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[thepotatoman]

I think 99% of internet pro wrestling fans would probably be considered transformative fans. Everyone has their own ideas on what characters the wrestlers should be and where those characters should go.

Personally, I love both "wouldn't it be cool if" conversations and "what is the correct cannon" conversations.

 

[Currygan]

I guess I'm curative, the whole fanfic world doesn't interest me in the slightest. To me, only the author's vision is logically valid and worth discussing about

 

[Kwixotik]

I'll make a big post when I'm done cooking dinner, but I don't think its trying to start a male vs female thing. Yeah, dudes are critical of female fandom, maybe because they don't understand it. Not liking a thing doesn't make you wrong somehow. How you enjoy a thing doesn't either.

Calling people stupid or trash for something they like I think is wrong, but that's just me being overly nice.

If you're gonna call somebody trash, they better have done some pretty shitty things on a fairly consistent basis. Liking something you don't like definitely doesn't qualify lol.

 

[BKatastrophe]

I'd suppose curative, but only because I don't like reading fanfiction, I don't spend time looking for fanart, and I'm not a fan of shipping.

I do love speculation and analysis though. Just, not through the means of fanfiction or fanart.

 

[Timeaisis]

What if you just like things...?

 

[Sibylus]

Transformative fans write the fucking Odyssey, motherfuckers!

*puts feet on table*

 

[BlueDogAnchorite]

I am a male, and I tend to like shipping, read fanfictions, etc. I like the canon too. I read some very good fanfiction, and very bad fanfiction. I ship Castiel/Dean too So I guess I am both curative, and transformative. ^^

 

[BKatastrophe]

What if you just like things...?

 

[PaulloDEC]

Curative. I'm not really into debates of the "who is better than/could defeat who" kind, but I much prefer letting the creators do the creating on an existing IP.

It's more interesting to me to either create something totally new on my own or explore an existing IP in detail than it is to edit or add to an IP that someone else created.

 

[jgwhiteus]

Transformative fans write the fucking Odyssey, motherfuckers!

*puts feet on table*

The Odyssey reference just reminded me of something: The "Aeneid" by Virgil is basically a fan-fiction of Homer's "Iliad". It's an author who lived hundreds of years after Homer's time writing a "What If?" story that took a side character and turned it into "The Further Adventures Of Aeneas".

And some people point out that most classical art is really just "fan-art" of the Bible ("How do YOU imagine this scene looked?"), and a lot of art took liberties with what was in the source text.

Yeah, it's tongue-in-cheek, but sometimes it's important to remember that transformative works aren't anything new, and that a lot of well-regarded historical and classical works could be categorized as the same thing.

 

[squidyj]

I guess I'm more of a critic than a fan then? I don't really care to belong to either group? I like shows or things because they excel. I don't really care about rorschach or Nite Owl and facts of their selves but how they become part of Alan Moore's narrative and what Moore is trying to say in The Watchmen, how poorly or skillfully he's revealing some aspect of the human condition, how it fits into the broader pop-culture scheme. The influences on it and the influence it has had and why it might resonate with people.

 

[Unbounded]

Transformative fans write the fucking Odyssey, motherfuckers!

*puts feet on table*

Transformative fans also wrote Twilight and 50 shades.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

Guess I'm sort of both.

I know a lot of the solid facts about franchises I like, but I also like to sort of brainstorm ways they can be changed up. I don't think I'm too stuck in my ways, really. I think I probably fall more into the transformative side, though. I'm white, and male, but I've struggled with gender identity issues and such so I think I could be considered not the typical sort of white guy.

As a kid, for example, I loved always thinking of ways that different episodes of Looney Toons could've ended...for example, I always felt sorry for Daffy, so I thought of scenarios where he'd win against Bugs. I remember when I was especially young, and hadn't really quite figured out how television worked, I always got upset when an episode I had seen before ended in the same way, and felt sad I couldn't change the ending this time around.

 

[Chezzymann]

Both, I wonder what will happen next, who's stronger, etc, and I also make fan art and wonder what would happen if certain things were different or imagine ways a show will pan out.

 

[Atraveller]

TV series > the books.

COME AT ME BRO

lol no

am coming at you

 

[Kitsunebaby]

I'm a cosplayer, but that's really just an extension of my art hobby, and less about fandom. I don't really think I fit into either of those descriptions. I've definitely seen them both in action, though.

 

[Sibylus]

Transformative fans also wrote Twilight and 50 shades.

I think we know which will stand the test of time.

 

[Kimaka]

Both, but it depends on what is discussed or being changed. I don't give a shit about how transporters from Star Trek work or if they really could have fixed the Enterprise's malfunctioning engines by shooting anti-protons into the warp core or whatever the fuck. I'm more interested in how the world works on a social and political level and how characters interact with each other.

As for fandom, the only thing I usually want to change about a story is romance related so I primarily read shipping fanfics. If the media satisfies that or doesn't have any characters that I want together, I don't feel the need to read or write any. Also, the fanfic can't be too far away from canon. Slight changes are fine, but I dislike putting characters into different universes or time periods unless the world supports that.

Transformative fans also wrote Twilight and 50 shades.

Twilight isn't fanfic.

 

[jgwhiteus]

Transformative fans also wrote Twilight and 50 shades.

I think just 50 Shades, though - Twilight is the original.

I'd point out that in comic books especially, there are tons of "alternate universe" stories that reimagine iconic characters in different timelines or with different relationships, or that change continuity, etc., but they're usually not treated with the same derision with which fanfiction concepts are treated. DC and Marvel both have had similar "What If?" lines of comics (I think DC's is "Elseworlds"?), and you don't (usually) hear complaints about "Well how can they change the story like that?!" Because it's coming from an officially-sanctioned source from officially-sanctioned writers and authors (even if the quality of those creators' output isn't... great), nobody blinks an eye at those types of works, and they "get" why they're created and why they might be interesting. But it makes you question - why does it matter so much whether a story is "officially sanctioned" as to whether you can enjoy it? If some freelance artist wants to create a fan-comic (for free!) that I think has great art and a great storyline, am I supposed to look down on it because it didn't come with an official publisher seal of approval?

I'll also say - sometimes I'll read arguments against portraying a comic or TV character as being of a different race / gender / sexuality, whatever, and the argument will come up that it's "against canon" or "not realistic" or "doesn't respect the character". And it's like - the same canon that's been retconned several times over, with several continuity gaps? The same "realism" that allows people to have superhuman powers or be possessed by ghosts? The same character that is fine sleeping with attractive female aliens from different galaxies, but good lord the concept of him being attracted to a human male is too kinky?

I mean, so many TV and movie writers get criticized for not even being able to respect or follow their own continuity, so why should fans be criticized for playing with it? And creators' "visions" and "intent" are rarely set in stone from the start; they change over time (and sometimes their ideas get pulled out of their asses). So I don't know - I can completely respect the energy and effort that go into creating original works like books and TV shows, and I have fun doing a deep-dive into the details of what those creators have made, but I also don't hold those works to be sacred cows with fixed canons descended from the heavens that are violated by someone using their imagination with them.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Definitely curative. Unless I want to watch some porn/hentai involving said comic/movie/game etc.

 

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[TL: DR Enjoy a thing how you like and please don't shit on other people for enjoying it differently.

It's hard not to have at least a slight attitude of superiority when you see people obsessing and spending so much time on media you interpret as genuinely awful or second-rate (be it fan-fic or pro-fic). Someone who's read every officially sanctioned Star Wars novel is really no better or worse than someone who spends all day reading Star Wars fanfics.

But fuck it I'm reading NeoGAF for hours a day instead of Dostoyevsky so it's not like I'm that much better.

 

[Kimaka]

I'd point out that in comic books especially, there are tons of "alternate universe" stories that reimagine iconic characters in different timelines or with different relationships, or that change continuity, etc., but they're usually not treated with the same derision with which fanfiction concepts are treated. DC and Marvel both have had similar "What If?" lines of comics (I think DC's is "Elseworlds"?), and you don't (usually) hear complaints about "Well how can they change the story like that?!" Because it's coming from an officially-sanctioned source from officially-sanctioned writers and authors (even if the quality of those creators' output isn't... great), nobody blinks an eye at those types of works, and they "get" why they're created and why they might be interesting. But it makes you question - why does it matter so much whether a story is "officially sanctioned" as to whether you can enjoy it? If some freelance artist wants to create a fan-comic (for free!) that I think has great art and a great storyline, am I supposed to look down on it because it didn't come with an official publisher seal of approval?

Completely agreed. Fan works being turned 'official' somehow not being considered fanfiction is something I have trouble understanding. Just because they are given money to write something doesn't mean that it stops being a fan work. Any work that isn't created by the creator is fanfiction. New Star Wars movies that everyone is hyped about? Fanfiction, but most fans don't see it that way. Funny enough, they actually are overjoyed that Lucas isn't involved. Then you have numerous critically acclaimed movies, television shows, and books that are based upon another work which is all that fanfiction really is.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

OK, now I demand you post some fanart.

is the only one i has link to atm.... it's a fanart of the protagonist in H.Pro's book "Dead Endings"

oh there's also this. but i think i failed in capturing the character well :x... i tried though ;___;

Spoiler

its sadako

i like keeping as close to canon as possible when creating fanarts... but not so when im consuming :>

lol no

am coming at you

waaaaaaaah scary ;___;

*runs away*

the books are full with fillerly chapters >:O

 

[The Technomancer]

How about...constructive? Taking inspiration from the source material but not the iconography of the material itself?

 

[jgwhiteus]

Great post, but this last part is 100% true for me as well. I'm excited when a new season of Sherlock comes out. I can also get excited when a fic I subbed is updated.

Thanks - and I think that's even more appropriate in Sherlock's case, because the freaking TV show is a reimagined fan-fiction (I'm sorry, "adaptation") of Doyle's works. It's already throwing away "canon" by setting the story in modern times, and it's one particular creative team's take on how the stories might play out, so it feels hypocritical to give others crap about taking that reimagining one step further just because they don't work for the BBC.

And I don't like framing it as a 'men vs women' thing either, because there are people on both sides that defy the stereotype. But a lot of research has been done on fandom because it's odd majority of women. People suddenly saw a ton of women writing and creating things, and wondered why. The first of the modern fanfics (and fanvids) were created by women Star Trek fans. Why? It's an interesting point to approach from, and most people have decided it's because women want more than what they are getting from media. We don't have porn for us, we have trashy romance novels that are lack luster. We don't have dramatic programs that are made with us in mind. So some women like to review the text form their point of view. Either to titillate or to tell parts of the story they think are important but didn't get enough screen time. Or because they want to read about two hot dudes fucking. Whatever. It's a neat thing to look at, and I don't see it as a 'war' at all. Curative fandom is awesome, I am sure a ton of transformative fandom uses stuff they've written (wiki's, blog posts, screencaps, etc) as research on one thing or another.

Yeah, and an interesting contradiction on the Reddit guy's theory is that the transformative works that some fans create aren't necessarily intended to address the lack of representation. When some women fic authors out there write stories, they don't insert women characters; slash authors will just take the male characters and imagine them with different sexualities. And for some people who've explained it, it has less to do with "wanting to see themselves in the story" than with feeling that the stock heterosexual romance in the work is simplistic and unsatisfying (usually with an underdeveloped female lead), and that the male characters - whom have been given more character development / screen-time / backstories / motivations, etc. - make for a more satisfying pairing (also, they're hot). And there are some books and shows - I think Farscape was mentioned as one - where you see very little "slash" activity because the fandom is by and large satisfied with the heterosexual relationship that's been presented by the creators.

 

[GamerSoul]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidding

It starts with imagining some form of media to music. It's all downhill from there.

Well confession time ...I did use to watch AMVs for a certain game series growing up for a period of time, when I was very much into a series. So I guess that explains why I get those ideas to this day. Even one of my more elaborate story ideas originally stemmed from me wanting a sequel to the game because I was so entrenched in its story. I never thought about it before. :0 wow. I feel liked you solved a piece of my creative life. lol. I need to go lay down.

I haven't created any physical work though so maybe ill be ok. hah

TL: DR Enjoy a thing how you like and please don't shit on other people for enjoying it differently.

Agreed. Even though I don't necessarily understand the whole elaborate fanfics involving shipping and stuff, who I am to judge? It wasn't written for me. And the creativity and writing skills involved in writing those fanfics could always translate to greater unique works down the road.

 

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I'd point out that in comic books especially, there are tons of "alternate universe" stories that reimagine iconic characters in different timelines or with different relationships, or that change continuity, etc., but they're usually not treated with the same derision with which fanfiction concepts are treated. DC and Marvel both have had similar "What If?" lines of comics (I think DC's is "Elseworlds"?), and you don't (usually) hear complaints about "Well how can they change the story like that?!" Because it's coming from an officially-sanctioned source from officially-sanctioned writers and authors (even if the quality of those creators' output isn't... great), nobody blinks an eye at those types of works, and they "get" why they're created and why they might be interesting. But it makes you question - why does it matter so much whether a story is "officially sanctioned" as to whether you can enjoy it? If some freelance artist wants to create a fan-comic (for free!) that I think has great art and a great storyline, am I supposed to look down on it because it didn't come with an official publisher seal of approval?

Anything not written by the original person that wrote it is fanfiction. People just don't get it.

For most people "Fan fiction" is completely synonymous with "amateur fiction". Which is why it's so summarily dismissed. People think of it as a tone deaf Mary-Sue short story pounded out by someone with no formal training as a writer. Or they think of a tedious, poorly edited Star Wars fan film where someone's local park is meant to be a fantastic alien world. In the case of written fiction, the barrier to entry is so low that the market is flooded with poor products that negatively affect people's perception of fan fiction. In the case of film, the barrier to entry is so high that it's virtually impossible to make something that looks good (let alone write and tell a good story).

Fan fiction that has professional writing and production values (Elementary, Sherlock, James Bond) isn't met with many objections because they are up to a Hollywood standard. Same deal with the "What If" or "Elseworlds" comic books. Obviously copyright issues prevent us from ever really knowing what the public reaction would be to an unofficial (but still professional) take on a more modern intellectual property.

For some though the official approval is still important. The widow to the author of the Girl With The Dragon Tattoo was (IMO) shafted out of the intellectual property rights to that series of books. Nevertheless the series is being continued with a new author. I certainly won't consider the new novel to be canon, and I will probably endeavor to buy a used copy of any new books should I ever want to bother reading them.

 

[FUME5]

is the only one i has link to atm.... it's a fanart of the protagonist in H.Pro's book "Dead Endings"

oh there's also this. but i think i failed in capturing the character well :x... i tried though ;___;

Spoiler

its sadako

i like keeping as close to canon as possible when creating fanarts... but not so when im consuming :>



waaaaaaaah scary ;___;

*runs away*

the books are full with fillerly chapters >:O

Nice work!

You want help with Atraveller, I've got your back - although books = show in my opinion.

At least Mofatt has admitted he's writing fanfiction and told fans he has no problem with slash fic, even went so far as to say some were really good.

Your last bit there...I honestly never thought of it that way, but you are right I think. Expanding on it: Women don't really have porn aimed at them. So some feel the need to create their own. For a lot of women, the reason porn in general doesn't do anything for us is because we need emotional connection in order to get what we want out of it; two random people fucking isn't the same as an epic romance with angst and UST and two fully realized characters. Slash happens a lot because the male characters are more fully realized; we know them better, they have better storylines and development. For shows like Sherlock, it's either that or...Molly? Mrs. Hudson? Heh.

If they are hot, bonus

I find it super odd that men are totally fine with the fact that a lot of men like lesbian porn, but are SHOCKED and appalled when they find out about slash. It's very weird.

Eh, I assume that subverting what men perceive as masculine characters is very threatening to some people. Especially those who don't have a fully formed self identity.

 

[akachan ningen]

Transformative, definitely. I don't see the point in gathering tons of trivial knowledge about anything. Especially when it can usually be looked up quickly.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

At least Mofatt has admitted he's writing fanfiction and told fans he has no problem with slash fic, even went so far as to say some were really good.

Your last bit there...I honestly never thought of it that way, but you are right I think. Expanding on it: Women don't really have porn aimed at them. So some feel the need to create their own. For a lot of women, the reason porn in general doesn't do anything for us is because we need emotional connection in order to get what we want out of it; two random people fucking isn't the same as an epic romance with angst and UST and two fully realized characters. Slash happens a lot because the male characters are more fully realized; we know them better, they have better storylines and development. For shows like Sherlock, it's either that or...Molly? Mrs. Hudson? Heh.

If they are hot, bonus

I find it super odd that men are totally fine with the fact that a lot of men like lesbian porn, but are SHOCKED and appalled when they find out about slash. It's very weird.

Yeah, all this. Specially the last part.


Edit: Thanks FUME5!!! NOW WE CAN GANG UP ON ATRAVELLER! muhuhahahahaha.



well tbh i like the books too but less so lately. seems like with every volumes, there are too much meandering and not much happening. i wants it to be like book 1 again pls

 

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Something I figure you should know: Mary Sue fic is anathema in the fanfic world too. It's such a huge thing that people won't tag a fic with 'original character' even if there are random OCs floating about because no one will read it.

I know that Mary Sue is specifically defined as an out-of-context author surrogate that breaks the universe's rules. I guess when I use that "Mary Sue" term here though I just sort of mean any plot development or relationship that's really obviously meant to pander to audience desires (particularly niche desires) at the expense of not fitting in at all with tones and characterizations established in canon works. This need not be a sexual or fetish thing -- maybe somebody just thought they would enjoy Hogwart's more if Ron was the Chosen One and Harry got to ride a dragon that kills Delores Umbridge.

Slash happens a lot because the male characters are more fully realized; we know them better, they have better storylines and development. For shows like Sherlock, it's either that or...Molly? Mrs. Hudson? Heh.

As long as Irene Adler exists, this is an insufficient excuse for making homoerotic Sherlock fiction.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

I know that Mary Sue is specifically defined as an out-of-context author surrogate that breaks the universe's rules. I guess when I use that "Mary Sue" term here though I just sort of mean any plot development or relationship that's really obviously meant to pander to audience desires (particularly niche desires) at the expense of not fitting in at all with tones and characterizations established in canon works. This need not be a sexual or fetish thing -- maybe somebody just thought they would enjoy Hogwart's more if Ron was the Chosen One and Harry got to ride a dragon that kills Delores Umbridge.



As long as Irene Adler exists, this is an insufficient excuse for making homoerotic Sherlock fiction.

But Irene was unattainable to Sherlock in the canon. Whilst his devotion and friendship with Watson is terribly palpable.

I dislike how they always twist Irene to be siren-like lady in modern interpretation. She was a formidable woman who actually defeated Sherlock in intelligence. But no, in BBC Sherlock, Sherlock has to go out of his way and saved her in the middle east somewhere.

IDK.

BLEH I SAY. B L E H.

 

[Kimaka]

Everyone has their things

I just hate when people get all up in arms about stuff. Like console wars. I don't get it. You like Xbox? Awesome. You like PS? That's cool! PC? What's your steam id? I game on all three. To some people, that makes me less of a gamer than someone who is PS4 exclusive.



Most of the movies coming out lately are fanfiction. Yes even Avengers. Reboots? Fanfiction. Anything not written by the original person that wrote it is fanfiction. People just don't get it.

And Shakespeare wrote RPF.

It is pretty silly to call people into fan works dumb or creepy when so much of media isn't original.

 

[GamerJM]

Definitely curative. I'm just not creative enough to be transformative and my brain works in more of a curative, analysis-esque way I guess.

I'm fine with transformative work and understand why it exists, and I don't really give a shit about canon (nor do I give a shit about most fanfics to be honest, I'm just fine with it). I just like analysis more than anything when discussing games/movies/anime/etc.

 

[jgwhiteus]

For most people "Fan fiction" is completely synonymous with "amateur fiction". Which is why it's so summarily dismissed. People think of it as a tone deaf Mary-Sue short story pounded out by someone with no formal training as a writer. Or they think of a tedious, poorly edited Star Wars fan film where someone's local park is meant to be a fantastic alien world. In the case of written fiction, the barrier to entry is so low that the market is flooded with poor products that negatively affect people's perception of fan fiction. In the case of film, the barrier to entry is so high that it's virtually impossible to make something that looks good (let alone write and tell a good story).

Fan fiction that has professional writing and production values (Elementary, Sherlock, James Bond) isn't met with many objections because they are up to a Hollywood standard. Same deal with the "What If" or "Elseworlds" comic books. Obviously copyright issues prevent us from ever really knowing what the public reaction would be to an unofficial (but still professional) take on a more modern intellectual property.

For some though the official approval is still important. The widow to the author of the Girl With The Dragon Tattoo was (IMO) shafted out of the intellectual property rights to that series of books. Nevertheless the series is being continued with a new author. I certainly won't consider the new novel to be canon, and I will probably endeavor to buy a used copy of any new books should I ever want to bother reading them.

Oh, I completely agree - there's just a lot of crap out there, and the barrier to entry is low. There's also just too much of it, so you have to learn how to filter through and find the best stuff, through recommendations / upvotes, whatever. But if you are able to find that stuff - I usually tell people they're missing out on some really great content that's completely free, that in many cases outclasses the quality of the source material (this is especially true if you watch crap TV like I do, again thinking of Teen Wolf).

And in terms of art - I am constantly amazed at what amateur artists are able to accomplish these days, especially with the advent of digital tools and tablets that let enthusiasts - many of them teenagers - mimic the brush techniques, coloring, and linework of professional illustrators and painters without having to spend money on supplies and materials. You also have actual professional artists (and professional authors, for that matter) putting out fan-works as a sort of break or side-hobby from their jobs.

For me it's more of a practical issue of finding the good stuff among all the crap, rather than wondering about / caring that none of it's "official".

 

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But yeah -- "Mary Sue" wasn't quite the right word. Is there a term or a tag in fanfic communites you would use to describe a work that is very divergent from canon in terms of characterization or tone? Is there a term for works that very closely follow canon?

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

But yeah -- "Mary Sue" wasn't quite the right word. Is there a term or a tag in fanfic communites you would use to describe a word that is very divergent from canon in terms of characterization or tone? Is there a term for works that very closely follow canon?

In some circles, it is known as IC and OOC, I think? IDK though. I havent been active in many fandoms.

IC - in character
OOC - out of character

 

[Kimaka]

But yeah -- "Mary Sue" wasn't quite the right word. Is there a term or a tag in fanfic communites you would use to describe a word that is very divergent from canon in terms of characterization or tone? Is there a term for works that very closely follow canon?

OOC (Out of Character) for characters that are off from canon. Not sure if there is a term for following canon besides saying that it is close to canon. There is IC (In Character) but that is mostly used to indicate that you are speaking as yourself during a roleplay session.

 

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I'd also point out that at least in the threads on NeoGAF, there was pretty significant fan anger and pushback in regards to the Watchmen prequels that DC published a couple years ago. I'm not sure how those books fared commercially or critically -- I guess it says something that DC didn't do any more of them, and apparently cancelled 1 of them before it was published.

 

[Evilisk]

I guess I'd be both. I'm just as interested in the canon of a show/game as I am in what the fandom has to offer for it (though I'll be honest, I'm usually too embarrassed to ever actually upload the fan fics or art that I do since I'm an amateur at creating either). I don't really understand how anyone could think that fan works could devalue the source material, I find it's part of the experience, seeing how a work influences people (whether they get interested enough to create fics, art or theories or whether they just find it enjoyable or not).

Except for shipping.

Shipping is just UGH.

I mean I'm not saying that I hate shipping, buuuut I hate shipping. I have yet to come across a single fandom (and I've been through a lot) that's had a tolerable shipping base.

 

[fredrancour]

One "fanfiction" style thing that came to me really naturally watching battle anime as a kid was extrapolating new stuff within the show's rules for amazing fantastical acts of violence and other superhuman nonsense. This imagination fuel aspect was one part of why anime was so addictive at that age for me (though there were several others).

As far as imagining characters or plot went, I would usually dream up the bare minimum needed to justify the custom powers and not go very much further.

I also think the habit superhero comics have of using alternate universes and what-if stories like Elseworlds is an awesome one. I guess this hasn't drastically altered the fan base's expectations itself, though- even if people will buy something like Red Son or The Dark Knight Returns, they still often care strongly about having a defined main universe for those books.

Maybe that's not unreasonable, though. When the laws of physics are so malleable, perhaps iron-clad long-term storytelling is what's needed to minimize the danger of everything feeling like nonsense.

oh well. the money spent on western comics is still a drop in thenm bucket compared to what movies make anyway.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Why do people hate shipping though? What did shipping ever did to you that was so horrible that you could not just opt out of?

Were you roped and forced to roleplay into a ship that you didnt like? Did someone make you read a fanfic of a ship that you loathe? Were you assaulted forcefully by someone/ other people talking about their OTPs and pairings?

I mean.... why the hate?

Just.... opt out, man.




????? im confused :x

 

[Steamlord]

Some of both, I guess. I've spent an unreasonable amount of time in the past discussing Metroid canon and tweaking it with other fans so it makes more sense without altering the spirit of the series.

Spoiler

Needless to say, Other M is out the window.

 

[Knox]

I'm not interested in fan fic but I also don't get worked up about every little detail of something. I probably don't qualify because I feel like this is talking about die hard fans while I kind of "graze" between a lot of things instead of getting 100% wrapped up in Game of Thrones, Marvel, etc. When I do think deeper on this kind of media it's usually about theme and characters, and the craft of it. Who's power level is higher or what a midichlorian is less interesting to me than a character's motivations or the way a scene is shot and why.

 

[EulaCapra]

Transformative. I'm gay too so I'm extra god tier.

I can agree with the curative/transformative write-up. I've made the same gender/sexual orientation assumptions on my own without a clear definition or label.

Canon is somewhat important to me, but if I see an opportunity to make characters gay, I'm throwing Ryu and Ken into gay parenthood with their daughter Chun-Li.

 

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Transformative. I'm gay too so I'm extra god tier.

God tier is only for transgendered transformative Transformers fans.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Fully curative, I think. I don't despise the transformative parts of a fandom though and while I understand the appeal of fanfiction and shipping, I never shared the enthusiasm. I could definitely get into fanart and the few times I sketch stuff for fun I actually use existing characters instead of my own but it's not a craft I'm particularly interested in enhancing my skills. Being more of a writer myself my personal stance against using another creator's characters, worlds or even concepts is even affecting my own work. I don't mind it when others do and I certainly don't care about fanfic "devaluing" the existing canon but there's just something that prevents me from doing it myself. Being inspired by other works isn't something extraordinary but part 4 and 8 of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure are seeping into my own mystery story that I regularly have to step away from it and do something else. Writing something using those characters would be straight up impossible for me.

I am not sure if this is a result of (most) media being made to appeal to me though. But the post in the OP certainly makes an interesting argument that puts the fanfic scene in a different light for me.

 

[Evilisk]

Why do people hate shipping though? What did shipping ever did to you that was so horrible that you could not just opt out of?

Were you roped and forced to roleplay into a ship that you didnt like? Did someone make you read a fanfic of a ship that you loathe? Were you assaulted forcefully by someone/ other people talking about their OTPs and pairings?

I mean.... why the hate?

Yes

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Yes

O you poor baby ;___;

 

[Empty]

i'm staunchly curative and am a bit miffed that this framing presents me as some kind of conservative bore. i don't give a shit about the power levels of superheroes, but i will read a book of interviews with my favourite director, rewatch films to notice new elements, discuss with friends, finding connections, reading interpretations, researching ideas and reference raised, all to broaden my understanding. there's a lot of creativity just keeping to the text. i love becoming a fan of stuff that's created by minoritized groups, highlighting stuff that the culture dismisses for stupid readings, learning about them, they tend to have more interesting perspectives, i don't see how this makes me less socially conscious or whatever than someone who writes a fan fiction where snape is gay.