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Asian US college applicants not ID'ing selves as asian to improve admission chances
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XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Pretty much every UC campus has a large asian population. They call out Berkeley in the article as an example.An easier honest solution; apply to UCLA. There's a reason people call it the "University of Caucasians Living Among Asians."
latinlikeaviolin
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theignoramus
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yeah, but these admission folks are deliberately penalizing Asian students in that they are blocking them or holding them to an unfairly high standard.
Not every school is like that, which is the point. The OP article says that in schools where they do not consider race for admissions, there are 30-40% Asian student bodies, compared to like 10% for schools that do, which highlights the discrimination.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
This is what I used to pick if there was no Filipino option on various school related forms back in the primary/secondary education days.
Chuck (Old)
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ouch.
Its true though
I didn't mean any offense, I'm just genuinely surprised that there are that many applicants. I thought Hispanics were the least represented minority in dentistry.
Both examples in the article were California schools which are going to have more Asian applicants regardless.
Chuck (Old)
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Me too.
Zoe
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Affirmative Action and general statistics.
titiklabingapat
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Sometimes, it even says 'White (Non-hispanic)'. Lol.
JJDinomite
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It's really quite amazing how, to this day, people are born with an advantage or disadvantage to going to college.
Raitosaito
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This is also definitely a problem.
I think my first name and last name being extremely long has caused employers to dismiss me as a potential worker.
littleworm
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I don't think a person should be asked their race or sex for that matter in applications.
Sometimes? I've honestly never seen a form that doesn't have that option lulz.
Red Blaster
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I'm applying to doctorate programs and all of them ask you to be as specific as possible about your ethnicity. Like this:
shanshan310
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Here in Aus we sort of have race questions. On big state run exams in high school/ university entry forms they always asked "Are you aboriginal or Torres-strait islander?". They don't really care about races other than that, but I think they are trying to track the progress of native Australians, since there is a big gap in life expectancy etc.
Do you really have trouble with that?
I've had a few places advertise for a Japanese speaker and then turn me away because they wanted someone Chinese (they told me outright). wtf. Racism, racism everywhere.
Do you really have trouble with that?
I've had a few places advertise for a Japanese speaker and then turn me away because they wanted someone Chinese (they told me outright). wtf. Racism, racism everywhere.
I'm applying to doctorate programs and all of them ask you to be as specific as possible about your ethnicity. Like this:
Where the hell is the "mixed" box? There are so many different mixed people right now that are lacking a box to check.
shanshan310
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well, it does say "check as many as apply".
Red Blaster
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You can check as many as you'd like lulz.
Wish I was crazy enough to check them all and dub myself a strict multiculturalist.
Zoe
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Do you really think there are that many "mixed" people who would not be able to identify at least one of those boxes?
Hah, wow.
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander comes up a lot in the law because there exists a limited legal recognition of customary law, and there are legislation-specific efforts in regards to the indigenous population relative to the rest of the population (basically what you said)
Bjern Fita
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Can you give us a ballpark clue as to what sort of institution you're at? Ivy League, Community, East, West etc.
I think the article is missing the fact that some of those schools are looking for the perfect well rounded candidate. Very few of my over achieving Asian friends and co-workers had jobs in high school or did any type of activity beyond an academic club. This includes the ones with parents that had a small family busines. All they ever did was school work and have little ability to apply all their knowledge creativley. I work for a $1 billion Taiwanse company with 5 factories in China and run into this all the time. The brightest people they've hired can only do exactly what they are told to do. Giving them just a general idea of what needs to be done leads to problems 75% of the time.
The Mexican kid with a 3.8 GPA and a 2200 SAT is probably is probably a little more well rounded.
The Mexican kid with a 3.8 GPA and a 2200 SAT is probably is probably a little more well rounded.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Yup, still a nice dose of "It's still OK to shit on Asians."
Asian kids aren't all robots, plenty of them have tons of experience beyond grades like volunteer work and sports.
The problem is that Asian applicants need those things AND higher grades/test scores than every other race to get in to competitive schools/programs.
Affirmative action means that Black and Hispanic students get in with lower overall requirements because they're trying to hit a minimum enrollment. For Asian students it's the opposite, they just keep raising standards as high as they need to so that they don't pass a maximum number of Asian students. This leaves White students in the middle, with a guaranteed majority of spots with requirements set between the other racial groups.
It sucks for everyone involved because race becomes such a major determinant of enrollment, since your race determines what grades and other resume boosters you need to get in.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Well, let's all remember that the prupose of affirmative action in admissions is to address potential, and no past performance.
I always ignore 'White British', tick 'White - Other' and then specify 'English' because I'm annoying like that.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
But in my experience they're the fun Asians!
That's why they're underachievers. I know a lot of people who will amount to nothing. Think they're DJing or something or want to be professional dancers.
Rice-Eater
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I really enjoyed your post. I share many of the sentiments you raised. I've been kind of bitter over the years about how our issues are pushed aside. It's like if anybody gives us crap, even if caught on TV. Just quickly apologize and they get a free pass because nobody gives a shit. I remember the radio station making a song that made fun of the Thai tsunami victims from some years ago. My memory is foggy but I don't think anybody lost there jobs and I don't remember it even making headline news. When that radio guy called the female BB players "nappy hoes", he got hit with a massive shit storm.
But enough about that stuff. I don't necessarily blame these half-Asians for doing what they did. Especially if it helps them get further ahead.
This is what I reacted on. WTF USA? In Sweden we apply by name so there might be discrimination there but none of these forms and shit
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Yeah, that was the Hot 97 controversy with Miss Jones and Miss Info.
Oh, Miss Info...
I like her. (Man that photo is asking for a Brazzers logo)
Zoe
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It's typically optional.
anyone else notice that almost all the students talked to are ivy league?
Quick search shows that roughly 15% of the non-international students at yale and harvard identify as asian. About 5% of the country is asian-american I believe.
About 18% of the enrolled students are international, with the bulk of the students coming from China and India, followed by South Korea, Canada, England, and Germany.
It's not that asians are getting discriminated against, it's that they're all trying to get into ivy league schools when they already are far overrepresented in these student populations, and even more disproportionately so in applications.
Quick search shows that roughly 15% of the non-international students at yale and harvard identify as asian. About 5% of the country is asian-american I believe.
About 18% of the enrolled students are international, with the bulk of the students coming from China and India, followed by South Korea, Canada, England, and Germany.
It's not that asians are getting discriminated against, it's that they're all trying to get into ivy league schools when they already are far overrepresented in these student populations, and even more disproportionately so in applications.
FreeMufasa
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They're considered Caucasian not white.
Unknown Soldier
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A truly merit-based admissions process would have no consideration of who is "over-represented" and "under-represented". If you meet the criteria, you are admitted. Period.
The fact that it's okay to deny admissions to Asians because they are "over-represented" relative to their percentage of the overall population is itself inherently racist and goes against everything people are supposed to believe about how college admissions processes work. Then again, Ivy League schools have never ever have merit-based admissions processes to begin with, so we're probably just tilting at windmills when people like George W. Bush can attend Yale just because he's from a particular family. Ivy League schools have always pretended to have a real admissions process when they've always reserved spots for sons and daughters of alumni, people from rich and powerful families, members of the Illuminati, etc.
I'm only half-joking about the Illuminati part. But the reality is that the Ivy League schools are part of the structure of this country through which people with power protect their power and nurture their successors.
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