)

After my time in the trenches I landed a helpdesk job and worked my way up from there. Helpdesk is definitely a good place to start these days. It may be worth your time pursuing certs like A+ or whatever Dell offers. Computers being your hobby outside of work definitely helps with that kind of job too.
 

Simmins

Member
Helpdesk is definitely a good place to start these days. It may be worth your time pursuing certs like A+ or whatever Dell offers. Computers being your hobby outside of work definitely helps with that kind of job too.

I agree with this post. I recently have been working on getting a job with a local IT company as a help desk person. I have been through a phone interview and just had my first in person interview. I will say that after my phone interview the manager encouraged me to get my A+ prior to the next interview, as it would help my odds (I finished the first test in the series prior to the phone interview). Getting at least an A+ is usually required within the first 8 months, so if you have it earlier than that it might give you a leg up. At least I hope so, I know I finished and got my certification and the manager seemed really impressed when I went in there since I had basically got the certification within 4 days after we talked.

I also don't know how unusual the interview process is for IT but I have been through 2 interviews so far the first was a phone and the second an in person that included a technical troubleshooting quiz that I had to perform in front of the manager. I guess there is still one more interview after this which is just a lunch to see how you get along with another employee. I guess this is unusual for an entry level position like a help desk tech. I imagine it's because they are looking for someone who will be with the company long term. (like 10+ years from what the interviewer told me.)
 

Biske

Member
I've been in IT for 20 years or so. Damn has it been that long?

Helpdesk/tech support was where I started. My first job was a junior admin type role where I did whatever grunt work the normal IT guy didn't want to do. From there I did tech support on the phone for CompUSA (remember them?) and 3dfx (remember them?) back before everyone just looked up everything on the internet. Fun fact: people actually used to call some noob like myself at CompUSA and pay them $2.49 per minute for help with tech support issues. ;)

After my time in the trenches I landed a helpdesk job and worked my way up from there. Helpdesk is definitely a good place to start these days. It may be worth your time pursuing certs like A+ or whatever Dell offers. Computers being your hobby outside of work definitely helps with that kind of job too.


Could you recommend any specific things or good places to study for a support/help desk type job?

After wasting too many years in generic going no where office jobs, I succeed in getting an IT/Help Desk job (phone support) in an effort to start some kind of career that will have some progress (or at the very least a transferable skillset) and I have some experience in tech support years and years ago, which for this job which I'll be starting, in the phone interview screening, to make sure I was worth talking to further, I got nearly all the questions right (I guess basic tech support doesn't really change over the years and I use computers all the time so I have that "figure it out" kind of mentality) and I was honest in my interview, so they know where I'm at and what to expect.

I've heard people say how Help Desk is simpleton work and easy, but I'm a bit nervous.

Of course I expect a lot of the standard like internet connectivity issues and email and such and I've been going over a A+ book to both refresh and get a better scope of things, but is there anything else I can do to get a leg up?
 

Rewind

Member
Happy to say I'm finally out of this rollercoaster.

I landed a job that's as good as I can dream of.
The job fits me perfectly skillwise, pays really really good, and a very stable and profitable company.

The interview could not have gone any better. It was a really tough programming interview, but that gave me a great opportunity to showcase, and I impressed the fuck out of the lead programmer, and he brought me to the CEO who gave the "yes" on the spot.

Compared to all other offers, this one is unbelievably good, and I still can't believe how smooth that interview went.

So I'm gonna be working in Japan soon!

On the hindsight, it was harder to interview for companies who ain't as good technically, as they ask very generic questions that doesn't give the candidate an opportunity to shine.

Out of curiosity and being a recent CS grad, what type of questions did they ask you?
 

Flux

Member
Graduated July 2016 and still looking for a graduate job. I've started 2017 by working as a barista in a middle class cafe, and I hope to get some internships that lead to a grad job by the end of the year :(

Similar level. Finished grad school in Sept 2016 and been looking since. Things are picking up now and employers are looking for new hires with the new year.
 

Robiin

Member
I already have a job, but I figured this would be a good thread to vent in. I have an interview tomorrow morning. It's for a new job, withing the same management company (they pwn a bunch of restaurants/cafés/bars). I can talk for myself so a regular interview would be fine, but apparently this is a group interview. Have no idea what you do at those and if you are supposed to stand up for yourself and speak a lot or shy away into the background.

And the weirdest situation is that there will be two people there from the company - one is the store manager and one is the HR boss from the company. The store manager I know from before but not the HR person. I have been to a few work confernces with the manager and we are very cool with eachother, but I have no idea how it will be when he is my possible future boss. Especially with the other person there. Should I act like I don't know him, or what? And anyone ever been to a group interview?

The other reason for me being nervous is that I'm the worst morning person I know. If I had an interview at 6PM I would be confident and awake, but it's early...
 

Slo

Member
I already have a job, but I figured this would be a good thread to vent in. I have an interview tomorrow morning. It's for a new job, withing the same management company (they pwn a bunch of restaurants/cafés/bars). I can talk for myself so a regular interview would be fine, but apparently this is a group interview. Have no idea what you do at those and if you are supposed to stand up for yourself and speak a lot or shy away into the background.

And the weirdest situation is that there will be two people there from the company - one is the store manager and one is the HR boss from the company. The store manager I know from before but not the HR person. I have been to a few work confernces with the manager and we are very cool with eachother, but I have no idea how it will be when he is my possible future boss. Especially with the other person there. Should I act like I don't know him, or what? And anyone ever been to a group interview?

The other reason for me being nervous is that I'm the worst morning person I know. If I had an interview at 6PM I would be confident and awake, but it's early...

You're really over thinking it.

First off, no don't pretend that you don't know the person that you know. What would be the purpose of that? Pretending that you don't know him when you do in a job interview would be just as weird as if you did it at a party. But you also don't need to make a big deal about it either, just be natural about it. Give him a smile and a head nod, and if he gives you more than that back just go with it. Just like you would at a party.

Secondly, it seems implied that there will be multiple candidates at the group interview? That's a good way to get a good idea of who you really are socially, and whether you're the person that they want to hire. Are you a leader? Are you an asshole? So no, you aren't just supposed to "shy into the background." Just be active, be a good contributor to the conversation, and if someone challenges your ideas just defend them articulately without being combative. You know, just like you're supposed to do on the rest of your time on Earth.

Again, just be natural.
 

Robiin

Member
You're really over thinking it.

First off, no don't pretend that you don't know the person that you know. What would be the purpose of that? Pretending that you don't know him when you do in a job interview would be just as weird as if you did it at a party. But you also don't need to make a big deal about it either, just be natural about it. Give him a smile and a head nod, and if he gives you more than that back just go with it. Just like you would at a party.

Secondly, it seems implied that there will be multiple candidates at the group interview? That's a good way to get a good idea of who you really are socially, and whether you're the person that they want to hire. Are you a leader? Are you an asshole? So no, you aren't just supposed to "shy into the background." Just be active, be a good contributor to the conversation, and if someone challenges your ideas just defend them articulately without being combative. You know, just like you're supposed to do on the rest of your time on Earth.

Again, just be natural.
Thanks dude. Yeah, I'm just overthinking it. I just want to be able to talk for myself without sounding like a selfish dude.

People tell me I'm a good listener because that's the role I always fall back on with new people, especially in groups.
 
So after not hearing back from a bunch of interviews I decided to just ride out the rest of November/December so I can get over all the L's handed to me. Decided to apply again and I got a call for an interview from a bank for a teller role. Hoping for the best this Tuesday. It's a New Year ladies and gentleman, lets kill it!
 

cyborg009

Banned
I've been in IT for 20 years or so. Damn has it been that long?

Helpdesk/tech support was where I started. My first job was a junior admin type role where I did whatever grunt work the normal IT guy didn't want to do. From there I did tech support on the phone for CompUSA (remember them?) and 3dfx (remember them?) back before everyone just looked up everything on the internet. Fun fact: people actually used to call some noob like myself at CompUSA and pay them $2.49 per minute for help with tech support issues. ;)

After my time in the trenches I landed a helpdesk job and worked my way up from there. Helpdesk is definitely a good place to start these days. It may be worth your time pursuing certs like A+ or whatever Dell offers. Computers being your hobby outside of work definitely helps with that kind of job too.

I agree with this post. I recently have been working on getting a job with a local IT company as a help desk person. I have been through a phone interview and just had my first in person interview. I will say that after my phone interview the manager encouraged me to get my A+ prior to the next interview, as it would help my odds (I finished the first test in the series prior to the phone interview). Getting at least an A+ is usually required within the first 8 months, so if you have it earlier than that it might give you a leg up. At least I hope so, I know I finished and got my certification and the manager seemed really impressed when I went in there since I had basically got the certification within 4 days after we talked.

I also don't know how unusual the interview process is for IT but I have been through 2 interviews so far the first was a phone and the second an in person that included a technical troubleshooting quiz that I had to perform in front of the manager. I guess there is still one more interview after this which is just a lunch to see how you get along with another employee. I guess this is unusual for an entry level position like a help desk tech. I imagine it's because they are looking for someone who will be with the company long term. (like 10+ years from what the interviewer told me.)

Thanks for the tips. I'm going change up my resume a bit to reflect my current internship which is literally help desk. I work at a school but my official title is "volunteer".
they don't want to pay me
. I'm going start studying for my A+ and ccna.
 
Does anyone put a summary on their CV?

I'm applying for jobs now and all the templates I've seen has a summary section, and I've never included one in my previous CV's.
 

lmbotiva

Junior Member
Last week was my first year anniversary on my new job, I've been following this thread for a while, when i was unemployed and all the good comments from users gave me hope there was something out there for me, well, on my first year I've had 2 raises due to how efficient my department is working since i got hired, i enjoy a lot being with my coworkers and i actually look forward to go to work on Mondays lol, keep your head up GAF, never stop believing, difficult times will be over soon, I'm sure of it
 

-Silver-

Member
Does anyone put a summary on their CV?

I'm applying for jobs now and all the templates I've seen has a summary section, and I've never included one in my previous CV's.

You mean like a summary of yourself? Yea, I think most people have one.


Guys, I had an assessment centre back on November 25 but since then I've heard nothing from that company. I've called them up and emailed them and every time they said that I should be hearing from them by the end of the week. At what point is it time to lose hope and give up?
 

Flux

Member
You mean like a summary of yourself? Yea, I think most people have one.


Guys, I had an assessment centre back on November 25 but since then I've heard nothing from that company. I've called them up and emailed them and every time they said that I should be hearing from them by the end of the week. At what point is it time to lose hope and give up?

Yeah sorry. That's too long ago and it's a shame they don't have the courtesy to inform you.
 

Kisaya

Member
Does anyone put a summary on their CV?

I'm applying for jobs now and all the templates I've seen has a summary section, and I've never included one in my previous CV's.

Nope, would take up space on my resume. A summary of myself can be found on my application email/cover letter.
 
God laid off today, and college started today.

Need a 3rd shift job. Checked all the contract companies i've worked for, nothing for 3rd. Checked more. Nothing.

Fuuuuuuuuuuck.

But I applied to some 3rd shift stocking positions at grocery stores. This is bad bad bad.
 

NeoGC

Neo Member
As a college student with a fair amount of time before he gradates, entering the working world is SCARY.

Especially since I'm one of the poor fools actually trying to work in the games industry. (Which, as nice as it can be to someone who''s been so passionate about games since youth, is a pretty awful industry to work in according to some, all things considered.)

Granted, I'm studying PR (Communications) with a minor in digital arts, have done one games comm. Internship and just started my second (QA and community management at an indie developer near where I live) AND I'm headed to GDC this February. My goal is to enter the industry in PR, marketing, community management, communications, and so on. I'd most likely be working at a big publisher, it seems, which is fine by me.

Everyone -- career specialists at college, industry pros I've reached out to and networked with, you name it, have all told me I'm doing everything right. Things seem like they're going good, and that I've made huge progress in just one year.

And yet, with the job market as meager as it is, even in 2017, I still worry and doubt myself and where I'm going for the future.

Gee, college sure is fun. Sigh.
 

Veelk

Banned
Okay, need some help here.

I am currently an insurance agent and I am not working this job properly because I hate it. I find it super difficult to work as a self employed person. As a result, I'm not making any money.

I am currently living at home, and I had planned on moving out by the end of this year at latest, and I am no closer to that goal as of now. At this point, my parents want me to get a truck driver license and work with them.

There is no future in that for me. Between the hours, the isolation, and working conditions, I can't think of any way I could find time to even search for a new job. No interview I ever set would be reliable because I'd never know when I'd be on the road.

I'm genuinely scared because I'm floundering on what to do. The only viable path I see is if I suddenly start being super good at selling insurance. Otherwise, I need to find another job, but I'm having trouble finding an entry level position with my relative lack of skill set.

To be clear, I have a bachelor's degree in psychology, some research experience, I've worked as a waiter, and I can say I am pretty good at writing without anything official to show for it. I've always wanted to do writing most, but I've never submitted anything.

Is there any advice on what I should do? Stick with selling insurance? Look into a particular job market? What? Right now, I just want an easy to get job that will make me reliable decent money. That's it.
 
So I had an interview on Friday. They flew me out there the night before and put me up in a hotel. Pretty serious. The interview consisted of 3 separate interviews, it was pretty grueling. First with a manager that went over your resume and probed with some behavioral questions. I think I really boned one of these. I have two managers right now and she asked what both of them say I could have improved on. I had one answer ready but not two! I ended up saying "motivation" for my second answer which is possibly the worst thing I could have said. I talked about how I'm working on it after, but still. Shit hurts.

The next two interviews weren't too bad, one technical and one for me to ask questions to a current developer. Waiting to hear back is the worst. There office was amazing and I really hope I got this job. Not holding my breath after that one question though...
 
So, Im still struggling to leave my retail job years after graduating college. I get decent pay at this point, but I am so ready to move on. What types of jobs do you guys think id have the best shot at landing? I have a bachelors degree in marketing, 9 years retail experience, and wireless sales experience.
 
Okay, need some help here.

I am currently an insurance agent and I am not working this job properly because I hate it. I find it super difficult to work as a self employed person. As a result, I'm not making any money.

I am currently living at home, and I had planned on moving out by the end of this year at latest, and I am no closer to that goal as of now. At this point, my parents want me to get a truck driver license and work with them.

Is there any advice on what I should do? Stick with selling insurance? Look into a particular job market? What? Right now, I just want an easy to get job that will make me reliable decent money. That's it.

If you hate a job a few months after getting it things are only going to get worse. I don't know what the employment situation is like where you are but my first step would be talk to a couple of recruiters and see what kind of entry level positions are open. Getting into a corporate environment will give you a chance to look around and see what may be a good fit moving forward.
 
So, Im still struggling to leave my retail job years after graduating college. I get decent pay at this point, but I am so ready to move on. What types of jobs do you guys think id have the best shot at landing? I have a bachelors degree in marketing, 9 years retail experience, and wireless sales experience.

You should both interview for positions in marketing if thats your goal. But understand that sometimes the best thing you can ever do is just get into some general office work. Having experience working in an office environment on your resume will make you a viable candidate in the future, in contrast to someone who has only ever worked retail and all of a sudden wants a higher paying office-type career.

Put in the time/work building some experience. Take general office jobs, customer service etc.. Also sometimes getting in low at smaller companies can be phenomenal for experience. My wife for instance, after raising our kids for 3 years and not working went back to work as an office assistant. She showed up early, stayed late and out worked every one of her peers. Within a few months, the COO asked her to be her personal assistant. She kept at it, and within 6 months she was doing recruiting for office staff. A few months later, she started to build her own team and she was promoted to recruiting manager.. in a company that had always outsourced recruiting for more money. Her pay barely changed during all of this. She took on a huge amount of responsibility with little immediate benefit, other than stacking her resume.

Unfortunately her company hit some financial issues and 1/2 the staff was let go including her. However, she now had all of that experience on her resume. She now went out job hunting and within 2 weeks had 3 companies competing with offers and counter offers. She ended up taking a high level recruiting position at another company and her income is nearly tripled. Nothing about her path was crazy or out of the ordinary. The "break" for her career was mostly that smaller company she worked for, who was more agile in promoting exceptional workers.

My point is, there is opportunity everywhere. Get your foot in the door somewhere, and encourage yourself to succeed. Take lateral movements, and work harder for no extra money if that means gaining attention, and getting experience.

Work harder and swim upstream.
 

NandoGip

Member
Hey guys I work in sales, and I was wondering if any of you have ever transitioned from a typical inside sales role to other industries like marketing or what have you.

I'm in the midst of revamping my resume/linkedin/wardrobe so that I can really hit the ground running with this thing and step into a better role than the one I currently have.
 
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