Fuck all of you guys who are not into immersive sims, they were they only renowned studio left making them and now I have to deal with this shit.
You realize Arkane has two separate studios, right? And this one is being done by the one in Texas?
Arkane: Redfall Playtest Image leaks
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You realize Arkane has two separate studios, right? And this one is being done by the one in Texas?
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
This aint it chief
ButchCat
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I'm aware but this new direction under the new parent makes me cynical about Arkane's direction as a whole.
Let's be real here for a sec, the main reason why they're pursuing this project is to try to keep Arkane afloat. Both Dishonoured 2 and Prey had underwhelming sales reception and I think they are seeking an answer to their problems in this.
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THEAP99
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I mean.. obviously it's playtest images. But like even the reveal cgi trailer seemed to indicate to me that this is probably going to be another one of those back 4 blood or bleeding edge games. Just doesn't look inspired like other Arkane games. It's unfortunate but we'll see I guess once gameplay is officially shown..
Ass of Can Whooping
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Really wanted a vampire sim from them instead of this crap.
Such a dissapointment. Even more so knowing the state bloodlines is in.
Such a dissapointment. Even more so knowing the state bloodlines is in.
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Barlow
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But you know that both games have nothing to do with MS?
Because they're both working on it since 2017/18
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Bro, can you read?
Where did I say the game will look bad or won't improve visually? It will improve, but the fact is that it has ~9 months before release (until the release is delayed), so it's okay to wonder how much a developer can improve in 9 months. For recent references, we saw TLOU 2 as well as God of War's gameplay two years before their respective release dates. Spider-Man's gameplay 1+ year. Returnal's gameplay 1+ year. Avenger's gameplay ~1 year before. How much improvement did we see in the final products? There are countless examples.
Anyway, graphics aren't the main thing for me. The fact that Arkane is doing a generic looter-shooter with an item shop for MTX as their first game under MS is way worse for me. That's because I think they are the most talented Zenimax studio.
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Fbh
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Something that's like Borderlands but without the worst fucking humor in media could be fun.
Screenshots look rough but that's what real alphas look like. The same people that complain about devs not showing early gameplay are the ones who then complain when early gameplay doesn't look amazing and fully polished.
Screenshots look rough but that's what real alphas look like. The same people that complain about devs not showing early gameplay are the ones who then complain when early gameplay doesn't look amazing and fully polished.
Ass of Can Whooping
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This is probably the result of their SP games flopping left and right pre aquisition
Now that they have stability w/ MS I hope they'll go back to their roots after Redfall and Deathloop
ButchCat
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Right so right after Dishonored 2 and Prey.
No one knows when this build is from
El Pistolero
Banned
There's that, certainly. But was a release date communicated? Is it expected to be done by next year?
Summer 2022.
Barlow
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El Pistolero
Banned
Nice. I am a bit surprised they preferred to go the CGI route, instead of producing a real-time trailer, but it could be that Zenimax and Microsoft preferred to have the team focus on developing the title instead.
Leyasu
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The game obviously started development years ago (2017/18 according to some on here), and was probably conceived with xbone and PS4 in mind.
They'll just polish it as best as they can before release. But it is at heart a cross gen game no doubt. Expecting more or rubbishing it is either naive or trolling
Heisenberg007
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Isn't it current-gen only? I don't think it's coming on Xbox One and One X, is it?
ZehDon
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Yep. I believe Dishonoured 2 under-performed and Prey certainly under-performed. Deathloop being a timed exclusive was clearly a decision to offset its development cost, and a multiplayer looter shooter comedy gothic horror open world MTX immersive sim game sounds something designed purely to be a revenue stream rather than coming from a place of passion. Hopefully once these two are done we'll see Arkane making something inspired.
Barlow
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DenchDeckard
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I was part of the division alpha and you wouldn't believe how dog shit that game looked. Like absolutely terrible compared to the final game. People on here are on crack.
Concern
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Not really sounding like my kind of game but its Arkane so we'll see.
Of course we have the same fanboys celebrating like this is some kind of console war win. A leaked picture of an alpha version lol.
Have to remember their biggest game this holiday is a timed exclusive Microsoft studio game. The salt is real
Of course we have the same fanboys celebrating like this is some kind of console war win. A leaked picture of an alpha version lol.
Have to remember their biggest game this holiday is a timed exclusive Microsoft studio game. The salt is real
I wouldn't overthink the criticism. The game is an Xbox exclusive and shitting on everything Xbox is a badge of honor on this site.
II_JumPeR_I
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Uhm no. A cgi trailer shows a game how its not going to play. Redfall is now another case of this.
For a game out next summer there should be stuff that you can show from the game.
CGI trailers are cancer. If you dont have anything playable to show then dont bother.
Most games created by a company (especially independent publishers) are designed to be a revenue stream though. Commercial game development is about finding a balance of both. Fortunately being a part of xbox now means that games can 'successful' in slightly different ways.
Magnific0giganticus
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By today's standards, that's not AAA.
ZehDon
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Don't conflate profit with "revenue stream". Every game is created to make a profit, and balancing creativity against profitability has been happening since most of us were born. By revenue stream, I mean an on-going source of profitable income from an established player base via micro-transactions. Most developers and/or publishers want a reoccurring revenue stream from one of their games because it allows you to make dramatically more money off of a smaller number of players if it lands well. Its a risk, but if it works out well, you have Fortnight money, CS:GG money, or LoL money pouring in.
vaibhavpisal
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Yeah. Sony shouldn't have shown Wolverine or Spiderman 2 in recent showcase
Calverz
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"A vampire sim".....did you not see the unveiling trailer? Or you just trollin?
I am not. I am saying that every product is a "revenue stream" , some are designed to have longer legs aka via techniques like mtx and expansion drops but both set of products are revenue streams. Certain rare games like Nintendo IP's have relatively long legs without MTX, just cause they have great attach rates.
I will wait to see if this game has mtx and to what level.
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Calverz
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ZehDon
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Not really, you're conflating terms. This isn't how "revenue stream" is used in this discussion. Put simply: a game is not a revenue stream, a game creates revenue streams. Base game sales are a revenue stream - this can be sub-divided into physical and digital, but this is usually combined for financial discussions. Micro-transactions are another revenue stream. It is a separate mechanism through which one product can create profit for the company. Mario Odyssey still selling units four years after its launch is not comparable to Fortnight which is able to sell micro-transactions to the same set of players indefinitely.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Yeah. Really annoys me but the change of strategy was inevitable.
As far as i'm aware their only successful game in years has been Doom Eternal. If they didn't have Fallout/Elder Scrolls I doubt they'd last more than a few years.
I was pissed at the MS aquisition at first, but when i thought about it, came to the conclusion that it was for the best
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Ass of Can Whooping
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What are you talking about?
Kagey K
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It an open world game with quests and stuff. It's more akin to Borderlands than it is a horde shooter like Back 4 Blood.
It's definitely not a 4v4 PvP game like Bleeding Edge.
Die Namek Ability
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I think the game looks pretty neat and interesting overall. Its just getting undeserved flak because MS put it on a pedestal as a "and one last thing".
Calverz
Member
In what way did they ever show anything SIM related? Did we watch different trailers?
fatmarco
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The graphics and art at this stage aren't the issue, the issue is that the concept sounds very boring.
Also like others have said, the fact this was the big end of conference reveal and its just "another" variant of the all too common looter shooter is pretty disappointing.
Also like others have said, the fact this was the big end of conference reveal and its just "another" variant of the all too common looter shooter is pretty disappointing.
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Connificent
Al Pachinko, Konami President
As if other Arkane games are lookers. They do the job.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Oh right no i knew it wasn't a sim after the reveal trailer. Just reiterating
Can you share how you know the date of this build they're using in the play test?
no. It's getting console warz nonsense because people are weird. That's all.
Heisenberg007
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Why are you assuming it's a very old build and playtest? The leaker explicitly mentioned that it was a recent playtest. Why would they test an old build and not the latest build? Are we not going by common sense anymore?
Anyway, as I said, graphics isn't my main concern here. Visuals will improve before release, at least to some extent. My biggest complaint is still the choice of genre/game: an MTX-filled generic looter-shooter doesn't suit the supremely talented Arkane.
I wish they'd have made another game in the Prey universe or a new IP that is in similar veins. Even an immersive sim vampire RPG would have been much, much preferable than a looter-shooter which every other studio is making anyway. Nobody made those games as Arkane did, and now it seems even Arkane has abandoned those, which is sad.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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It's still an early build so can't give final judgement on things like visuals until gameplay is revealed proper. However from the description it doesn't sound like my personal type of game I'd be into, and it's already looking a bit samey with this, that Back 4 Blood game and the Vampire game they showed at the PS conference Thursday, all coming within a few months of each other apparently.
Arkane is usually a safe bet for quality games though, so little doubt it'll be a polished, fun game especially for the audience that'll take to it. It's just personally not a game I'm seeing myself investing too much time into but that comes down to taste/preference. Xbox-wise for 2022 Starfield and Replaced still have the most appeal to me, easily (STALKER 2 as well but that's "practically" a multiplat since the exclusivity window is so short (3 months)).
Arkane is usually a safe bet for quality games though, so little doubt it'll be a polished, fun game especially for the audience that'll take to it. It's just personally not a game I'm seeing myself investing too much time into but that comes down to taste/preference. Xbox-wise for 2022 Starfield and Replaced still have the most appeal to me, easily (STALKER 2 as well but that's "practically" a multiplat since the exclusivity window is so short (3 months)).
Heisenberg007
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Thank you for reminding me of Replaced again. It looks so good!