Raven117
Member
Don't tell me what? Do you honestly think a game that is standard AC sales wise is enough to save a company?
Assassin's Creed: Shadows reaches 3 million players
Raven117
Member
Ah. Interesting…. I mean, my point still stands. Now they have just ringed fenced the high performing properties. AC just proved that there is value in the franchise.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
The AC and R6 IPs are each worth a few billion a piece.
Raven117
Member
You have a present value analysis on that? Or just making it up?
Edit: this is what we need. The Board of Directors has, upon ad hoc Committee recommendation, appointed Finexsi acting as independent expert in view of the issuance of a fairness opinion.
I'm addition…. They said they had an enterprise value around 4 billion utilizing a 4x sales multiplier.
So yeah. We got some real MBAs in here
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calico
Member
Fortunately it isn't.
PeteBull
Member
Its actually quite simple- we know how valuable particular thing is coz of ppl wanting to buy it for specific amount of money/resources.
Tencent forked up over 1b usd for 25% of ubi's top IP's so we can easly tell how much 100% of it is, in value.
Same way like u got broke dude living in his car- no woman wants to date/sleep with him(no matter if he has good heart/rightous character, he is loyal and loving, family man etc), so we know he is a man of very low value, on the other hand u got bilionaire asshole who can afford to having 10+ kids with all different women on top of who knows how many illegitimate children(to give real life example- elon musk, but im sure if we dig deep enough we could find tens if not hundreds of similar examples), and we can tell right away he is high value man(again, despite his questionable character)- for the simple reason u got mountains of very attractive/desirable women lining up to sleep with him and having his children(u could argue those women could be called some kind of predator too but thats whole other story
)Buyer decides whats a value of particular product, not the seller.
Raven117
Member
I know your point, but that's not quite right. It's not as simple as that. (But in some ways it is)Its actually quite simple- we know how valuable particular thing is coz of ppl wanting to buy it for specific amount of money/resources.
Tencent forked up over 1b usd for 25% of ubi's top IP's so we can easly tell how much 100% of it is, in value.
Same way like u got broke dude living in his car- no woman wants to date/sleep with him(no matter if he has good heart/rightous character, he is loyal and loving, family man etc), so we know he is a man of very low value, on the other hand u got bilionaire asshole who can afford to having 10+ kids with all different women on top of who knows how many illegitimate children(to give real life example- elon musk, but im sure if we dig deep enough we could find tens if not hundreds of similar examples), and we can tell right away he is high value man(again, despite his questionable character)- for the simple reason u got mountains of very attractive/desirable women lining up to sleep with him and having his children(u could argue those women could be called some kind of predator too but thats whole other story
Buyer decides whats a value of particular product, not the seller.
Topher
Identifies as young
The game is so successful, Ubisoft has to give up partial control of the franchise
That deal was going to happen regardless of Shadows' success. Ubisoft's problems are bigger than one game.
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SeriousCrayon
Member
I can only tell you why I want this one to succeed..I'm currently playing it and really enjoying it and hope they can continue on this path moving forward. That's it. Fun game and I want more of them.
lifa-cobex
Member
And Ubisoft knew it.
This game had to be the secound coming of Jesus to really help them out.
Baemono
Member
It actually helped them getting 1.2 billion EUR and to keep the franchise under their control, it's a win-win for them
lifa-cobex
Member
Not for the staff it isn't.
Guarantee massive layoffs.
Kotaro
Member
had it perform like Valhalla, 3 million players in 24 hours, I don't think Ubisoft would go thru with the deal, they would walk away in heartbeat
Blitzkrieg!
Banned
It's likely the terms of the deal would have been different in that case as those sales numbers would imply a better valuation of the franchise. That said, they've probably had a rough idea how the launch was going to go based on preorders and other metrics so the underperformance was expected by all in advance.
Topher
Identifies as young
Not realistic. News of Ubisoft restructuring and attempts to stabilize their company started emerging weeks ago.
Think that is a more accurate assessment. Tencent would be the one potentially walking away from this based on a surge in stock price had Shadows overperformed rather than Ubisoft. Either way, Shadows was never going to come close to Valhalla numbers. The entire gaming climate has changed drastically from the covid years.
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The_Observer
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The basis for the assumption is historical data in the AAA space. But yeah, at the moment it's just an assumption, just as the win against the chuds is an assumption.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Those deals take months to hash out. They're not dependent on one event. Outlaws, Skull and Bones, and Frontiers of Pandora all bombed and a few GAAS also failed. Ubisoft is quite possibly several hundreds of millions, if not over a billion in the red. Unless Shadows got GTA numbers, there was no saving them.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Do some of you folks really think deals like this are hashed out in the matter of days?
Serious question.
Jinxed
Member
Lmao, even if it sold 5 million units in 24 hours, Ubisoft were never walking away from a 1.5 billion euro lifeline.
Oh we know, they should be concentating on one game instead. That's a lot to manage!
Dude sits down in his house and rages on because black, Hispanic and female employees at Ubisoft have their own employee resource groups.
Incredible.
Then the layoffs would have happened even if Shadows sold 10 million units in one month.
Culling still happens, even when we have record profits. Why do you think Sony cut jobs at Insomniac, Naughty Dog, Guerilla etc ? Or closed studios this gen, despite the PS5 execution being spot on?
Jinxed
Member
I'm actually raging because there isnt a employee resource group for chubby middle aged dads. There's not enough groups, they can do better! Come on Ubi, show everyone love. More groups, more ressources for them, less for games. You can do it!Lmao, even if it sold 5 million units in 24 hours, Ubisoft were never walking away from a 1.5 billion euro lifeline.
Dude sits down in his house and rages on because black, Hispanic and female employees at Ubisoft have their own employee resource groups.
Incredible.
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lifa-cobex
Member
Indeed they do. But most of the time the staff will be placed elsewhere on other projects.
Tencent will take however many would have been chopped and probably double it if not more.
The credits showing the staff members for AC shadows is insainly long. Longer than an MGS game i'm lead to belive.
They will want their purchase to be as profitable as possible as you certainly don't need that many staff members to make a good game.
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seething left
Member
Why do people celebrate those low numbers? 3 million "players" is nothing for a that game.
That would probably be at least 5 million by now, if not for their choice of a gay black protagonist in a feudal Japan setting.
That would probably be at least 5 million by now, if not for their choice of a gay black protagonist in a feudal Japan setting.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
If it's well deserved, how is continuing doing what they do and supporting it gonna help them.
Why do we fall?
It is the only way.
Now I don't think Shadows is that bad and is probably one of their better releases.
But everything that's wrong with their games is still present.
The problem with those companies is they don't learn and double down.
So failing is the only thing they'll listen to.
Nobody wants companies to fail, but when they double down instead of listening it's the only possibility of getting through to them.
A.Romero
Member
If it's well deserved, how is continuing doing what they do and supporting it gonna help them.
Why do we fall?
It is the only way.
Now I don't think Shadows is that bad and is probably one of their better releases.
But everything that's wrong with their games is still present.
The problem with those companies is they don't learn and double down.
So failing is the only thing they'll listen to.
Nobody wants companies to fail, but when they double down instead of listening it's the only possibility of getting through to them.
As you said on your excellent choice of gif: If they die that's it, no improvement opportunity at all.
But overall I'm not talking about if anyone should play Shadows or whatever Ubisoft might be releasing. I'm talking about there is no dowinside if other people enjoy playing their games and continue doing so. My message is aimed at people that feel like a game must fail. I know that a lot of people think that that's a strong message so they get their shit together but my point is that it doesn't serve any gamer's interest if the industry contracts because that situation would reduce overall appeal for the industry and it would impact the industry's overall output capacity, also impacting other games that people that don't like Ubisoft do like.
Is not about Ubisoft but the industry overall. We need variety so the industry has mass appeal.
Wolzard
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Less Than 2 Months After Release 'Assassin's Creed Shadows' Player Counts Down 90% On Steam
Less Than 2 Months After Release 'Assassin's Creed Shadows' Player Counts Down 90% On Steam
Assassin’s Creed Shadows’ concurrent player counts on Steam have declined over 90% since the game released on March 20th.This Substack is reader-supported.
fandompulse.substack.com
Mr Moose
Member
Isn't that normal?Less Than 2 Months After Release 'Assassin's Creed Shadows' Player Counts Down 90% On Steam
Less Than 2 Months After Release 'Assassin's Creed Shadows' Player Counts Down 90% On Steam
Assassin’s Creed Shadows’ concurrent player counts on Steam have declined over 90% since the game released on March 20th.This Substack is reader-supported.
Topher
Identifies as young
For a single player game, absolutely
PeteBull
Member
Its perfectly normal, the problem is we didnt get anything after 3m players announcements and its almost mid may, u would think 10m players announcement would happen if game was a big hit or at least 5m if game is close to breaking even, no such luck tho
Again- we dont even ask for copies sold, just measly players announcement, and still nothing
Wolzard
Member
Split Fiction was released in the same month and didn't lose all that. And they had better numbers than ACS.
Mr Moose
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Topher
Identifies as young
Did we ever get number sold for AC Valhalla? Ubisoft informed investors that the game had generated a billion in revenue during their quarterly investors call in Feb 2022, but I don't know that we ever got actual units sold. Either way, I'm thinking we will get an update on AC Shadows in the next quarterly which seems to be tomorrow if my google search is correct.
PeteBull
Member
This is just funny as fuck to me. KCD1 from 2018 which was given out for free on multiple occasions on Epic, was in Gamepass, still has more players than AC Shadows on Steam.
Topher
Identifies as young
Saw this on Twatter
Wonder why Odyssey has so many players right now. Valhalla and Origins are just in the 2k range.
Baemono
Member
That doesn't have to do with anything.
And even worse, you're comparing an old game sold for as low as 5$ to a recent full price game.
rm082e
Member
Because it's the best of the new ARPG Creed games? I thought Origins was great, but Odyssey was even better. Valhalla was a step down in overall quality.
seething left
Member
The reason why it's performing worse than decade old games is because gamers are rAyCiS n shieeeeet.
Topher
Identifies as young
Perhaps. Wasn't my favorite, but looking at the CCU history, it does seem to have some pretty strong legs.
vodka-bull
Member
I'll buy it one day, but used, so we both can be happy about it, Ubisoft.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Odyssey has had legs since it launched on Steam.
It goes on sale like every other month.
There was a sale leading up to Shadows too.
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah, you are right. Checked and the lowest peak I'm seeing over the last three years is still over 6k. Got to over 31k in December. That's pretty dang good.
Mr Moose
Member
Saw this on Twatter
Game of the Year nominated Assassin's Creed title is blowing up on Steam ahead of AC Shadows' release
The upcoming release of Assassin's Creed Shadows seems to have re-ignited the interest of PC players (on Steam) in an earlier title in the series — Assassin's Creed Odyssey from 2018.
www.sportskeeda.com
Seems it got a boost when it went to £4.99 in December.
That shit is £49.99 now
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