Raven117
Member
Don't tell me what? Do you honestly think a game that is standard AC sales wise is enough to save a company?
Assassin's Creed: Shadows reaches 3 million players
Raven117
Member
Ah. Interesting…. I mean, my point still stands. Now they have just ringed fenced the high performing properties. AC just proved that there is value in the franchise.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
The AC and R6 IPs are each worth a few billion a piece.
Raven117
Member
You have a present value analysis on that? Or just making it up?
Edit: this is what we need. The Board of Directors has, upon ad hoc Committee recommendation, appointed Finexsi acting as independent expert in view of the issuance of a fairness opinion.
I'm addition…. They said they had an enterprise value around 4 billion utilizing a 4x sales multiplier.
So yeah. We got some real MBAs in here
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Fortunately it isn't.
PeteBull
Member
Its actually quite simple- we know how valuable particular thing is coz of ppl wanting to buy it for specific amount of money/resources.
Tencent forked up over 1b usd for 25% of ubi's top IP's so we can easly tell how much 100% of it is, in value.
Same way like u got broke dude living in his car- no woman wants to date/sleep with him(no matter if he has good heart/rightous character, he is loyal and loving, family man etc), so we know he is a man of very low value, on the other hand u got bilionaire asshole who can afford to having 10+ kids with all different women on top of who knows how many illegitimate children(to give real life example- elon musk, but im sure if we dig deep enough we could find tens if not hundreds of similar examples), and we can tell right away he is high value man(again, despite his questionable character)- for the simple reason u got mountains of very attractive/desirable women lining up to sleep with him and having his children(u could argue those women could be called some kind of predator too but thats whole other story
)Buyer decides whats a value of particular product, not the seller.
Raven117
Member
I know your point, but that's not quite right. It's not as simple as that. (But in some ways it is)Its actually quite simple- we know how valuable particular thing is coz of ppl wanting to buy it for specific amount of money/resources.
Tencent forked up over 1b usd for 25% of ubi's top IP's so we can easly tell how much 100% of it is, in value.
Same way like u got broke dude living in his car- no woman wants to date/sleep with him(no matter if he has good heart/rightous character, he is loyal and loving, family man etc), so we know he is a man of very low value, on the other hand u got bilionaire asshole who can afford to having 10+ kids with all different women on top of who knows how many illegitimate children(to give real life example- elon musk, but im sure if we dig deep enough we could find tens if not hundreds of similar examples), and we can tell right away he is high value man(again, despite his questionable character)- for the simple reason u got mountains of very attractive/desirable women lining up to sleep with him and having his children(u could argue those women could be called some kind of predator too but thats whole other story
Buyer decides whats a value of particular product, not the seller.
Topher
Identifies as young
The game is so successful, Ubisoft has to give up partial control of the franchise
That deal was going to happen regardless of Shadows' success. Ubisoft's problems are bigger than one game.
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SeriousCrayon
Member
I can only tell you why I want this one to succeed..I'm currently playing it and really enjoying it and hope they can continue on this path moving forward. That's it. Fun game and I want more of them.
lifa-cobex
Member
And Ubisoft knew it.
This game had to be the secound coming of Jesus to really help them out.
Baemono
Member
It actually helped them getting 1.2 billion EUR and to keep the franchise under their control, it's a win-win for them
lifa-cobex
Member
Not for the staff it isn't.
Guarantee massive layoffs.
Kotaro
Member
had it perform like Valhalla, 3 million players in 24 hours, I don't think Ubisoft would go thru with the deal, they would walk away in heartbeat
Blitzkrieg!
Banned
It's likely the terms of the deal would have been different in that case as those sales numbers would imply a better valuation of the franchise. That said, they've probably had a rough idea how the launch was going to go based on preorders and other metrics so the underperformance was expected by all in advance.
Topher
Identifies as young
Not realistic. News of Ubisoft restructuring and attempts to stabilize their company started emerging weeks ago.
Think that is a more accurate assessment. Tencent would be the one potentially walking away from this based on a surge in stock price had Shadows overperformed rather than Ubisoft. Either way, Shadows was never going to come close to Valhalla numbers. The entire gaming climate has changed drastically from the covid years.
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The_Observer
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The basis for the assumption is historical data in the AAA space. But yeah, at the moment it's just an assumption, just as the win against the chuds is an assumption.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Those deals take months to hash out. They're not dependent on one event. Outlaws, Skull and Bones, and Frontiers of Pandora all bombed and a few GAAS also failed. Ubisoft is quite possibly several hundreds of millions, if not over a billion in the red. Unless Shadows got GTA numbers, there was no saving them.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Do some of you folks really think deals like this are hashed out in the matter of days?
Serious question.
Jinxed
Member
Lmao, even if it sold 5 million units in 24 hours, Ubisoft were never walking away from a 1.5 billion euro lifeline.
Oh we know, they should be concentating on one game instead. That's a lot to manage!
Dude sits down in his house and rages on because black, Hispanic and female employees at Ubisoft have their own employee resource groups.
Incredible.
Then the layoffs would have happened even if Shadows sold 10 million units in one month.
Culling still happens, even when we have record profits. Why do you think Sony cut jobs at Insomniac, Naughty Dog, Guerilla etc ? Or closed studios this gen, despite the PS5 execution being spot on?
Jinxed
Member
I'm actually raging because there isnt a employee resource group for chubby middle aged dads. There's not enough groups, they can do better! Come on Ubi, show everyone love. More groups, more ressources for them, less for games. You can do it!Lmao, even if it sold 5 million units in 24 hours, Ubisoft were never walking away from a 1.5 billion euro lifeline.
Dude sits down in his house and rages on because black, Hispanic and female employees at Ubisoft have their own employee resource groups.
Incredible.
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lifa-cobex
Member
Indeed they do. But most of the time the staff will be placed elsewhere on other projects.
Tencent will take however many would have been chopped and probably double it if not more.
The credits showing the staff members for AC shadows is insainly long. Longer than an MGS game i'm lead to belive.
They will want their purchase to be as profitable as possible as you certainly don't need that many staff members to make a good game.
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seething left
Member
Why do people celebrate those low numbers? 3 million "players" is nothing for a that game.
That would probably be at least 5 million by now, if not for their choice of a gay black protagonist in a feudal Japan setting.
That would probably be at least 5 million by now, if not for their choice of a gay black protagonist in a feudal Japan setting.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
If it's well deserved, how is continuing doing what they do and supporting it gonna help them.
Why do we fall?
It is the only way.
Now I don't think Shadows is that bad and is probably one of their better releases.
But everything that's wrong with their games is still present.
The problem with those companies is they don't learn and double down.
So failing is the only thing they'll listen to.
Nobody wants companies to fail, but when they double down instead of listening it's the only possibility of getting through to them.
A.Romero
Member
If it's well deserved, how is continuing doing what they do and supporting it gonna help them.
Why do we fall?
It is the only way.
Now I don't think Shadows is that bad and is probably one of their better releases.
But everything that's wrong with their games is still present.
The problem with those companies is they don't learn and double down.
So failing is the only thing they'll listen to.
Nobody wants companies to fail, but when they double down instead of listening it's the only possibility of getting through to them.
As you said on your excellent choice of gif: If they die that's it, no improvement opportunity at all.
But overall I'm not talking about if anyone should play Shadows or whatever Ubisoft might be releasing. I'm talking about there is no dowinside if other people enjoy playing their games and continue doing so. My message is aimed at people that feel like a game must fail. I know that a lot of people think that that's a strong message so they get their shit together but my point is that it doesn't serve any gamer's interest if the industry contracts because that situation would reduce overall appeal for the industry and it would impact the industry's overall output capacity, also impacting other games that people that don't like Ubisoft do like.
Is not about Ubisoft but the industry overall. We need variety so the industry has mass appeal.
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