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Archer [Mafia] |OT| Wait, I Had Something For This
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EzekelRAGE
Member
Best to be kept secret, until you have something that contradicts what was said in mission chat and regular chat, like what we have here. Also what squidy said here:
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I'm waiting to see what Palmer thinks, but I'm leaning heavily towards voting squidy tbh. I can picture a situation where a plan like this works for KGB, but it's a reach. The plan being what squidy is doing right now. At this point in time, if there is another Lana who can counterclaim squidy, now would probably be the right time. Since we can arrange it to where Me/Lana/ and another person goes on a mission and let's lana look at ppl one by one.
Or is it Lana Kane, The Agent?
It's actually the first one but my point is who is going to be able to tell anything from that?
EzekelRAGE
Member
Also, another thing that has me doubting squidy is I talked about how I thought QB/Kris were scummish. Squidy mentioned how he feels QB is townie. Then he tries to cover for QB today as well.
EzekelRAGE
Member
I said that I do know, but nobody else would so me saying what it is doesn't mean anything because if I was lying I could make up anything that I wanted, that was my point.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
That's a good idea. I also would like whoever roleblocked KGB last night to do so again to the same person, and then reveal tomorrow. It's tough asking PRs to reveal but trading one PR for one KGB is, honestly, a good deal.
Anyway, to anyone still on the fence about squidy: he made a mistake. He saw that it was Day 4, thought "okay, I'm going to make up 4 investigations", and then posted. We caught him. Time to clean up and go home. And if he really is the cop and just did something idiotic, we'll lynch Haly tomorrow. There's not a whole lot else to discuss.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Are you saying we shouldn't vote for squidy or rush to vote for squidy?
that's literally the worst way to go about things. Yes I fucked up in the stupid thing that I tried to do. Yes I'm pretty fucking soaked right now. That doesn't make it a good idea to give up a potential cop over a potential ????
Sounds like squidyj is really tunneled in on Haly and thought he had no choice but to make a claim to draw attention. People going under the radar are really suspect. There's a handful of people who don't get scrutiny that I'm suspicious of.
I'd like to hear his argument against Haly.
I'd like to hear his argument against Haly.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Darryl/Squidy/Kriss who else are you guys suspicious of?
Kris, try to omit me since I'm sure everyone knows what your problem with me is.
Kris, try to omit me since I'm sure everyone knows what your problem with me is.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Lying about cop is not the way to do things. If he has an argument, he should have made that.
This is Mafia. We lynch liars.
Septimus
Seath
Enker
Hobohodo
TheGoddamn (even though I defended him early on he hasn't really done much and I grow less willing to excuse that)
At the point Gorlak's at, replacement of a replacement, I'm going to hold the past players actions in higher stead so Gorlak, he can still prove himself, but we'll see.
I'll have to go back through my notes and his activity, after I checked him on night 2 I didn't write as much down about him, just who I thought could reasonably be mafia with him (which is honestly pretty much anybody at this point, couldn't find any interactions or lack of interactions that I found particularly weird)
EzekelRAGE
Member
Do any of you have any bold predictions? Or was that from someone in the SW games?
I really should have kept up with that game while it was going on.
EzekelRAGE
Member
So Lana Kane, The Operative. And you get their alignment?
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
okaaaai so i kind-of-sort-of caught up
ugeh my head is hurty right now >____<
squidy, quick question, when you inves peeps, do you gets the role's name or the role's alignment?
ugeh my head is hurty right now >____<
squidy, quick question, when you inves peeps, do you gets the role's name or the role's alignment?
alignment only.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
that was redhoody :>
EzekelRAGE
Member
My bold prediction someone is lying.
Sign on the door as you came in said Mafia. so.... yeah.
EzekelRAGE
Member
He claimed something else in chat.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
thankie squidypoo
okai, guys! i think even if we doubt squidy, we should give his leads some trust! cuz i read in the pandaramas' game they gots a lead from their sleepwalker and they followed thru and they gots one of their naughty schoolboys.... so, i rather not risk our potential inves PR and give squidy benefit of doubt! since it's easily proveable by haly's truthiness
squidy, if haly flips Agency, you know im gonna be the one marching you to the noose, right? >:O
also ! also !
looks like we may be able to get two thingies to test out by tomorrow's start! 1. squidy's copness; and 2. if ER isn't on the mission tonight and he dies cuz the honeypot strikes~.... then it'll tell us something
(... kris may give us a spectacle of epic tears of regret for doubting our Sterling? that'll be a thingy to behold XD)whatchu guys think
I ruminated over this claim over dinner and could only think of one probable narrative.
If his claim was successful, he would've killed me and secured a spot on the mission. Once I flip town, he'll get lynched immediately on D5... so his end game must be on the mission for N4. I thought it was to HP Ezekel until I remembered he was on a prior mission.
Why now? I'm trying to think of a reason for that. This 2-for-1 sacrifice seems planned, so it couldn't have been in response to the nokill on N3.
If his claim was successful, he would've killed me and secured a spot on the mission. Once I flip town, he'll get lynched immediately on D5... so his end game must be on the mission for N4. I thought it was to HP Ezekel until I remembered he was on a prior mission.
Why now? I'm trying to think of a reason for that. This 2-for-1 sacrifice seems planned, so it couldn't have been in response to the nokill on N3.
TheGoddamn
Member
Vote: Haly
This cop roleclaim immediately puts squidy and Haly on the chopping block, and the trade for 1 town and 1 mafia is a great deal.
There are two possible situations:
Situation 1:
squidy is mafia
Haly is town
Situation 2:
squidy is cop
Haly is mafia
In the event that squidy is a cop, cop is more valuable than vanilla town. And if Haly turns out to be town, then we lynch squidy tomorrow.
(Squidy and Haly could also both be mafia and creating drama, but that's incredibly risky; there's no guarantee that some other issue will pop up and result in someone else other than them getting lynched.)
I'll talk about something else squidy said in his messed up roleclaim later (that, oddly enough, makes me more inclined to trust him), when I am on my computer so I can multi quote more easily.
Fake edit: I see you suspect me, Squid, but that doesn't change my vote, because that would be dumb.
This cop roleclaim immediately puts squidy and Haly on the chopping block, and the trade for 1 town and 1 mafia is a great deal.
There are two possible situations:
Situation 1:
squidy is mafia
Haly is town
Situation 2:
squidy is cop
Haly is mafia
In the event that squidy is a cop, cop is more valuable than vanilla town. And if Haly turns out to be town, then we lynch squidy tomorrow.
(Squidy and Haly could also both be mafia and creating drama, but that's incredibly risky; there's no guarantee that some other issue will pop up and result in someone else other than them getting lynched.)
I'll talk about something else squidy said in his messed up roleclaim later (that, oddly enough, makes me more inclined to trust him), when I am on my computer so I can multi quote more easily.
Fake edit: I see you suspect me, Squid, but that doesn't change my vote, because that would be dumb.
....I think it's very interesting that you've worked up this narrative about me getting on the mission.
When I haven't volunteered.
uno momento
It would've been too late to volunteer once Ezekel talks his way onto the mission. That would just be a lot more suspicious, you know?
And it's disconcerting that you're leaving yourself open to a NK despite claiming cop. It doesn't match, you see. As cop, you should secure a spot first then do your scum hunting, not the other way around.
And it's disconcerting that you're leaving yourself open to a NK despite claiming cop. It doesn't match, you see. As cop, you should secure a spot first then do your scum hunting, not the other way around.
Aww squidy, I thought we were friends. I know cabbeh doesnt like me.
There is a specific reason I have avoided saying much until now, which of course makes me a suspicious fellow to some but its better then the alternative. Think of me like Elsa pre ending of Frozen.
If three people post asking me to I can claim my specific game character. Right now Ill mention that it is a character from Archer, Im not a weird Neutral person.
Thanks Ouro!
The last thing I want is for today to end in the first 24h, just want to make sure we don't get a majority on Haly right away.
I haven't seen frozen and you're giving a lot of information suggesting to mafia that you're a powerful town role.
The last thing I want is for today to end in the first 24h, just want to make sure we don't get a majority on Haly right away.
I haven't seen frozen and you're giving a lot of information suggesting to mafia that you're a powerful town role.
EzekelRAGE
Member
It could still be about trying to attack me possibly? He sat on the information about you possibly being KGB for a full day? Why? Maybe I missed it. But if he did this yesterday it would make more sense.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
whatchu doingggggg
why peeps be dropping their roles left and right~ why why (protip: roles arent pants! dont be dropping them so easily!)
..... elsa ??? before or after costume change? :> (omg i didn realise u r THAT pretty *____*)
The topo fiasco. As much as an SK can speed up mafia wins, they're still unpredictable so it was best if he got lynched first. It's not like a real threat.
the topo fiasco is correct, but more that I am a town player who saw Topo going down from Day 2 when he was like "i'll say some shit tomorrow" after being super flakey. I figured he was going to implode.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Yea, just saw his post about it, and forgot about ETmyself.
Still waiting on Darryl/Kris' bold predictions and Palmer's thoughts as well. If Squid is telling the truth it could lead to two KGB maybe. Your thoughts while you are here Haly?
EzekelRAGE
Member
Squidy why not wait until there were other developments before claiming such a powerful role? As the situation stands, if we believed you, we would need to organize a way for you to get on the mission. That means at least two ppl would have to drop from the current mission for you to get on. This isn't like my Archer claim where I felt pressured from being targeted N1, there was no pressure on you at all.
Dont worry Ynnny, I read the Mafia wiki basics. No role claim will be had at all other then to say I am a Townie. If that gets me killed tonight or some other night then at least we spared the Cop or another power role.
I am curious if anyone would actually ASK me for my name, hence why I will only do it if 3 people ask. Id consider them quite suspicious because, as you note, it is anti-Town behavior.
And, after costume change =)
I've already given them. If I had to sum up why I don f believe this claim, it'd be that squid's play isn't cop. Vengeful villager, sure, like he was last game. Or bulletproof like you.
Cop? No.
He's a noisemaker. When your role is as powerful as cop, you don't stir up trouble. You lay low and try to look nom-threatening. While this can backfire for a lot of roles, cop and doctor are two claims that make people stand up and take notice. Even better if you can bring tangible results. His play is pro-town, yes, but vanilla town. Not cop town.
Furthermore, he's painted a target on his back for the rest of the game to, do what, get one mafia? I think we can all agree that squid is a strong player and a strong player with a strong PR is borderline OP. Even, and this is a hypothetical, if I was mafia, he effectively neutered himself. I, in his place, would've waited a few more days for more results than throwing it all on one guy in the early game.
Cop? No.
He's a noisemaker. When your role is as powerful as cop, you don't stir up trouble. You lay low and try to look nom-threatening. While this can backfire for a lot of roles, cop and doctor are two claims that make people stand up and take notice. Even better if you can bring tangible results. His play is pro-town, yes, but vanilla town. Not cop town.
Furthermore, he's painted a target on his back for the rest of the game to, do what, get one mafia? I think we can all agree that squid is a strong player and a strong player with a strong PR is borderline OP. Even, and this is a hypothetical, if I was mafia, he effectively neutered himself. I, in his place, would've waited a few more days for more results than throwing it all on one guy in the early game.
ok, fine, you know best how much of a target for mafia you might be.
I'm not sure why you're bringing up the mission now when I have no intention of getting on the mission tonight. I could have waited but I didn't think there was going to be anything today. Nothing huge. anyways, and I wanted to give town something to work with in terms of mafia behavior.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
Yeee i thought Haly said he wouldn't be available cuz vacay or something. But. Anyway, now that I'm sober (sort-of) I'll go back and reread my notes on Haly's posts~ wauuu~~~
Oh i see! :> Risky though~ Okies, hope you knows what u doing
EzekelRAGE
Member
Ok, I'm cool with lettign it ride on Haly I guess.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
There aren't a lot of people I am willing to point to because we have no idea for certain the identity of a single KGB member. There are, however, patterns of defense and aggression between particular people, and whether I consider them ISIS or KGB is contingent on who our first KGB lynchee is. Because of that, and because I don't want to modify behavior, I am not going to put those people under pressure or state my confidence in their alignment until we've settled what is the obvious, huge issue in front of us (no, I'm not talking about Pam).
There are the non-contributors. I know mafia is hard to keep up with, but MikeHawk peeks in at the beginning and end of days and doesn't contribute a whole lot other than that. The same applies to TheGoddamn, who needs to be policy lynched for having less posts than people who have been replaced for being inactive. But the reason why I think he is suspicious and not merely inactive is because he posts just enough to be "contributing".
There are the weird players, who make me uneasy. We have not yet fully resolved the Seath question. I am postponing him until after squidyj, because his "gotcha" toward the latter means that if squidyj is KGB, Seath is likely not. I also don't like the way Septimus Prime is playing. His votes are nonsensical. He posts at weird times. He does not contribute substantially on issues. I am quite wary of him.
I do have some qualms about Haly. He posts a fair bit, but he doesn't actually drive the discussion anywhere. He clarifies, posts jokes, concurs, but I can't say I actually find him being... useful. He's just there, a lot of the time, and pleasant. However, I'm reading this as cautious playing, and I have to say that squidyj is much more likely to be a lying scumbag for his four night gaff. So I'm urging everyone to vote for him, and if we are wrong we can lynch Haly. But I doubt we will be, because no cop would lie to us in the manner squiddyj has. If he is actually an investigative role, then I think everyone can forgive me for not trusting the manipulative cop.
The rest of the players I have not mentioned are either good in my book or not discernible until squiddyj has been resolved. In the case of the latter, I will post my opinion about who to vote for and who to trust once we get closer to the end of the day.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
I am NOT cool with letting it ride on Haly.
Ask yourself this: under what circumstance would a cop make the mistake that squiddyj would? Now, under what circumstance would a KGB make the same mistake?
EzekelRAGE
Member
Idk.
If he isn't the cop, but still townie and just randomly called out Haly, then any plan he had that would benefit town would be very slim considering Haly wouldn't flip KGB.
If he isn't the cop, but still townie and just randomly called out Haly, then any plan he had that would benefit town would be very slim considering Haly wouldn't flip KGB.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Exactly. But being KGB, such a vote could confuse and disorient. Perhaps he, and KGB, know that Haly has a power role. If he does, he should tell us now, since that is the only reason KGB would throw themselves at one person so hard.
There's no way he can be the cop because a cop wouldn't lie to us like that. I mean, it's just fucking bonkers, you know? So he's either KGB or non cop town and you just explained why the latter makes no sense.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
I take it back. KGB might target Haly because a kill against him failed (in fact, that could have been last night's kill!!!) and they're convinced he's actually bulletproof or has some role that blocked them. So regardless of what the role is, which they don't know, they're trying to get him lynched today with a mad attempt at fake cop claims.
So Haly, don't role claim if you have one.
So Haly, don't role claim if you have one.