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[RagnarokIV]

I would buy another again.

Back in the day I had a Phenom II on a Asrock mobo with everything overclocked and it was rock solid. So solid I sold everything like 10 years later and made back like 55% of what I spent.

Thing is, Asrock is, or was, the white label brand of ASUS before they had to spin it out. Thinking they didn't share technologies even when spin out would be a bit naive. And now it's back under ASUS but part of another ASUS company, Pegatron.

I was asrock for my Phenom II black edition. OC'd and all sorts. Never skipped a beat.

Shame they've turned into shite

 

[winjer]

Haven't had an Asrock motherboard in 20 years. I guess it will be another 20...

 

[Lorianus]

Not Asrock related but my z490 Asus strix that i used with my 10700k was also very wierd with it's auto tuning feature.

That piece of shit software wanted to fire my CPU with 1.45 core voltage for 5ghz and my manually adjusted settings got it stable at 1.15 for the same 5ghz, never trust a software.

 

[Loope]

I had problems with ASUS mobus 2x in the span of months, i wouldnt recomend them at all

Never had any problem with either of those brands, nor with ASrock (only had one though).

Usually jump between Asus and MSI though.

 

[smbu2000]

As far as motherboard hierarchy my ranking would be:

1. Asus
2. MSI
3. Just maybe Gigabyte ... but Probably not.
4. Save up for 1 or 2

Only board that's ever died on me was an Asus board.

Had no issues with my Asrock X670E Taichi. Decided to from that E-ATX board to a smaller case/motherboard and went with an Asus X670E Crosshair Gene mATX board. Worked okay for awhile then just stopped working at all. Wouldn't recognize any cpu. Had a 9700x at the time, also tried a 7700, then a 7950x3d, nothing…
Ended up going back to a bigger case and went with another Asrock X870E Taichi.

Later learned of these x3d issues, but I'm using the 7950x3d so it hasn't affected me. I'm glad they are addressing it though as I would like to eventually upgrade.

Asus was also the company burning up 7800x3d cpus on their previous x670e boards (extreme and hero I believe). Read about the lcd screens failing on MSI's flagship x870e godlike boards. Gigabyte issues with vrms not being cooled (Heatsink not touching them) on their flagship x870e xtreme ai top boards.
Almost manufacturers have some kind of issues.

 

[MarV0]

As far as motherboard hierarchy my ranking would be:

1. Asus
2. MSI
3. Just maybe Gigabyte ... but Probably not.
4. Save up for 1 or 2

Asrock is King 1 and 2 are overpriced garbage.

 

[Soulja]

I have been using the X870E with a 9800X3D since Christmas and it has been fine....but i have been very aware and worried about it potentially killing my CPU!

 

[Topher]

I would buy another again.

Back in the day I had a Phenom II on a Asrock mobo with everything overclocked and it was rock solid. So solid I sold everything like 10 years later and made back like 55% of what I spent.

Thing is, Asrock is, or was, the white label brand of ASUS before they had to spin it out. Thinking they didn't share technologies even when spin out would be a bit naive. And now it's back under ASUS but part of another ASUS company, Pegatron.

That's a cool looking board

 

[StereoVsn]

I had problems with ASUS mobus 2x in the span of months, i wouldnt recomend them at all

Yep, Asus had bunch of issues with 7000 series Ryzen. And their RMA sucks big time.

Gigabyte I just don't trust after the exploding PSU fiasco. ASRock is meh, they don't seem to care about stable firmware.

MSI is okish, really just best of the worst and I guess that's as good as it gets now days.

Edit: I run mainly MSI just because I trust the rest even less.

 

[poodaddy]

I've owned two Gigabyte boards and never had a problem. Asus board I owned had some issues that seem to go away on their own so probably a driver problem. Took far too long to start up though.

I had problems with ASUS mobus 2x in the span of months, i wouldnt recomend them at all

Same here. I had an extremely high end ASUS board go bonkos in four years. I know that's a decent time period for many people, but I typically like to take longer than that for CPU upgrades, (I'm a casual like that I guess according to weirdo gatekeepers), so it really kinda pissed me off. Have a Gigabyte board in my wife's PC now with her 9800x 3D, and it's doing great, though it does have some odd quirks with its Ethernet adapter that I haven't come across before, but it's nothing a simple restart doesn't generally fix. I've got an MSI board in the attic PC and it's been utterly flawless so far, first board I've ever had that I can claim that with.

So, with that being said, here's my tier list based on 25 years of PC gaming experience, 15 of which have been on my own dime:
MSI
Gigabyte


Asus




ASRock

The white space is necessary here to communicate the depths of my distaste for ASRock. Terrible boards.

 

[Topher]

Yep, Asus had bunch of issues with 7000 series Ryzen. And their RMA sucks big time.

Gigabyte I just don't trust after the exploding PSU fiasco. ASRock is meh, they don't seem to care about stable firmware.

MSI is okish, really just best of the worst and I guess that's as good as it gets now days.

Edit: I run mainly MSI just because I trust the rest even less.

Ah....that's probably the problems I had with Asus then. I remember the PSU issues for Gigabyte, but their mobos have been rock solid for me so after dealing with Asus, I went back to what worked.

But as Hoddi said, we all have our own experiences and those generally determine where we lay our trust.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

For what it's worth I've owned two ASUS boards (2500K Intel, and then X470 for Ryzen 2600X AMD) and both died within 3 years.

I later had a Gigabyte B550 with my 5700X which was great.

I currently have a 9800X3D with my ASRock Nova X870E. My extensive research indicated ASRock are/were a great motherboard manufacturer with good aftercare support unlike ASUS.

So far I've had no issues. But fuck these issues are giving me anxiety. ASRock better get their shit together.

 

[RoboFu]

lol this is a literal thread about ASrock officially admitting to bricking CPUs you weirdos. and yet everyones ... " oh no ASrock has never failed me! its great!! "

 

[Black_Stride]

AsRock used to be my jam back in the day.

Asrock is King 1 and 2 are overpriced garbage.

MSI?
MSI have the best bang for buck Z series motherboards with their Pro-As.
Their Pro-As are priced like B series motherboards.

ASUS I can agree cuz their B series motherboards are priced like Z series.....but they historically have had the most stable BIOS through and through.

Gigabyte ill never trust with a motherboard.

So, with that being said, here's my tier list based on 25 years of PC gaming experience, 15 of which have been on my own dime:
MSI
Gigabyte


Asus




ASRock

The white space is necessary here to communicate the depths of my distaste for ASRock. Terrible boards.

Gigabyte above ASUS?

Arent their BIOS still constantly unstable whether to update or not is basically wait for the hotfix of the hotfix and during the Ryzen 3000 their memory compatibility was all over the place, it was near literally luck of the draw whether your RAM would work or not the list they published was practically useless.



MSI and ASUS consistently have the most stable BIOS overall of all the big brands.





If you really really want to be safe though, just buy an H motherboard......they practically never fail.
^Dont do that if you are building a mid/high gaming rig, H motherboards are so stable because they have zero features and run everything in the most safe way possible.......well if you dont mind stock everything it isnt so bad.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Shame on ASRock, Jesus.

I remember when they first came around I dug their stuff quite a bit. Not anymore, lmao.

 

[willothedog]

AsRock used to be my jam back in the day.




MSI?
MSI have the best bang for buck Z series motherboards with their Pro-As.
Their Pro-As are priced like B series motherboards.

ASUS I can agree cuz their B series motherboards are priced like Z series.....but they historically have had the most stable BIOS through and through.

Gigabyte ill never trust with a motherboard.


Gigabyte above ASUS?

Arent their BIOS still constantly unstable whether to update or not is basically wait for the hotfix of the hotfix and during the Ryzen 3000 their memory compatibility was all over the place, it was near literally luck of the draw whether your RAM would work or not the list they published was practically useless.



MSI and ASUS consistently have the most stable BIOS overall of all the big brands.





If you really really want to be safe though, just buy an H motherboard......they practically never fail.
^Dont do that if you are building a mid/high gaming rig, H motherboards are so stable because they have zero features and run everything in the most safe way possible.......well if you dont mind stock everything it isnt so bad.

MSI stable bios? big thread on overclockers about their tomahawk x870 instability.

 

[poodaddy]

AsRock used to be my jam back in the day.




MSI?
MSI have the best bang for buck Z series motherboards with their Pro-As.
Their Pro-As are priced like B series motherboards.

ASUS I can agree cuz their B series motherboards are priced like Z series.....but they historically have had the most stable BIOS through and through.

Gigabyte ill never trust with a motherboard.


Gigabyte above ASUS?

Arent their BIOS still constantly unstable whether to update or not is basically wait for the hotfix of the hotfix and during the Ryzen 3000 their memory compatibility was all over the place, it was near literally luck of the draw whether your RAM would work or not the list they published was practically useless.



MSI and ASUS consistently have the most stable BIOS overall of all the big brands.





If you really really want to be safe though, just buy an H motherboard......they practically never fail.
^Dont do that if you are building a mid/high gaming rig, H motherboards are so stable because they have zero features and run everything in the most safe way possible.......well if you dont mind stock everything it isnt so bad.

I'm going off my experience, not someone else's. So far, Gigabyte has led me better than Asus, and MSI better than either. ASRock is.....well.....their boards are always gonna eventually make for great paperweights, so I can't say they're useless necessarily.

 

[welshrat]

I own an AsRock Nova X870E, been running since Feb 28th with a 9800X3D. Not ideal this situation but on latest BIOS and all seems good. Problem Myself and others have is there isn't anything that competes with this board at this price (which isn't cheap £400). It has 5 NVME slots and 4 can be populated without any lane sharing at all. Anyhow I hope this is the end of it as so far my experience has been fantastic

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Most people probably wouldn't utilise the additional "features" that the overpriced high end motherboards have. A good mid range board is enough for the vast majority. Some spent a lot for no reason other than epeen.

Yep if you don't care about USB4 don't buy a 300 eurodollars motherboard.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Love the work Gamer Nexus does for PC consumers.

according to some people, all they do is hateon nvidia.

However, I do feel GN was out of line for their most recent Linus Tech attacks.

 

[Topher]

according to some people, all they do is hateon nvidia.

However, I do feel GN was out of line for their most recent Linus Tech attacks.

I recall a lot of folks agreeing with you on that. Either way, I think it is clear GN doesn't play favorites when it comes to this stuff. They will go after anyone if they believe it is warranted.

 

[Nonehxc]

That's a cool looking board

You know why we overclock...

BTW, the ring is animated, that's a screen. It also has glazed white plastic on the chipset and other parts so it gives a soft light through.

 

[simpatico]

Until this, I've always thought they were fairly well respected. When I was researching ITX boards, their's was considered the best by many.

With EVGA gone, there really isn't a brand deserving blanket trust. I can't really think of one who deserves blanket scorn either. It's all just a dice roll now in either direction. At least when it comes to the non-Temu brands.

 

[simpatico]

Until this, I've always thought they were fairly well respected. When I was researching ITX boards, their's was considered the best by many.

With EVGA gone, there really isn't a brand deserving blanket trust. I can't really think of one who deserves blanket scorn either. It's all just a dice roll now in either direction. At least when it comes to the non-Temu brands.

 

[simpatico]

Until this, I've always thought they were fairly well respected. When I was researching ITX boards, their's was considered the best by many.

With EVGA gone, there really isn't a brand deserving blanket trust. I can't really think of one who deserves blanket scorn either. It's all just a dice roll now in either direction. At least when it comes to the non-Temu brands. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Zotac GPU or ASrock board (generally) if it saved me $40+. My GPU is XFX and I don't see them mentioned among trusted brands. Clocks and temps are as good as any I've seen posted in OC guides.

 

[PlayStaytion]

One ASRock Bottom, Two ASRock Bottom, Three ASRock Bottom

 

[CuteFaceJay]

AssRock have been dog shit since the FX line of CPU's were around. Crazy they still in bidnis.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

fun to see people's preferred mobo manufacturer lists
who's good vs who's shit basically changes from gen to gen

only manufacturer that hasnt often landed in the shit list was evga, but they were always expensive
far as i can tell, assrock's always been the budget version with good specs--ive used them a couple times without issue
i mean, it's just a mobo... just need it to be stable and have the features you want.

 

[StereoVsn]

AsRock used to be my jam back in the day.




MSI?
MSI have the best bang for buck Z series motherboards with their Pro-As.
Their Pro-As are priced like B series motherboards.

ASUS I can agree cuz their B series motherboards are priced like Z series.....but they historically have had the most stable BIOS through and through.

Gigabyte ill never trust with a motherboard.


Gigabyte above ASUS?

Arent their BIOS still constantly unstable whether to update or not is basically wait for the hotfix of the hotfix and during the Ryzen 3000 their memory compatibility was all over the place, it was near literally luck of the draw whether your RAM would work or not the list they published was practically useless.



MSI and ASUS consistently have the most stable BIOS overall of all the big brands.





If you really really want to be safe though, just buy an H motherboard......they practically never fail.
^Dont do that if you are building a mid/high gaming rig, H motherboards are so stable because they have zero features and run everything in the most safe way possible.......well if you dont mind stock everything it isnt so bad.

Asus fucked over whole bunch of folks with Ryzen 7000 launch when they jacked up voltage. And refused to RMA.

And then separately there was the ROG Ally fiasco.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

lol this is a literal thread about ASrock officially admitting to bricking CPUs you weirdos. and yet everyones ... " oh no ASrock has never failed me! its great!! "

ASRock were considered a universally brand (so many people recommended them on Reddit but this was prior to this fiasco). However, their piss poor communication and consistently failed attempts at 'fixing' the issue is enough to deter me from buying from them in the future.

Unfortunately I am stuck with them for now.

My system has been stable so far. I've run it at a -20 negative core offset undervolt. I hope this is enough to prevent the voltage spikes which seems to be killing CPUs.

 

[Hideous Snake]

This shit needs to stop. Those components are not cheap and I'm sure as fuck that there will he no compensation if anything happened

Not surprised since its arserock anyways

 

[peish]

Asus fucked over whole bunch of folks with Ryzen 7000 launch when they jacked up voltage. And refused to RMA.

And then separately there was the ROG Ally fiasco.

This is wrong information spread by irresponsible journalism of gamer nexus

The real cause was amd overlooked 7000X3D has a lower vsoc ceiling than normal 7000. Aegsa back then set vsoc = vdd = vddq. No surprises this ran into issues because many expo ram kit then needed 1.35v to 1.4v

 

[Black_Stride]

Asus fucked over whole bunch of folks with Ryzen 7000 launch when they jacked up voltage. And refused to RMA.

And then separately there was the ROG Ally fiasco.

This was more AMDs fault than it was ASUS fault.

 

[winjer]

This was more AMDs fault than it was ASUS fault.

No it wasn't. Asus pushed hard on the SoC voltage and the result was that CPUs started to burn.
When things blew up, AMD decided to curb on AIBs pushing voltages as high, so they implemented a hard cap on SoC voltage.

 

[KungFucius]

I had an ASRock board around a decade and some change ago.

Never.
Again.

Worst boards in the industry, they simply cannot be trusted, and they tend to lead to unstable rigs too, lots of crashing. Some people have good luck with ASRock, but I will never trust any of their products again.

So you had one bad experience and declare this to apply to all from this brand? Sorry but that is BS. I had 2 of their boards that lasted for years, same goes for pretty much every other brand. I have had duds too. Sometimes you get a dud. Obviously this here is a major fuckup, but it is probably one person who fucked up and it is the type of thing that testing isn't designed to catch, until it happens and now they need to check for it. In some ways it might make more sense to buy a brand after a major embarrassing fuck up like this because it will improve their quality approach.

 

[peish]

No it wasn't. Asus pushed hard on the SoC voltage and the result was that CPUs started to burn.
When things blew up, AMD decided to curb on AIBs pushing voltages as high, so they implemented a hard cap on SoC voltage.

No, it is gamernexus FUD causing mandela effect

Read through how widespread this caused.

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D CPU Burns Up

Bit complex between hardware readings and software. use translate if you want the info

forums.overclockers.co.uk

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

That's why I'm:

a. Never touching anything froms ASrock (had a very funny fail on their mobo back in my Intel days) again
b. Still sitting on my 7700x and thinking that's probably well enough for my QHD system

 

[winjer]

No, it is gamernexus FUD causing mandela effect

Read through how widespread this caused.

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D CPU Burns Up

Bit complex between hardware readings and software. use translate if you want the info

forums.overclockers.co.uk

Don't be silly, the issues was mostly on Asus motherboards. A random post from another forum, that doesn't even say what you are trying to say, means nothing.
Abd fixed as soon as AMD's imposed a limit on SoC voltages.

 

[peish]

Don't be silly, the issues was mostly on Asus motherboards. A random post from another forum, that doesn't even say what you are trying to say, means nothing.
Abd fixed as soon as AMD's imposed a limit on SoC voltages.

dont be silly, you are only remembering gamernexus fud.

there is 1 asus burning video that gamernexus milked to death. and he didnt even do a good job

If you go to 12:00 on the failure video (where Steve also incorrectly concluded the CPU was receiving 50mV over set point whilst not accounting for plane resistance, a mistake which was made in both initial videos) you will see the system tripped, subsequently leading to what he calls a partial shutdown and 00 Q-Code. Without cycling the AC the cooler is then removed (something an end user would never do). Moreover, a set point of 1.45v was used to rapidly simulate a failure. A discerning mind would be able to differentiate a high OCP trip point being a different issue here, it has nothing to do with the CPU failing in the first instance. In any case, the corrections for PROCHOT can be seen quite clearly in the Igorlabs piece some days ago, so moving the goal posts doesn't quite work here. The protective mechanisms were updated by AMD.

 

[winjer]

dont be silly, you are only remembering gamernexus fud.

there is 1 asus burning video that gamernexus milked to death. and he didnt even do a good job

Don't try to change things around.
You are repeating the same nonsense you said back then. With no evidence.
And now, again, you are trying to pull the wrong narrative.
The fact remains that it was an issue that affected Asus motherboards.

 

[peish]

Don't try to change things around.
You are repeating the same nonsense you said back then. With no evidence.
And now, again, you are trying to pull the wrong narrative.
The fact remains that it was an issue that affected Asus motherboards.

wut? one of the evidence is inside that forum. I swear some of you are too deep inside gamernexus fud.ass..

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D CPU Burns Up

Bit complex between hardware readings and software. use translate if you want the info

forums.overclockers.co.uk

Before,

The big Ryzen 7000 Memory and OC Tuning Guide - Infinity Fabric, EXPO, Dual-Rank, Samsung and Hynix DDR5 in Practice test with Benchmarks and Recommendations | Page 6 | igor´sLAB

AMD’s new Ryzen 7000 desktop CPUs, based on the Zen4 micro-architecture, still use the same chiplet design as their predecessors, with a few small but not negligible changes. Igor already gave details…

www.igorslab.de

The whole thing is correspondingly analog once again in full configuration with 4x 16 GB, whereby the tertiary timings ending on Dd (different DIMM) become relevant here accordingly and can no longer be minimized to 1. In addition, the double number of ranks requires a bit more SOC voltage, here 1.4 V, although this is still in the safe range according to several sources.

After,

Instead of AGESA 1.0.9.0 (internal) there is now AGESA1.0.0.7a with three important changes | igor´sLAB

There are always challenges that the company has to overcome in connection with AGESA (AMD Generic Encapsulated Software Architecture). The exact causes of the problems with AGESA 1.0.7.0…

www.igorslab.de

The first two entries are for all Ryzen 7 CPUs, whether with (X3D) or without 3D-V cache (X). Also here, the SOC Voltage was named for AMD's Overdrive (AOD) (as Voltage Input) as well as an extension of the help text was announced:

PLAT-131921: [RPL]and [RPL-X3D] Limit AOD menu setting for SoC voltage input to 1.3V when not in LN2 mode
PLAT-132133: [RPL]and [RPL-X3D] Update AOD menu help text to reference LN2 mode for expanded voltage ranges


For the X3D CPUs there is also a general, internal limitation from 1.4V to 1.3V listed, whose limit also applies outside of AOD – ie in general

[PMFW-13058] Change SOC max Voltage limit in FW to 1.3V from 1.4V

 

[winjer]

wut? one of the evidence is inside that forum. I swear some of you are too deep inside gamernexus fud.ass..

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D CPU Burns Up

Bit complex between hardware readings and software. use translate if you want the info

forums.overclockers.co.uk

What evidence? All you have is conjectures from some forum.
The only error AMD did was not having a hard voltage cap from the start.
But it was Asus that choose to inject that much voltage and cause all those issues.
And just because you don't like GN, doesn't mean Asus is on the clear.

 

[peish]

What evidence? All you have is conjectures from some forum.
The only error AMD did was not having a hard voltage cap from the start.
But it was Asus that choose to inject that much voltage and cause all those issues.
And just because you don't like GN, doesn't mean Asus is on the clear.

You know how amd agesa works?
It is a black box, Asus or any other vendors cannot overrride the limits that Amd set inside it with expo.

 

[winjer]

You know how amd agesa works?
It is a black box, Asus or any other vendors cannot overrride the limits that Amd set inside it with expo.

Yes, they can. Even users can do it in the UEFI. Be it SoC voltage, CPU voltage, memory, IF, etc.
You are clearly out of your depth and making stuff up.

 

[peish]

Yes, they can. Even users can do it in the UEFI. Be it SoC voltage, CPU voltage, memory, IF, etc.
You are clearly out of your depth and making stuff up.

If you turn on LN2, you can bypass. Vendors give you this option but all safety are off.

We are talking about simply using expo here. You are clearly too deep in steve fud.ass.

 

[StereoVsn]

No it wasn't. Asus pushed hard on the SoC voltage and the result was that CPUs started to burn.
When things blew up, AMD decided to curb on AIBs pushing voltages as high, so they implemented a hard cap on SoC voltage.

Yep, this has been shown by numerous sources. Asus especially played lose with voltages.

 

[StereoVsn]

If you turn on LN2, you can bypass. Vendors give you this option but all safety are off.

We are talking about simply using expo here. You are clearly too deep in steve fud.ass.

Got to say with Leonidas retiring, you got to be the biggest corpo defender on this board. *golf *

 

[Topher]

Got to say with Leonidas retiring, you got to be the biggest corpo defender on this board. *golf *

Yep. I'm staying out of the technical aspects of all this as it is above my head, but I guarantee you that I'll believe Gamer Nexus any day over folks who are just defending a corporate brand.

You are clearly too deep in steve fud.ass.

 

[Three]

I've owned two Gigabyte boards and never had a problem.

Other than the random Spanish/Portuguese on some of the Bios settings screens? I found that problem so funny. I would be troubleshooting something and then have to start practicing Spanish like I'm on duolingo.

 

[DeaconOfTheDank]

I own an AsRock Nova X870E, been running since Feb 28th with a 9800X3D. Not ideal this situation but on latest BIOS and all seems good. Problem Myself and others have is there isn't anything that competes with this board at this price (which isn't cheap £400). It has 5 NVME slots and 4 can be populated without any lane sharing at all. Anyhow I hope this is the end of it as so far my experience has been fantastic

Got the same combo since early April and it's been running like a dream. I updated to 3.25 as soon as possible, so hopefully my CPU hasn't degraded much if at all. The MSI Tomahawk X870E was the only other board that could compete imo