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[Haly]

I was just making sure that I didn't miss a night as well but yeah, you just claimed a future investigation and then played it off like: "Ah hah! I was just testing you."

Give me a break.

 

[Hobohodo]

I'm actually more thrown by Septimus jumping straight on the lynch. A few players commented but he dived straight in.

This also just reminds me of my botched role claim in AC where I contradicted myself in the very same post however.

 

[cabot]

God damn it, I forgot about Darryl not being on the list in the end.

It's too late in the day for thinking

Maybe I've become Septimus after all...

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I'm actually more thrown by Septimus jumping straight on the lynch. A few players commented but he dived straight in

I took notice of that but was focused on Squidy's claim and what angle he was playing at. He(Sept) seems to be lurking. Has he said anything about Cabbeh's thoughts on him?

 

[cabot]

Squidy making a piss poor gotcha especially after Seath trying it with him already....


There must be some mighty holes in your Cop branded umbrella, because you're getting soaked and then some, partner.

Spoiler

I had to bring it back

 

[Ourobolus]

Squidy making a piss poor gotcha especially after Seath trying it with him already....


There must be some mighty holes in your Cop branded umbrella, because you're getting soaked and then some, partner.

Spoiler

I had to bring it back

Oh god I had already forgotten about that.

 

[Septimus Prime]

I'm actually more thrown by Septimus jumping straight on the lynch. A few players commented but he dived straight in.

This also just reminds me of my botched role claim in AC where I contradicted myself in the very same post however.

There's plenty of time to change votes, and I'm not swinging anything. Consider how I haven't trusted squidy for the whole game so far, though, as well.

But here's the way I see it: we have no other real leads, and this is going to be easy to test. If Haly ends up being KGB, then squidy is likely the investigator. If not, then you have two targets--squidy, who you now know is deceitful, and me, who you already suspect.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Lol. squidyj for worst mafia.

VOTE: squidyj

This puts Palmer, QuantumBro, and Haly under suspicion as well. He was clearly trying to bus Haly, or protect ones of his friends. Or both. I don't know.

 

[squidyj]

To explain my actual checks a little bit more I wanted to get people I thought were going to survive for a while, so people who weren't necessarily getting the most suspicion at the time because those people are likely to get lynched anyways. So burbeting wasn't exactly high suspicion but he was in the wrong place at a couple of points in time that caught my attention.

Then from day 1 I had a nagging suspicion in the back of my mind about haly so I checked him n2, but I wasn't sure if it was the right time to reveal because I thought some of the stuff Topo had said on d2 was going to come back to bite him and we might kill a mafia through him. So I decided to hide on the mission team and only brought up Haly a little bit, at least part of the reason being that I'd have something to point back at but not so much that it'd draw mafia's suspicion.

Then on the mission team my choices were limited, I know now that I should have gone with Mazre but I was worried I was being pocketed by palmer and I figured zeke was so out and in front of things his claim would either hold fast or fall apart on its own and so he didn't make a good early check.

And then I did the dumbest thing I'd ever done in a mafia game and claimed I had 4 checks, which wasn't a slip but just a really fucking bad idea.

 

[Septimus Prime]

I took notice of that but was focused on Squidy's claim and what angle he was playing at. He(Sept) seems to be lurking. Has he said anything about Cabbeh's thoughts on him?

Yeah, I'm lurking a bit because whenever I say something, more often than not it's something stupid, which people think is me purposely trying to muddy the waters.

There's also not a whole lot I can say about cabbeh's thoughts, other than that I'm not KGB.

 

[Mazre]

To explain my actual checks a little bit more I wanted to get people I thought were going to survive for a while, so people who weren't necessarily getting the most suspicion at the time because those people are likely to get lynched anyways. So burbeting wasn't exactly high suspicion but he was in the wrong place at a couple of points in time that caught my attention.

Then from day 1 I had a nagging suspicion in the back of my mind about haly so I checked him n2, but I wasn't sure if it was the right time to reveal because I thought some of the stuff Topo had said on d2 was going to come back to bite him and we might kill a mafia through him. So I decided to hide on the mission team and only brought up Haly a little bit, at least part of the reason being that I'd have something to point back at but not so much that it'd draw mafia's suspicion.

Then on the mission team my choices were limited, I know now that I should have gone with Mazre but I was worried I was being pocketed by palmer and I figured zeke was so out and in front of things his claim would either hold fast or fall apart on its own and so he didn't make a good early check.

And then I did the dumbest thing I'd ever done in a mafia game and claimed I had 4 checks, which wasn't a slip but just a really fucking bad idea.

Double down is not a good look sir.

VOTE: squidyj

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Just in case he really is an idiot, can we put Haly in the mission? Won't hurt us.

 

[squidyj]

I was just making sure that I didn't miss a night as well but yeah, you just claimed a future investigation and then played it off like: "Ah hah! I was just testing you."

Give me a break.

Okay, here's the deal, if I'm mafia I gain what? one day's lynch? is Haly such an important role that this really matters? You lynch Haly, see he's town, then lynch me and I turn out to be mafia.

Or you lynch me, see I'm cop and then lynch Haly and lose my ability to make investigations for the rest of the game.

If I'm mafia the only way I'm actually generating any credibility is if Haly and I are mafia together and I'm willing to straight up sacrifice him for it.

All around this might be a bad play by a town cop but it's stupendously fucking stupid for a mafia player. It's game-losing for mafia and I am not exaggerating. If I am mafia I am giving town the opportunity to go 1 for 1, lynch 1 town for 1 mafia.

 

[Hobohodo]

Squidy, can you explain what the 'gotcha' was gonna be regarding the extra investigation claim? Trying to understand how you thought it would be help you out. I always had the impression you were to good a player to make a slip like this.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I figured zeke was so out and in front of things his claim would either hold fast or fall apart on its own and so he didn't make a good early check.

That part doesn't really make sense tbh. If I was inves and I had someone roleclaim. I would check that person immediately. Especially since after yesterday you saw how much time Kris wasted on me. Confirming me wouldve been the best thing for town, since that wouldve eased some tensions and gave town someone that could trust, assuming they trusted you. It would've probably allowed ppl to open up to me more and we could form plans on missions or something. Going into N3, you had Haly KGB as you claimed, so getting me couldve been a 2 for 1 if I was KGB.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

If I'm mafia the only way I'm actually generating any credibility is if Haly and I are mafia together and I'm willing to straight up sacrifice him for it.

It's a strategy known as "throwing a teammate under the bus".

 

[squidyj]

to add to what I just said, that's without making the mistake of thinking I could get a town read off someone for noticing something so obvious as there only being 3 nights.

 

[cabot]

I took notice of that but was focused on Squidy's claim and what angle he was playing at. He(Sept) seems to be lurking. Has he said anything about Cabbeh's thoughts on him?

Looked back over a bunch of posts, he only really refers to me directly/indirectly in these posts up until the start of D2

I am apparently really bad at rules. I will stfu in the future.

My reasoning hasn't changed. After the Visualante2 incident on Day 1, I suspected squidyj and GLT (now Darryl) for orchestrating that last-second save. The total votes on each person are small enough right now where a last-minute swing by all KGB could save their own in an emergency.

So, I decided to vote for squidyj. And then Darryl volunteered.

The way I see it is this: if Honeypot is a role whose win condition is triggered when he kills Archer and Darryl is the Honeypot, then he has nothing to lose to go on the mission right now. He goes, he kills Archer, and he wins; what we do to him afterward won't change that. The only way to stop that potential scenario from playing out is to lynch Darryl right now, so I changed my vote to him.

What's striking now, though, is all this newfound focus on Zubz. What a coincidence that the guy we tried to vote out on D1 is likely to again be saved by a last-minute swing. You guys don't think this should at least warrant some scrutiny toward Darryl?

Can someone give me a brief rundown of why cabbeh and Arkos are accepted Agency? Thanks in advance!

Oh, I see. That also makes sense.

Well, I can't exactly go back and change my previous posts, but maybe I can explain it with some bullet points:

1. I have played offline Mafia before, including some card-based variants like Bang!, and I enjoy those.
2. I've never played online Mafia before.
3. I've never played a Mafia game with missions.

If you'll go back and read my "playing dumb" posts, you'll see that all my questions and faulty assumptions pertained to one specific component of the rule set--namely the rule that I've never encountered before (and clearly misunderstood). How does it not make sense that I would want to clear this up right away, and after having cleared it up, have a normal understanding of all the other basic rules, which apply to all Mafia games?

It was actually beneficial for at least one other player that I asked about it, too, since he and I both thought LGB could double kill.

Now bear in mind I had a pretty big post in D3 where I made a big shout out to Septimus and he didn't even respond.

Also would like to bring this post up:

VOLUNTEER

I suspect I will be targeted if not lynched this day.

Why would he be targeted? he's been a source of suspicion since very early on. Makes me think (in order from most likely to least in my opinion)


1. He's KGB and is trying to play off as town/power role
2. He's town and not thinking logically
3. He's a power role that has a genuine worry of being hit by KGB,
4. He's a potential HP candidate (he did back out of volunteering quickly though)

 

[squidyj]

Vote: Haly

 

[Arkos]

I'm going to very cautiously go out on a limb here and listen to what squid face is saying. I still would like more feedback about it though, maybe I'm wrong.

Vote: Haly

 

[cabot]

It's a strategy known as "throwing a teammate under the bus".

If you think he's bussing why are you voting for squidy first?

Your scenario points to Haly almost assuredly being KGB, but you're willing to risk killing a potential cop instead because of a slip up?

Surely the best option by your logic would be to go for the busee, then based on the result, go after squidy.

 

[squidyj]

It's a strategy known as "throwing a teammate under the bus".

Bussing.... generally I wouldn't bus one of my better-hidden teammates, I would pick someone more obvious, if septimus or seath are mafia I'd bus them before I'd bus haly for example.

Like, I really want you guys to tell me what the upside is for mafia if

A. I'm mafia and Haly isn't
B. Haly and I are mafia together.

Because I'm not seeing it.

 

[Haly]

Okay, here's the deal, if I'm mafia I gain what? one day's lynch? is Haly such an important role that this really matters? You lynch Haly, see he's town, then lynch me and I turn out to be mafia.

I don't think you're mafia. You have been on my case since day 1, but haven't been able to gain any traction. Now you come forward with this thing at severe risk to yourself, but mess it up in the middle.

That tells me it's a gambit, like Topo's. I just don't get why now of all times, unless you had some sort of alt win-con as well. Like getting me lynched.

 

[Septimus Prime]

2. He's town and not thinking logically

It's this one, guys.

But that aside--since I know you don't believe me--what do we lose by looking into the squidy/Haly thing right now? There's a very good chance at least one of them is KGB.

 

[Hobohodo]

It's a strategy known as "throwing a teammate under the bus".

This early on would that be nessecery? We used that tactic last game with me being thrown under by the Mafia investigator but I was all ready gaining some suspicion from the majority of the group. I don't feel that either Haly or Squidy are in that position.

Now if I did wanna get my tinfoil hat on (this has come to me as posting so more of a thinking out loud) I seem to recall Haly saying he would be posting less due to new commitments? Would a mafia choose to bow out here but instead of asking for a replacement make his exit work for the team. I kinda doubt this though as Haly as been pretty active since saying this anyway.

 

[QuantumBro]

Okay, here's the deal, if I'm mafia I gain what? one day's lynch? is Haly such an important role that this really matters? You lynch Haly, see he's town, then lynch me and I turn out to be mafia.

Or you lynch me, see I'm cop and then lynch Haly and lose my ability to make investigations for the rest of the game.

If I'm mafia the only way I'm actually generating any credibility is if Haly and I are mafia together and I'm willing to straight up sacrifice him for it.

All around this might be a bad play by a town cop but it's stupendously fucking stupid for a mafia player. It's game-losing for mafia and I am not exaggerating. If I am mafia I am giving town the opportunity to go 1 for 1, lynch 1 town for 1 mafia.

Well why did you think it was a good idea to role claim this early in the game when you only had one confirmed KGB? You should've just soft claimed by voting for Haly.

You do realize that now you're probably not going to get any more reads off of people since there is a role blocker around, right?

 

[squidyj]

Bussing.... generally I wouldn't bus one of my better-hidden teammates, I would pick someone more obvious, if septimus or seath are mafia I'd bus them before I'd bus haly for example.

Like, I really want you guys to tell me what the upside is for mafia if

A. I'm mafia and Haly isn't
B. Haly and I are mafia together.

Because I'm not seeing it.

And then I'd like to hear what you think the best town-sided response to any scenario would be, because I don't think it's lynch squidyj

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Vote: Haly

So you are sticking with claiming Lana?
Do you have anything else to say?
Especially after the mission chat?
Where are you lying?

 

[squidyj]

Well why did you think it was a good idea to role claim this early in the game when you only had one confirmed KGB? You should've just soft claimed by voting for Haly.

You do realize that now you're probably not going to get any more reads off of people since there is a role blocker around, right?

Forgive me but did anyone but Topo confirm the existence of a role blocker? If I got role blocked I would probably ask to go on the subsequent missions, either the roleblocker has to go with me, or I get to check mission people.

 

[Mazre]

Well why did you think it was a good idea to role claim this early in the game when you only had one confirmed KGB? You should've just soft claimed by voting for Haly.

You do realize that now you're probably not going to get any more reads off of people since there is a role blocker around, right?

If there is a role blocker they've been decidedly pro town thus far.

 

[cabot]

Well why did you think it was a good idea to role claim this early in the game when you only had one confirmed KGB? You should've just soft claimed by voting for Haly.

You do realize that now you're probably not going to get any more reads off of people since there is a role blocker around, right?

He did vote for Haly out of the blue on D2, which I noticed. Thought it was odd at the time, but ignored it because I was set on Topo.

Oh I almost forgot.

Vote: Haly

So you are sticking with claiming Lana?
Do you have anything else to say?
Especially after the mission chat?
Where are you lying?

Did something come up in the chat?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Yes, if there is a role blocker, chances are whoever you blocked last night are KGB and the killer. Maybe stay quiet for the time being I guess.

 

[Mazre]

He did vote for Haly out of the blue on D2, which I noticed. Thought it was odd at the time, but ignored it because I was set on Topo.





Did something come up in the chat?

Except he's claiming he investigated him N2, so that vote would have had nothing to do with an investigation.

 

[cabot]

Except he's claiming he investigated him N2, so that vote would have had nothing to do with an investigation.

That was actually my bad, it was D3 not D2.

Post was made on Tuesday. I feel I should go to bed since I've clearly made too many mistakes.

 

[Mazre]

UNVOTE

Squidy, this is some serious Seath level mess you're creating, gonna back off for now. Need to reevaluate some things.

 

[squidyj]

So you are sticking with claiming Lana?
Do you have anything else to say?
Especially after the mission chat?
Where are you lying?

I was trying to protect myself in mission chat.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Vote: Haly

Sorry guys, its like too early here... I have some thoughts but its Sunday morning and I was boozing last night and the daydayday started at 7 AM my time ;_____;

Havent read thoroughly, but I think squidy's thingy is easy enough to prove by Haly's Mafianess. So Im with squidy on this!

Will be back later once i has coffee and my head clears a bit more





OH ALSO I STILL HATE YOU GUYS

........... for ending D3 earleeehhhh ..... it be messing up with the days and now the game starts on sunday morning instead of monday morning for me >:C

 

[cabot]

I am going to do as I said and go to bed and sleep on this, but yeah.

Summary of my thoughts:

- I want to trust squidy, but his farcical claim is making it tough to be absolute. I don't have much qualms in voting Haly, but I'll let more information come before changing my vote.
- Kris is showing some strange mixture of bad logic and intense aggro. I remember the beginning of D3, this happened with Ezekel and it raised flags, now it has raised more flags.
- I'll keep on Septimus, because I'm pretty sure he won't be dogpiled currently considering the situation.

 

[cabot]

Vote: Haly

Sorry guys, its like too early here... I have some thoughts but its Sunday morning and I was boozing last night and the daydayday started at 7 AM my time ;_____;

Havent read thoroughly, but I think squidy's thingy is easy enough to prove by Haly's Mafianess. So Im with squidy on this!

Will be back later once i has coffee and my head clears a bit more

OH ALSO I STILL HATE YOU GUYS

........... for ending D3 earleeehhhh ..... it be messing up with the days and now the game starts on sunday morning instead of monday morning for me >:C

You mean you read this thread when sober?

>:E

 

[Darryl]

I'll buy that.

VOTE: Haly

Lol

 

[QuantumBro]

I'm inclined to believe squidy, simply because if he was KGB, I find it hard to believe that none of him teammates caught that mistake. His playstyle doesn't really feel like he's playing a cop though.

 

[Arkos]

I was trying to protect myself in mission chat.

How exactly?

Answer or do not, I've been surprised by how little people ask about what actually goes on in the mission chat. It's not what you think. Sure there are sex parties and foreign (possibly under-age) prostitutes and green Russians, but there can be some relatively substantive stuff that goes on in there, according to my N1 experience.

How open do you think we should be (or should we expect others to be) about the contents of mission chat? It can be helpful to have "secret" side-discussions, but it can also be detrimental if the KGB are able to manipulate those discussions.

My question is very simple: is it more valuable to town to have the contents of the mission discussion kept "secret" or to have it be as open as possible? I can't figure it out myself and I'm not about to tell you about Palmer's massive boner anything that may or may not have happened, but I have been very surprised that a conversation about this topic has not taken place already.

Please don't let this be a derail, just... consider it.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

I am going to do as I said and go to bed and sleep on this, but yeah.

Summary of my thoughts:

- I want to trust squidy, but his farcical claim is making it tough to be absolute. I don't have much qualms in voting Haly, but I'll let more information come before changing my vote.
- Kris is showing some strange mixture of bad logic and intense aggro. I remember the beginning of D3, this happened with Ezekel and it raised flags, now it has raised more flags.
- I'll keep on Septimus, because I'm pretty sure he won't be dogpiled currently considering the situation.

Bad logic? Where?

We've caught him with his pants down. I'm going to be aggressive.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I was trying to protect myself in mission chat.

So you have nothing to say about anything else discussed?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Bad logic? Where?

We've caught him with his pants down. I'm going to be aggressive.

How have you caught me with my pants down?

 

[Spoiled Milk]

How have you caught me with my pants down?

Silly goose, I'm talking about squiddyj.

 

[squidyj]

I'm inclined to believe squidy, simply because if he was KGB, I find it hard to believe that none of him teammates caught that mistake. His playstyle doesn't really feel like he's playing a cop though.

Well lets unpack this then, Lets suggest for the moment that I might be a third party who wants Haly in particular dead for some reason but clearly I can't get the job done at night. This would suggest an executioner role. We just had Topo as Robin Hood and It's highly likely at this point that seath is neutral as well. I feel like that's a significant number of neutral roles foir starters.

From there, for this to be bad for town you would have to believe that Haly is town, that my role is anti-town. In this you would have to fall back on your reads of Haly vs your reads of me I think?

Anyways none of this is true. I'm not neutral, I'm Lana Kane. But I still like Cyril Figgis better so I'm not changing my avatar.

 

[squidyj]

So you have nothing to say about anything else discussed?

I don't really think there's anything else to say at this point, we gave some reads on certain other players in the game, I claimed a role to you guys that wasn't exactly true because I wanted to protect myself until the next day phase, we talked about some of the stuff that happened on previous missions, and I don't think any of it is particularly revelatory.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

squiddyj, what's your full role title? Be fast about it.

 

[squidyj]

How exactly?

Answer or do not, I've been surprised by how little people ask about what actually goes on in the mission chat. It's not what you think. Sure there are sex parties and foreign (possibly under-age) prostitutes and green Russians, but there can be some relatively substantive stuff that goes on in there, according to my N1 experience.

How open do you think we should be (or should we expect others to be) about the contents of mission chat? It can be helpful to have "secret" side-discussions, but it can also be detrimental if the KGB are able to manipulate those discussions.

My question is very simple: is it more valuable to town to have the contents of the mission discussion kept "secret" or to have it be as open as possible? I can't figure it out myself and I'm not about to tell you about Palmer's massive boner anything that may or may not have happened, but I have been very surprised that a conversation about this topic has not taken place already.

Please don't let this be a derail, just... consider it.

I think it's more interesting and valuable to keep information from missions back so that some players can analyze the behaviour of other players with special information in various circumstances. That imbalance of information can be quite valuable to town, as long as eventually the cards are revealed.