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Astonishing X-Men #5 preview
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BigJonsson
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ASTONISHING!
clipunderground
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cool. like the art.
Semjaza Azazel
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Loved the last issue, looking forward to it.
Willco said:SO WHERE IS?COLOSSUS
Unleashing some steely pent up sexual tension on a certain ghostly ninja computer whiz
distantmantra
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Willco said:SO WHERE IS?COLOSSUS
How did this person come back to life?
distantmantra said:How did this personcome back to life?
Comic magic....but seriously, it's yet to be revealed, it just happened in issue 4
I'm incredibly glad he's back!Willco said:SO WHERE IS?COLOSSUS
distantmantra
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OmniGamer said:Comic magic....but seriously, it's yet to be revealed, it just happened in issue 4
Is issue four out yet? If so,
did he just show up without explanation?
Issue four has been out since last Wednesday. And yeah, he showed up without any real explanation, by the "mystery" is incredibly well-set.distantmantra said:Is issue four out yet? If so,did he just show up without explanation?
I'd strongly advise getting the issue NOW. I swear, Joss Whedon is a gift from the X-Gods.
distantmantra said:Is issue four out yet? If so,did he just show up without explanation?
Pretty much
FortNinety
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So please tell someone who's unfamiliar with the series, what's the gist of if? Who's in the lineup, etc?
nomoment said:I'm incredibly glad he's back!
I'm not. It's lame beyond words. You're such an X-Goon, sometimes.
W3rd.Willco said:I'm not. It's lame beyond words. You're such an X-Goon, sometimes.
Respect da old school.
evil solrac v3.0
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you ca so lame sometimes mono. please dont spit in our collective veteran comic book reading eyes and tell us it's rain. barry allen made a sacrifice tio save the world and he stayed dead. colossus did the same thing and he should have stayed dead. this cheapens it.
Mama Smurf
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I don't really know the situation, but are you sure it's him?
Dude, Colossus' death was unwarranted. They X-folks could've just as easily administered the needle onto some villain.evil solrac v3.0 said:you ca so lame sometimes mono. please dont spit in our collective veteran comic book reading eyes and tell us it's rain. barry allen made a sacrifice tio save the world and he stayed dead. colossus did the same thing and he should have stayed dead. this cheapens it.
I don't think any of us would've minded if they stuck it into Vargas, or something.
evil solrac v3.0
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nomoment said:Dude, Colossus' death was unwarranted. They X-folks could've just as easily administered the needle onto some villain.
I don't think any of us would've minded if they stuck it into Vargas, or something.
and that would have been super lame. x-men as killers? please.
Mama Smurf
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Once again, are you sure it's him?
Like I said, I don't really know the situation, but I read this in a review of the last issue:
"There are going to be many readers who are going to jump on the fact that Joe Quesada made a point out of saying that dead characters are going to stay dead under his watch, and yet this issue offers up yet another example of a writer who doesn't look to be paying much heed to this ruling from down on high. However, I'm not going to make much noise about this return from the dead largely because I'm delighted to see this character being brought back, as I was of the mind that their death was a transparent attempt by a writer to add a sense of importance to a plot thread that had lingered around for such a long time that readers had long since lost any interest in it. In any event while Joe Quesada's head was in the right place in trying to curtail the revolving door when it came to death in comics, the simple fact of the matter is that the only characters who don't come back from the dead are either ones whose deaths have made a profound impact on a book's established formula (e.g. Uncle Ben, Gwen Stacy), or ones that have no fan base that would demand their return (e.g. Bucky, Jason Todd). This character's death falls in neither category so their return was inevitable in spite of Joe Quesada's bid to give Marvel deaths a greater sense of importance."
Why I read reviews of comics I've never read and probably never will, I'm not sure, but I do. Thought it might add to the discussion anyway.
Like I said, I don't really know the situation, but I read this in a review of the last issue:
"There are going to be many readers who are going to jump on the fact that Joe Quesada made a point out of saying that dead characters are going to stay dead under his watch, and yet this issue offers up yet another example of a writer who doesn't look to be paying much heed to this ruling from down on high. However, I'm not going to make much noise about this return from the dead largely because I'm delighted to see this character being brought back, as I was of the mind that their death was a transparent attempt by a writer to add a sense of importance to a plot thread that had lingered around for such a long time that readers had long since lost any interest in it. In any event while Joe Quesada's head was in the right place in trying to curtail the revolving door when it came to death in comics, the simple fact of the matter is that the only characters who don't come back from the dead are either ones whose deaths have made a profound impact on a book's established formula (e.g. Uncle Ben, Gwen Stacy), or ones that have no fan base that would demand their return (e.g. Bucky, Jason Todd). This character's death falls in neither category so their return was inevitable in spite of Joe Quesada's bid to give Marvel deaths a greater sense of importance."
Why I read reviews of comics I've never read and probably never will, I'm not sure, but I do. Thought it might add to the discussion anyway.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Joss normally handles these things well, like when he brought Bufyf back from the dead. He made it really hard and painful for her, returning from the dead shouldn't be something you can just do. I'd be amazed if he didn't follow through on this one in some way, I doubt he'd make it cheap.
Mama Smurf said:Joss normally handles these things well, like when he brought Bufyf back from the dead. He made it really hard and painful for her, returning from the dead shouldn't be something you can just do. I'd be amazed if he didn't follow through on this one in some way, I doubt he'd make it cheap.
I understand that this particular character's return is an editorial edict and not of Whedon's doing (at least I hope it's not), but you've got to be pretty damn talented to come up with a way to bring back a character that not only died years ago, but was cremated as well. True, the writing was on the wall for his return, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it. And if you a reasonable person, I don't think you should either.
A lot of the more hardcore X-Men fans have been anxiously awaiting his return and have denounced his death from the get-go, but they're fossils from a time where death was nothing more than an excuse to print four cover variations (all in tin foil!). I had hoped we as fans had progressed to the point where we could accept the end of a particular character or arc or what have you, and move on to more original ideas, but this does not seem to be the case.
Sad.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Well give it a chance, maybe he'll surprise you.
I'm so not up on my knowledge of the X-Men universe though, I don't know what's possible and not. Returning from the dead in any fantasy or science fiction thing sounds reasonable to me, unless it's an established edict that this simply cannot happen within the rules of that universe. Unfortunately that leads to lots of deaths simply thrown in for shock value rather than story value as you can just bring them back, but I guess that's always going to be the way when there are more bad writers around than good ones.
I'm so not up on my knowledge of the X-Men universe though, I don't know what's possible and not. Returning from the dead in any fantasy or science fiction thing sounds reasonable to me, unless it's an established edict that this simply cannot happen within the rules of that universe. Unfortunately that leads to lots of deaths simply thrown in for shock value rather than story value as you can just bring them back, but I guess that's always going to be the way when there are more bad writers around than good ones.
evil solrac v3.0
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i'm with willco on this one (and that's very scary) this is why while the current spidey story is mildly interesting..... it still feels lame with the whole (we will have the revenge on our father!!!!) colossus died. end of story. end of character. move on.
FortNinety
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FortNinety said:So please tell someone who's unfamiliar with the series, what's the gist of if? Who's in the lineup, etc?
Anybody? I'd really like to know.
FortNinety said:Anybody? I'd really like to know.
It's basically the continuation of Grant Morrison's work on New X-Men. It follows a core group of X-Men (Emma Frost, Wolverine, Cyclops, Beasts, Kitty Pryde) as they deal with life after the death of Jean Grey and Charles Xavier's retirement as headmaster of the Xavier Institute for the Gifted & Talented.
It's got clever dialogue and some great team interaction. Whedon has been a great replacement for Grant Morrison, who rejuvinated the X-Men with his work on New X-Men (I highly recommend you purchase all the very, very available trades), and has introduced a new dynamic to the X-Universe with Emma Frost and Cyclops now madly in love (or lust?).
Good stuff.
We're four issues in and as of now, the big bombshell is that the X-Men have learned that a scientist has claimed that she is able to cure the mutant gene. Chaos, new supervillains, life and death ensue. Yadda, yadda, yadda.
FortNinety
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Willco said:It's basically the continuation of Grant Morrison's work on New X-Men. It follows a core group of X-Men (Emma Frost, Wolverine, Cyclops, Beasts, Kitty Pryde) as they deal with life after the death of Jean Grey and Charles Xavier's retirement as headmaster of the Xavier Institute for the Gifted & Talented.
It's got clever dialogue and some great team interaction. Whedon has been a great replacement for Grant Morrison, who rejuvinated the X-Men with his work on New X-Men (I highly recommend you purchase all the very, very available trades), and has introduced a new dynamic to the X-Universe with Emma Frost and Cyclops now madly in love (or lust?).
Good stuff.
We're four issues in and as of now, the big bombshell is that the X-Men have learned that a scientist has claimed that she is able to cure the mutant gene. Chaos, new supervillains, life and death ensue. Yadda, yadda, yadda.
Thanks for the info. I've heard nothing but good things about Morrison's run. I always meant to pick up an issue, but never got around to it.
But now I hear that he's no longer with the book (why is that? did he quit? get bored? get fired?) it's totally different. One person said it's almost like what he did almost didn't matter.
This is the problem I have with mainstream Marvel comics today (or at least, I think it's a problem). There used to be a time that no matter what the creative team, they always picked up where the previous team left things off. It created a true sense of continuity. But now, whenever a new creative team appears, they always "start from scratch". Not a bad idea I guess, but for an on-going monthly title, that just seems like bullshit.
Any thoughts?
FortNinety said:Thanks for the info. I've heard nothing but good things about Morrison's run. I always meant to pick up an issue, but never got around to it.
But now I hear that he's no longer with the book (why is that? did he quit? get bored? get fired?) it's totally different. One person said it's almost like what he did almost didn't matter.
Grant Morrison left New X-Men because he had a story he wanted to tell and he told it. I don't think he's one to continue to run with any project if he feels its outstayed its welcome. Also, DC Comics signed him to a nice, good exclusivity deal that will hopefully see him one day scribing the pages of Superman.
His run on New X-Men has left a mark on the X-Men forever and its ramifications are still being felt. I don't think you can dismiss his work, but I can understand why someone might have said that it didn't matter. Chris Claremont recently retcon'd one of the big twists of his run, which was unfortunate, but I don't want to go into further detail unless you want me to spoil it for you.
I highly recommend picking up the trades. They're great reads and Morrison's run leads into Whedon's run, which certainly doesn't dismiss Morrison's achievements.
This is the problem I have with mainstream Marvel comics today (or at least, I think it's a problem). There used to be a time that no matter what the creative team, they always picked up where the previous team left things off. It created a true sense of continuity. But now, whenever a new creative team appears, they always "start from scratch". Not a bad idea I guess, but for an on-going monthly title, that just seems like bullshit.
Eh, that's debatable. Marvel Comics in general are less likely to be caught up in continuity, but I don't think the X-Men start from scratch with every creative team. Certainly not with Whedon, who really has felt like the torch from Morrison has been passed on to him. One or two notorious individuals, Claremont and Chuck Austen in particular, deem it necessary from time to time to wag their dicks around and erase some continuity because they've run out of any creativity.
Any thoughts?
Yeah, go buy New X-Men and Astonishing X-Men and ignore the rest of the bullshit.
Bringing back characters is easy to do when you're dealing with a book that deals with super human beings, alien races, and often times, magic....I wouldn't be surprised if
MAGIK, aka. Illyana Rasputin had something to do. "Uh, isn't she also dead?" you say in slacked-jawed confusion. Well, given that she spent time in Limbo, and that multiple instances of her existed(child Illyana and teenage Illyana), they could easily make up some convoluted mess.
Actually, Morrison revealed in an interview that he wanted to continue on with New X-Men, focusing on Emma and Scott rebuilding the school... for whatever reason he wasn't asked though. :/Willco said:Grant Morrison left New X-Men because he had a story he wanted to tell and he told it. I don't think he's one to continue to run with any project if he feels its outstayed its welcome. Also, DC Comics signed him to a nice, good exclusivity deal that will hopefully see him one day scribing the pages of Superman.
Actually, that was an editiorially mandated return (as was Chuck Austin'sWillco said:Chris Claremont recently retcon'd one of the big twists of his run, which was unfortunate, but I don't want to go into further detail unless you want me to spoil it for you.
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To be fair, the same could be said for just about anyone who's ever written an X-title. Rewriting and retcons are par for the course on these books, even Grant Morrison is guilty of that...Willco said:One or two notorious individuals, Claremont and Chuck Austen in particular, deem it necessary from time to time to wag their dicks around and erase some continuity because they've run out of any creativity.
...though I agree,
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mightynine
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Obviously, they were mistaken and cremated the old Blackbird instead.
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