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[Septimus Prime]

I'd like to remind you guys that tomorrow night a town player is going to die, no matter what. And there are a lot of good fucking targets. Thinking you are preemptively stopping some disaster is insane.

If I die overnight, please take a look at my non-KGB role and then take a hard look at Darryl and squidyj, guys.

Again, I don't want to sound mean, but this is the second day in a row you've been saved by Squidy casting suspicion on someone who barely had any votes. I have no affiliations whatsoever. The exact same thing applies to you, but there's far more evidence to peruse if they vote for you.

All they'd get from me dying is "lol we screwed up again." At least you have ties to another player.

Yeah, the same thing is happening with the same players, two days in a row. How is this not suspicious behavior?

 

[Darryl]

All they'd get from me dying is "lol we screwed up again." At least you have ties to another player.

No, all you'd get from me is nothing. I don't even have a lot of notes on other players out because I haven't been playing very long.

You won't even get anything from Squidyj because in practice you will realize how weak the link was and even if he wasn't night evicted you will still be suspicious.

 

[Palmer_v1]

Worst case scenario, he dies! Now you guys have some actual evidence to begin a mafia hunt.

On the off chance that you believe firmly EzekelRAGE is actually Archer, you are essentially showering him in FUD. You are going to throw the entire game off chasing people who may or may not kill "Archer". Until eventually people just get tired of it and for some reason or another he just dies. It makes a great smokescreen and you guys are going to go down a rabbit hole chasing this lead.

Basically, I agree. We have no concrete evidence that ER is what he claims, but we do have at least two things that circumstantially support him.

1. We have no other explanation for the No Kill night.
2. No other Archer has counter-claimed. Note that I'm not saying they SHOULD counter claim, cause it may or may not be a bad idea.
3. Seath's pile of shit?

Further, it's only in our interests to actively protect him because he is one of the only semi-confirmed Town, and his role gives him slightly more value than an ordinary drone. It is most likely in the town's interest if he does die on a mission, because it narrows down a suspect pool quite a bit.

Finally, the point of all of this is that it is in town's interest to put him on missions, but not really in our interest to try and screen the HP from those same missions. There are like 20 potential suspects for that currently. Our plan right now should be to hunt scum in general, and if we happen to catch HP, cool. The mission, until the HP is caught, should always be ER and at least 2 other players. I'm undecided if strictly 3 people is superior or not.

 

[Palmer_v1]

Cabbeh, do me a favor and volunteer for the mission.

 

[Burbeting]

1. It'd still give him some, though. That's more than enough for someone on the KGB side.
2. I think they can, though. I mean, Darryl strikes me as a high-octane player; risks seem like his business. And, again, he's no longer the one with the most votes.
3. Yup; I'm glad we agree there!
4. I mean, the same guy pulled off the same thing to save the same player again today, did he not?

1. That I disagree on heavily.

2. If Darryl was mafia, he would need to take other mafia-members to consideration.

4. Not the same situation at all. There has been lot of people doubting you even before Squidjy voted you. With VisualAnte the voting basically out from nothing.

You guys can easily let me live a day. Watch EzekelRage NOT die. And your delusional fantasies will be put to rest. Instead of sending me out of the door on flimsy reasoning.

Well others are right that even if Ezekiel does (and he most likely won't) not die next night, it won't make you any more suspicious in the eyes of many.

Worst case scenario, he dies! Now you guys have some actual evidence to begin a mafia hunt.

On the off chance that you believe firmly EzekelRAGE is actually Archer, you are essentially showering him in FUD. You are going to throw the entire game off chasing people who may or may not kill "Archer". Until eventually people just get tired of it and for some reason or another he just dies. It makes a great smokescreen and you guys are going to go down a rabbit hole chasing this lead.

I do agree with this, though. We shouldn't concentrate all of our power in talking about honeypot in the future, since she is still very hypothetical character, and hangs on in the belief that Ezekiel is coming completely clear about everything.

Also, is Darryl always this... aggresive player? I don't have any data about any other games, since I haven't read other seasons, and I haven't really read other two games in detail.

Also, if Squid and Darryl are fellow KGB, saving Darryl twice in a row is really stupid for Mafia to do.

Talkity talk

I'm still going to assume hypothetical honeypot is KGB with no extra winning condition, because neutral honeypot would ruin balance (Ezekiel would be way too powerful player). And if this is the case, your theory fails.

 

[Zubz]

If I die overnight, please take a look at my non-KGB role and then take a hard look at Darryl and squidyj, guys.

Yeah, the same thing is happening with the same players, two days in a row. How is this not suspicious behavior?

If they end up offing me, they won't have to wait that long. I really hope someone that isn't already voting for/is Darryl acts soon.

No, all you'd get from me is nothing. I don't even have a lot of notes on other players out because I haven't been playing very long.

You won't even get anything from Squidyj because in practice you will realize how weak the link was and even if he wasn't night evicted you will still be suspicious.

There's a whole lot more "nothing" going on with me than you. I know you weren't here yesterday, but Tiger, who by proxy is you, was in the exact same boat and saved by the exact same guy in the exact same way. That's a pretty strong link between you two. If you go, and end up being innocent, he would have had no reason to defend you in particular, so I would actually be less suspicious of him. And again, if you are KGB, that should set off a signal flare to the surviving ISIS agents that he went so far out of his way to save you twice.

 

[Palmer_v1]

Cabbeh, do me a favor and volunteer for the mission.

Or Arkos.

 

[Burbeting]

Are you going to unvolunteer, Palmer? Since you asked cabbeh or Arkos to volunteer.

 

[Darryl]

Cabbeh! Volunteer!

 

[Arkos]

Are you going to unvolunteer, Palmer? Since you asked cabbeh or Arkos to volunteer.

Or Arkos.

Yeah wait what's the deal with this?

 

[Septimus Prime]

I'm still going to assume hypothetical honeypot is KGB with no extra winning condition, because neutral honeypot would ruin balance (Ezekiel would be way too powerful player). And if this is the case, your theory fails.

I never said "talkity talk."

Honestly, though, I don't think it matters whether or not my theory fails or not, since there's not going to be any way for us to confirm it either way. What we can do, though, is out the player we suspect might have that role, and that's Darryl.

 

[Palmer_v1]

1. That I disagree on heavily.

2. If Darryl was mafia, he would need to take other mafia-members to consideration.

4. Not the same situation at all. There has been lot of people doubting you even before Squidjy voted you. With VisualAnte the voting basically out from nothing.

2. See below about Darryl.

Well others are right that even if Ezekiel does (and he most likely won't) not die next night, it won't make you any more suspicious in the eyes of many.

Right. ER surviving the night proves absolutely nothing about anything.

I do agree with this, though. We shouldn't concentrate all of our power in talking about honeypot in the future, since she is still very hypothetical character, and hangs on in the belief that Ezekiel is coming completely clear about everything.

Also, is Darryl always this... aggresive player? I don't have any data about any other games, since I haven't read other seasons, and I haven't really read other two games in detail.

Also, if Squid and Darryl are fellow KGB, saving Darryl twice in a row is really stupid for Mafia to do.

So yes, Darryl does always seem to be aggressive. It also plays into your point 2 from above. I'm pretty sure he would be arrogant enough to ignore other Mafia's advice if he thought he was doing better. Is he kinda annoying to deal with? I can tell you from 1 night's worth of mission chat that the answer is yes. Does it mean he's scum? Not directly, no.

I'm still going to assume hypothetical honeypot is KGB with no extra winning condition, because neutral honeypot would ruin balance (Ezekiel would be way too powerful player). And if this is the case, your theory fails.

If the HP died, it doesn't make him immortal. They might still have an override command or a daytime kill. They'll also still win once they outnumber is. It just means they'd have to ignore him while killing everyone else.

 

[Palmer_v1]

Are you going to unvolunteer, Palmer? Since you asked cabbeh or Arkos to volunteer.

Not necessarily. It's more that if Darryl gets lynched, it opens up his spot, and I'd rather one of them goes in than a complete unknown.

 

[Burbeting]

I never said "talkity talk."

Honestly, though, I don't think it matters whether or not my theory fails or not, since there's not going to be any way for us to confirm it either way. What we can do, though, is out the player we suspect might have that role, and that's Darryl.

Let's put it this way: If hypothetical honeypot looks like to be neutral, I trust Ourobolos enough that he didn't make as unbalanced character as Archer, which would mean Ezekiel is lying about his role in my eyes, aka. he would be a scum candidate to me. It really depends on how honeypot suppousedly works.

 

[Palmer_v1]

bleh, triple post. I just prefer to be ahead of the situation if it darryl does die, rather than someone jumping in at the last second with no discussion.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

Seath (1)
roytheone
YesNOnoNOYes
Mazre
Seath
Palmer_v1
EzekelRAGE
Haly
Darryl
cabbeh
TheAwesomePossum
Burbeting
Hobohodo

Zubz (6)
Darryl
Haly
squidyj
Darryl
Mazre
cabbeh
YesNOnoNOYes

El Topo (2)
Palmer_v1
Palmer_v1
YesNOnoNOYes
cabbeh
squidyj
Hobohodo
Darryl

Darryl (6)
QuantumBro
roytheone
TheGoddamn
TheAwesomePossum
Enker
Septimus Prime
Zubz

squidyj (1)
Zubz
Septimus Prime
Seath
El Topo

Septimus Prime (1)
cabbeh
squidyj
Darryl
Arkos

cooljeanius (0)
Haly
cabbeh
Haly

Mike_Hawk689 (0)
YesNOnoNOYes


No active vote for Day 2:
cooljeanius
EzekelRAGE (has previously voted)
Mike_Hawk689
Quantumbro (has previously voted)
Seath (has previously voted)


Day 2 ends:

 

[Arkos]

Ok

Volunteer

I'll go with this for now. I would choose Zubz out of him and Darryl to lunch right now though, for what that's worth. I'd rather not jump in with a vote at the last second though.

 

[Burbeting]

So yes, Darryl does always seem to be aggressive. It also plays into your point 2 from above. I'm pretty sure he would be arrogant enough to ignore other Mafia's advice if he thought he was doing better. Is he kinda annoying to deal with? I can tell you from 1 night's worth of mission chat that the answer is yes. Does it mean he's scum? Not directly, no.

Okay, good to know that. If he really could do that, it means that possibility for Darryl to be a scum is higher.

If the HP died, it doesn't make him immortal. They might still have an override command or a daytime kill. They'll also still win once they outnumber is. It just means they'd have to ignore him while killing everyone else.

Well it doesn't make him immortal, but mafia couldn't propable day-time kill him, since he would be known towner, aka trying to lynch him would be pretty hard. Override-command could be possible though.

 

[Septimus Prime]

Let's put it this way: If hypothetical honeypot looks like to be neutral, I trust Ourobolos enough that he didn't make as unbalanced character as Archer, which would mean Ezekiel is lying about his role in my eyes, aka. he would be a scum candidate to me. It really depends on how honeypot suppousedly works.

Okay, but that notwithstanding, there is still another reason to vote for Darryl. If he ends up being Agency (which I really don't think he is), that could help to clear up a lot about squidyj. And same if he's KGB. Either way, we learn something about another player.

But if Zubz dies? What we do learn there?

 

[Darryl]

I think if I was mafia I would be working the mission-shaming angle as well tbh.

 

[Burbeting]

Anyway, where is Squidjy? Lot of discussion right now concerns him too, and it's kind off odd that he has completely disappeared. I would like to hear what he thinks of the situation, at least, since some of people who want Darryl now dead want to do it in order figure out what to think about him. He didn't at least say that he couldn't make it to the deadline.

 

[squidyj]

Riught now we're heading for a disaster, I'm hoping some of zeke, roy, quantum, and possum will vote for zubz. and push it out of a territory where mafia can manipulate it.

 

[Darryl]

Okay, good to know that. If he really could do that, it means that possibility for Darryl to be a scum is higher.

I think that if anyone needs to figure anything out, they always have to be bold.

 

[squidyj]

Anyway, where is Squidjy? Lot of discussion right now concerns him too, and it's kind off odd that he has completely disappeared. I would like to hear what he thinks of the situation, at least, since some of people who want Darryl now dead want to do it in order figure out what to think about him. He didn't at least say that he couldn't make it to the deadline.

I overslept
I think it's ridiculous and darryl is right that we should just let him go on the damn mission and see if something happens. I'll try to read the specific arguments but there's not a lot of time left. People need to do something about the situation we're in right now.

 

[Ourobolus]

 

[Zubz]

I think that if anyone needs to figure anything out, they always have to be bold.

Oh, do they now?

Spoiler

I did it for you, Redhood!

And I'm with Squidy, this situation is too precarious. Granted, I'm fine with a No Kill in this instance, seeing how I'd live, but although I'm an Ordinary Drone, and thus not a good vote for the Agency, I know most of you would rather not have a No Kill.

I still want to argue that Darryl:

A.) Would lead to more info on Squidy, too.
B.) Would prevent a potential Honeypot win, if that truly is the role's win condition... Or if that truly is a role.
C.) May honestly be playing that long haul idea I had, especially after Palmer's claim that he was disruptive/hotheaded during the Mission chat. Even if it doesn't look like a good idea, he definitely painted the picture that Darryl would do it, anyway.

I'm leaving work early today, so the rest is up to you guys. I hope you make the right choice.

 

[QuantumBro]

I should probably vote soon.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

If I say who I'm almost certain Seath is, odds are, he'd become a KGB target. I'd rather not do that. I'll let him do that when he's ready. Don't worry. I got you, babe.

"Goon" is a typical name for a powerless Mafia/Werewolf player. We had Mafia Goons in the first game, and HHA Goons and Hutt Goons last time. KGB Goon's just a really good guess for what a KGB agent would be called, just like Ordinary Drone is an obvious guess for the Villagers/Town. That one is capitalized because I genuinely believe it's a title. I'm not sure why I capitalized Hustler (Years of German has left me capitalizing nouns, and yet I'm still forgetting the language!), but I was referring to a "hustler." As in, someone that pretends to be bad at something (Like billiards), makes a gamble with people who are okay at that something, only to actually be really good at it (And win a bet in the process).

The others are all just terms for "cohorts" or "someone who is in the group which shouldn't be." Seeing how they're clearly a team, and how we want the KGB out, each was an apt description of our enemies, I thought. Sorry, and I appreciate the attention, but I don't think any bit of that post holds water.

Sorry, dahling, that capitalized H was fishy as hell~ ....... and you kept using nicey friends words with the KGB... like more positive associations than negative (e.g. comrades instead of scums) ......... and I dont trust the sweet words off the mouth of an alligator.... crocodile man (whichever you are! )

>:3

 

[squidyj]

I just can't see how anyone would think that darryl is our best shot for hitting scum today. the arguments provided about giving information are useless as well.

If you think I'm townie for defending a townie, you're not thinking things through.
If you think I'm scum for defending scum, you're not thinking things through.

Darryls alignment has little to do with mine even if we are 'linked'. I could just as easily be a townie being horribly horribly wrong about him, or a scum trying to pocket him and look town for it.

The point is that you're not getting the information that you suggest you'd be getting. Vote Zubz, at least he's pretty scummy.

 

[roytheone]

We are heading for a tie again? God damnit. Everybody that hasn't voted yet or is currently voting for someone with no chance should probably pick a side sooner rather than later.

 

[Darryl]

If you're here you should really pick a side before this goes to the final speech

 

[Kevyt]

I don't know who to vote for. Zubz and Darryl do not read as KGB to me. I don't want to vote for either of them.

 

[QuantumBro]

I really don't think I can vote for either Zubz or Darryl.

Zubz- His posting behavior hasn't been too different from how he acted during Star Wars. If we want to kill someone for appearing scummy, there are much better targets. I also don't like how this vote would essentially make it a repeat of yesterdays.

Darryl- I didn't play Animal Crossing, so I don't have much to go on. He's had some useful posts so far and I'm not too afraid of him going after Ezekelrage if he goes on the mission since it would be suicide for him, and I doubt mafia would want that this early in the game.

If I had to choose between the two, I'd probably lean towards Darryl just to avoid a repeat of yesterday, but I'll probably just go with someone else.

 

[Burbeting]

At this point voting Seath is completely meaningless, so I'll pick a side now.

Vote: Zubz

I just don't see Darryl as propable Scum right now, even though he isn't in my townie-list either. I have talked about Zubz in general earlier. His voting yesterday feels iffy in my eyes, and his defence for it really didn't solve anything.

Okay, but that notwithstanding, there is still another reason to vote for Darryl. If he ends up being Agency (which I really don't think he is), that could help to clear up a lot about squidyj. And same if he's KGB. Either way, we learn something about another player.

But if Zubz dies? What we do learn there?

I'm not that sure that finding out who Darryl is is going to clear Squidjy out. I said earlier that he could be just unlucky townie if Darryl is a KGB agent.

And if Zubz dies, and is KGB. we can start to look at his earlier posts and try to figure out if there is any hidden connections to other players. If he is a townie... we don't really gather much, that's true.

I don't know, stuff is confusing. I'm still on the camp that lynching Seath would have been the wisest option, since his stunt was really anti-town, and I can't see a really good reason for a towner to do it...

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Thats 7 Zubz : 6 Darryl now, then

with half hour to go

 

[Kevyt]

Sigh... I guess I'll have to pick a side.

I'm so sorry Zubz if you are town!

Darryl just doesn't seem scum to me. He was also my favorite player from the AC game so I have a bit of a bias...

Vote: Zubz

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Vote: Zubz

In LoL game, win try to check thread, but this will most likely stick in the last few minutes.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

Seath (0)
roytheone
YesNOnoNOYes
Mazre
Seath
Palmer_v1
EzekelRAGE
Haly
Darryl
cabbeh
TheAwesomePossum
Burbeting
Hobohodo

Zubz (9)
Darryl
Haly
squidyj
Darryl
Mazre
cabbeh
YesNOnoNOYes
Burbeting
Seath
EzekelRAGE

El Topo (2)
Palmer_v1
Palmer_v1
YesNOnoNOYes
cabbeh
squidyj
Hobohodo
Darryl

Darryl (6)
QuantumBro
roytheone
TheGoddamn
TheAwesomePossum
Enker
Septimus Prime
Zubz

squidyj (1)
Zubz
Septimus Prime
Seath
El Topo

Septimus Prime (1)
cabbeh
squidyj
Darryl
Arkos

cooljeanius (0)
Haly
cabbeh
Haly

Mike_Hawk689 (0)
YesNOnoNOYes


No active vote for Day 2:
cooljeanius
Mike_Hawk689
Quantumbro (has previously voted)


Day 2 ends:

 

[roytheone]

Cooljeanus and mike_hawk should really step it up, not voting at all is unacceptable.

 

[cabot]

Cabbeh, do me a favor and volunteer for the mission.

Posting as I read up, am I a target this early? there is relatively little suspicion around me currently, I don't know what killing me this early would achieve for mafia.

 

[cabot]

I've a feeling I'm being dense and I'm about to get my naive arse handed to me

 

[Ourobolus]

Cooljeanus and mike_hawk should really step it up, not voting at all is unacceptable.

I gave CJ a second poke earlier today. Mike's been a little MIA, but I don't think he's at prod- status yet.

 

[Burbeting]

Posting as I read up, am I a target this early? there is relatively little suspicion around me currently, I don't know what killing me this early would achieve for mafia.

Not necessarily. It's more that if Darryl gets lynched, it opens up his spot, and I'd rather one of them goes in than a complete unknown.

So basically Palmer wanted to make sure someone trust-worthy goes to mission if Darryl dies.

 

[Arkos]

Cooljeanus and mike_hawk should really step it up, not voting at all is unacceptable.

Yes I would rather get rid of either of them at this point than Zubz or Darryl, but such is the life on a bandwagon. Also, if Zubz does turn out to be mafia then I will be super pissed for feeling bad for him and then I will seek vengeance on the other mafia and show no pity when voting for anyone.

Posting as I read up, am I a target this early? there is relatively little suspicion around me currently, I don't know what killing me this early would achieve for mafia.

It was in case Darryl got lynched, doesn't look like that will be the case any more

 

[cabot]

At least Arkos has volunteered

 

[squidyj]

Please let us be right this time

 

[cabot]

Please let us be right this time

 

[El Topo]

Let's see if lynching Zubz will get us any further.

Vote: Zubz

 

[Palmer_v1]

Posting as I read up, am I a target this early? there is relatively little suspicion around me currently, I don't know what killing me this early would achieve for mafia.

It was just to have someone who was a semi-known quantity on the mission if Darryl died. I didn't want it to be a last second scramble of volunteers.

Ironic considering what the start of the day is like.

 

[cabot]

Topo do you thrive on confusing me?

it feels like you do my friend. I hate you.