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[Supreme Allah]

Therse this YouTuber I have followed for a while, (Bright Insight) he makes some really interesting videos.

He recently uploaded two videos that have several million views about that Atlantis was real and is the location of the Richat Structure and he make a very convincing argument in my opinion.

What do you guys think?

Part 1:

Part 2:

 

[AngularSaxophone]

More than likely a crater from a fallen angel. Atlantis didn’t sink. It was left under water after the flood like many other places. Check off the shores of Japan.

 

[YayNJ]

Click bait thread title. Fuck off with that shit.

 

[Thurible]

Nope. I could be wrong, but from the top of my head the story of atlantis came from plato as an allegorical device in one of his lessons. Then some came to believe it was real or based off of a real civilization. There is little to no actual proof that there is an advanced civilization that was killed off by a flood or somehow still exists. There have certainly been coastal villages in the past that have experienced floods and great loss of life, but certainly not an entire people.

Also consider, why is Plato the only source on "the history" of atlantis if it isn't a teaching device? Things have to have multiple sources to be verified and just having Plato say "atlantis exists" is not good enough to be verifiable. We need artifiacts, records, and the like. However, none of those exists. I think it is safe to assume that this fabled civilization is just a fable.

Edit: I am right, it is an allegorical device from Plato's works Timaeus and Critias on the hubris of nations.

 

[womfalcs3]

You're telling me that the Atlantic ocean was, just 10,000 years ago, 550-600 km into Africa? That could be easily predicted by weather/climate change/sea level models.

 

[AngularSaxophone]

Nope. I could be wrong, but from the top of my head the story of atlantis came from plato as an allegorical device in one of his lessons. Then some came to believe it was real or based off of a real civilization. There is little to no actual proof that there is an advanced civilization that was killed off by a flood or somehow still exists. There have certainly been coastal villages in the past that have experienced floods and great loss of life, but certainly not an entire people.

Also consider, why is Plato the only source on "the history" of atlantis if it isn't a teaching device? Things have to have multiple sources to be verified and just having Plato say "atlantis exists" is not good enough to be verifiable. We need artifiacts, records, and the like. However, none of those exists. I think it is safe to assume that this fabled civilization is just a fable.

Edit: I am right, it is an allegorical device from Plato's works Timaeus and Critias on the hubris of nations.

Long live the Pope! His praises sound
Again and yet again:
His rule is over space and time;
His throne the hearts of men:
All hail! the Shepherd King of Rome,
The theme of loving song:
Let all the earth his glory sing,
And heav'n the strain prolong.
Let all the earth his glory sing,
And heav'n the strain prolong.

2. Beleaguered by the foes of earth,
Beset by hosts of hell,
He guards the loyal flock of Christ,
A watchful sentinel:
And yet, amid the din and strife,
The clash of mace and sword,
He bears alone the shepherd staff,
This champion of the Lord.
He bears alone the shepherd staff,
This champion of the Lord.

3. His signet is the Fisherman's;
No sceptre does he bear;
In meek and lowly majesty
He rules from Peter's Chair:
And yet from every tribe and tongue,
From every clime and zone,
Three hundred million voices sing,
The glory of his throne.
Three hundred million voices sing,
The glory of his throne.

4. Then raise the chant, with heart and voice,
In church and school and home:
"Long live the Shepherd of the Flock!
Long live the Pope of Rome!"
Almighty Father, bless his work,
Protect him in his ways,
Receive his prayers, fulfill his hopes,
And grant him "length of days."
Receive his prayers, fulfill his hopes,
And grant him "length of days."

 

[DiscoJer]

Atlantis is an allegory, like Plato's Cave.

 

[Thurible]

Long live the Pope! His praises sound
Again and yet again:
His rule is over space and time;
His throne the hearts of men:
All hail! the Shepherd King of Rome,
The theme of loving song:
Let all the earth his glory sing,
And heav'n the strain prolong.
Let all the earth his glory sing,
And heav'n the strain prolong.

2. Beleaguered by the foes of earth,
Beset by hosts of hell,
He guards the loyal flock of Christ,
A watchful sentinel:
And yet, amid the din and strife,
The clash of mace and sword,
He bears alone the shepherd staff,
This champion of the Lord.
He bears alone the shepherd staff,
This champion of the Lord.

3. His signet is the Fisherman's;
No sceptre does he bear;
In meek and lowly majesty
He rules from Peter's Chair:
And yet from every tribe and tongue,
From every clime and zone,
Three hundred million voices sing,
The glory of his throne.
Three hundred million voices sing,
The glory of his throne.

4. Then raise the chant, with heart and voice,
In church and school and home:
"Long live the Shepherd of the Flock!
Long live the Pope of Rome!"
Almighty Father, bless his work,
Protect him in his ways,
Receive his prayers, fulfill his hopes,
And grant him "length of days."
Receive his prayers, fulfill his hopes,
And grant him "length of days."

What does my Catholicism have anything to do with this and why are you mocking the Pope and my faith?

This conversation is about the myth of atlantis, not my personal beliefs on religion.

If you can somehow refute my claim that atlantis does not exist because it is only mentioned by plato in one of his dialogues then go ahead, but don't make this about my religion.

 

[Supreme Allah]

Nope. I could be wrong, but from the top of my head the story of atlantis came from plato as an allegorical device in one of his lessons. Then some came to believe it was real or based off of a real civilization. There is little to no actual proof that there is an advanced civilization that was killed off by a flood or somehow still exists. There have certainly been coastal villages in the past that have experienced floods and great loss of life, but certainly not an entire people.

Also consider, why is Plato the only source on "the history" of atlantis if it isn't a teaching device? Things have to have multiple sources to be verified and just having Plato say "atlantis exists" is not good enough to be verifiable. We need artifiacts, records, and the like. However, none of those exists. I think it is safe to assume that this fabled civilization is just a fable.

Edit: I am right, it is an allegorical device from Plato's works Timaeus and Critias on the hubris of nations.

Its obvious from your post that you didn't even watch the videos. There is evidence and good arguments in the videos.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

It's just a story.

But I'm sure there really is a "lost civilization" somewhere out there though, doesn't mean they had advanced technology or anything, just a civilization that has yet to be rediscovered by modern archaeology.

The Lost City of Z in the Amazon for example is a rumored one that may actually exist.

What does my Catholicism have anything to do with this and why are you mocking the Pope and my faith?

This conversation is about the myth of atlantis, not my personal beliefs on religion.

If you can somehow refute my claim that atlantis does not exist because it is only mentioned by plato in one of his dialogues then go ahead, but don't make this about my religion.

Yeah, I have no idea what he's doing either.

 

[AngularSaxophone]

Your world view is skewed by Catholicism. You see many of the stories of the Bible as allegory when they aren’t, so you see Plato’s tales as allegory as well. There are many places that existed here before the flood that are still here. They’re just under water. When the waters went back down, they left many things covered. There are also things covered by sand in the desert from when the waters below rose. As far as the Pope goes, he deserves to be mocked. He’s not God. He’s a man just like any of us. Not only that but purposeful misinterpretation has bred constant error. Everything they’ve tried to hide will be brought to light.

 

[Thurible]

Its obvious from your post that you didn't even watch the videos. There is evidence and good arguments in the videos.

I have seen a couple minutes of one of the videos to humor you, as you are correct as it is indeed unfair to judge something without examining it's content. I however felt that the premise itself is ridiculous and doesn't deserve any attention. There are many conspiracy theories on myths and magic after all. A few minutes in and I already found several faults with the video that made It's content not credible.

I have a bachelor's in history and would consider myself to be a bit of an amateur historian. I know how the "historic method" (as it were) works. I have looked through archives and have compiled research on a few different topics. I have studied how history teachers make lesson plans. I know what makes a historical claim credible. What I am saying is even though I consider myself a bit of an imbecile at times, I know a good deal of what I am talking about in this area.

In the first video, the man admits it is only from solon and plato that we get this myth and then he conjectures that atlantis was in some place in Africa while also admitting that credible historians do not believe such a place exists. If these two men are the only evident sources for this place then there is simply no substantial proof that Atlantis existed. We NEED records and more sources, one or two guys saying something does not make it a fact. Plato was also known for using allegories and parables to get his point across. Do you think Thomas More's Utopia was a real place just because he wrote about it? Utopia was a device More used to criticize British society and the British government, using Utopia to both show what it should and shouldn't be.

I want artifiacts of this supposed civilization, give me one piece of physical evidence.

Could a small village have been razed by natural disasters and used as a loose basis in Plato's story, yes. Could an entire civilization that rivaled the greeks in scope and culture have somehow escaped unnoticed by the entire world except by the "recollections" of a few, likely not.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

Your world view is skewed by Catholicism. You see many of the stories of the Bible as allegory when they aren’t, so you see Plato’s tales as allegory as well. There are many places that existed here before the flood that are still here. They’re just under water. When the waters went back down, they left many things covered. As far as the Pope goes, he deserves to be mocked. He’s not God. He’s a man just like any of us.

What does the Pope have to do with Atlantis?

And since Plato is most famously known for an allegory (the allegory of the cave) it seems like a pretty real possibility that Atlantis is just an allegory too, don't ya think? Where did Plato say "this is a real thing that happened" versus just a story he just made up, if he was recounting an actual event, why not make that clear?

Don't get me wrong though, I wish Atlantis was real, that would be so cool, there's something so romantic about the idea of a Greco Roman city at the bottom of the ocean, I don't even know why exactly, it's just one of the coolest concepts anyone has ever come up with.

 

[Thurible]

Your world view is skewed by Catholicism. You see many of the stories of the Bible as allegory when they aren’t, so you see Plato’s tales as allegory as well. There are many places that existed here before the flood that are still here. They’re just under water. When the waters went back down, they left many things covered. There are also things covered by sand in the desert from when the waters below rose. As far as the Pope goes, he deserves to be mocked. He’s not God. He’s a man just like any of us. Not only that but purposeful misinterpretation has bred constant error. Everything they’ve tried to hide will be brought to light.

Ok, let's say for a moment that there was an actual worldwide flood that enveloped the earth. Why does that not fit into our geological science and why are there no records of such an event outside of some myths in the fertile crescent? How did life as we know it continue to keep living on despite the fact that there is no possible way that all the animals of the earth could fit into the ark? How did the species survive and not die off despite a HUGE lack of genetic variance in these animal groups?

 

[Supreme Allah]

I have seen a couple minutes of one of the videos to humor you, as you are correct as it is indeed unfair to judge something without examining it's content. I however felt that the premise itself is ridiculous and doesn't deserve any attention. There are many conspiracy theories on myths and magic after all. A few minutes in and I already found several faults with the video that made It's content not credible.

I have a bachelor's in history and would consider myself to be a bit of an amateur historian. I know how the "historic method" (as it were) works. I have looked through archives and have compiled research on a few different topics. I have studied how history teachers make lesson plans. I know what makes a historical claim credible. What I am saying is even though I consider myself a bit of an imbecile at times, I know a good deal of what I am talking about in this area.

In the first video, the man admits it is only from solon and plato that we get this myth and then he conjectures that atlantis was in some place in Africa while also admitting that credible historians do not believe such a place exists. If these two men are the only evident sources for this place then there is simply no substantial proof that Atlantis existed. We NEED records and more sources, one or two guys saying something does not make it a fact. Plato was also known for using allegories and parables to get his point across. Do you think Thomas More's Utopia was a real place just because he wrote about it? Utopia was a device More used to criticize British society and the British government, using Utopia to both show what it should and shouldn't be.

I want artifiacts of this supposed civilization, give me one piece of physical evidence.

Could a small village have been razed by natural disasters and used as a loose basis in Plato's story, yes. Could an entire civilization that rivaled the greeks in scope and culture have somehow escaped unnoticed by the entire world except by the "recollections" of a few, likely not.

If you had watched the two videos, you would have seen artifacts (spears). You would also have gotten good arguments for why not many have been found, (the flood washed alot away + very little archeology work there)

 

[Supreme Allah]

Ok, let's say for a moment that there was an actual worldwide flood that enveloped the earth. Why does that not fit into our geological science and why are there no records of such an event outside of some myths in the fertile crescent? How did life as we know it continue to keep living on despite the fact that there is no possible way that all the animals of the earth could fit into the ark? How did the species survive and not die off despite a HUGE lack of genetic variance in these animal groups?

The flood happened in "they're world" i.e, a specific region. Not the entire planet dumbo.

 

[AngularSaxophone]

Science likes to play dumb with these. What, do they think parts of places just fell off into the water and they now remain submerged? Even when you look at satellite images of the world, you can clearly see what land masses were left covered by water. It’s obvious because it is. Stop trying to complicate everything. 5 year olds could figure this stuff out. I wonder what’s down at the bottom of the Bermuda Triangle.

The flood happened in "they're world" i.e, a specific region. Not the entire planet dumbo.

It was the entire planet. Lake titicaca is another fascinating one.

All of these places were more than likely left covered after the flood.

Africa literally looks like water ran off of the continent from east to west.

 

[Thurible]

If you had watched the two videos, you would have seen artifacts (spears). You would also have gotten good arguments for why not many have been found, (the flood washed alot away + very little archeology work there)

I couldn't stand that video, but I got to the part where he says that a supposed ISLAND nation in the atlantic somehow got LANDLOCKED into an area that would be in Mauritania today. How is that in any way shape or for possible? THE ATLANTIC WAS NEVER IN AFRICA. Most of the video is just speculation anyway, a lot of what ifs and assumptions on his part.

I got to the artifiact part on the second video mentions jewelry and spearheads in the area of his supposed "atlantis". Certainly it suggests people lived in the area he describes, but that does not make it atlantis. There are many cultures that have not been identified to this very day. No one knows exactly who the Hurrians were and where they came from for example.

The flood happened in "they're world" i.e, a specific region. Not the entire planet dumbo.

I would actually agree with you in that the flood was not a worldwide event if it ever actually occurred. I was arguing with sax that the flood should not be taken literally as it contradicts many basic historical and scientific facts.

Science likes to play dumb with these. What, do they think parts of places just fell off into the water and they now remain submerged? Even when you look at satellite images of the world, you can clearly see what land masses were left covered by water. It’s obvious because it is. Stop trying to complicate everything. 5 year olds could figure this stuff out. I wonder what’s down at the bottom of the Bermuda Triangle.



It was the entire planet. Lake titicaca is another fascinating one.

All of these places were more than likely left covered after the flood.

Africa literally looks like water ran off of the continent from east to west.

I'm not even sure where to begin and why I want to bother. I will let someone else handle this.

 

[DGrayson]

Your world view is skewed by Catholicism. You see many of the stories of the Bible as allegory when they aren’t, so you see Plato’s tales as allegory as well. There are many places that existed here before the flood that are still here. They’re just under water. When the waters went back down, they left many things covered. There are also things covered by sand in the desert from when the waters below rose. As far as the Pope goes, he deserves to be mocked. He’s not God. He’s a man just like any of us. Not only that but purposeful misinterpretation has bred constant error. Everything they’ve tried to hide will be brought to light.

It seems you are bringing the thread a bit off topic. Lets keep it to the subject at hand, or reply more directly to other points raised.

 

[AngularSaxophone]

Something something Occam’s razor

It seems you are bringing the thread a bit off topic. Lets keep it to the subject at hand, or reply more directly to other points raised.

Already on it

 

[WaterAstro]

I finished watching part 1, and I have to say that this is just a youtuber taking work from someone else and putting it on youtube for money.

Well, that's just how the world works. Interesting things that I wouldn't have known, I guess, but still feel sleazy for watching it even if he did credit where he got it from. It's just when he says "I found out about..." "I connected the dots..." makes me cringe.

 

[Noboru Wataya]

What this bullshit thread title? You should join gawker.

 

[Makariel]

I found Atlantis in that Indiana Jones point and click adventure game, therefore I know it is real. Need to make a YouTube video how I found it.

 

[WaterAstro]

I dunno... I think the shakespeare sonnet conspiracy video is cooler. This guy just keeps making suggestions and really has none of his own findings.

Meh video. I'd rather watch those "Ten fact" videos.

 

[NiiloPielinen]

 

[WinterIsComing]

Africa literally looks like water ran off of the continent from east to west.

Maybe someone tilted the flat plate we call Earth, could explain it.

 

[Snoopycat]

Wake up sheeple, the denial of Atlanta's existance is all part of the libral agenda.

 

[Clear]

I honestly do not get why people get so angry over stuff like this. I think its interesting to hear these theories because even if I'm rarely entirely sold on the content/concepts, I don't see any harm in entertaining the possibilities.

Obviously I disregard the really egregious bullshit like the "ancient aliens" stuff, but I definitely feel there's some merit in the idea that the conventionally understood model of early human civilizational history may be incomplete and/or flawed.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

If you had watched the two videos, you would have seen artifacts (spears). You would also have gotten good arguments for why not many have been found, (the flood washed alot away + very little archeology work there)

He may onto something, maybe that is the site of a lost society but why would it be literally Atlantis and not some unknown society?

That was the point I was making, it's certainly possible that there could be lost civilizations out there but Atlantis itself is likely just a story.

 

[petran79]

Nope. I could be wrong, but from the top of my head the story of atlantis came from plato as an allegorical device in one of his lessons. Then some came to believe it was real or based off of a real civilization. There is little to no actual proof that there is an advanced civilization that was killed off by a flood or somehow still exists. There have certainly been coastal villages in the past that have experienced floods and great loss of life, but certainly not an entire people.

Also consider, why is Plato the only source on "the history" of atlantis if it isn't a teaching device? Things have to have multiple sources to be verified and just having Plato say "atlantis exists" is not good enough to be verifiable. We need artifiacts, records, and the like. However, none of those exists. I think it is safe to assume that this fabled civilization is just a fable.

Edit: I am right, it is an allegorical device from Plato's works Timaeus and Critias on the hubris of nations.

I agree but it would be wrong to dismiss any legends.
People believed the same about Troy, only existing as a mythic town, yet Eric Schlieman proved it existed.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

I thought it was well known Kratos was behind the destruction of Atlantis...

 

[Kenpachii]

They didn't found anything. They just found another round structure and try to bolt every logic around it to make it fit there bill.

 

[Supreme Allah]

He may onto something, maybe that is the site of a lost society but why would it be literally Atlantis and not some unknown society?

That was the point I was making, it's certainly possible that there could be lost civilizations out there but Atlantis itself is likely just a story.

See the videos. The site fits the exact description of Atlantis.

 

[womfalcs3]

Since this thread's purpose is dead, is your name supposed to be glorifying God or are you calling yourself the supreme God?

 

[Basoes]

shouldn't there be a question mark at the end of the thread title? because this shit is not a fact, please check yourself before you wreck yourself. as you so clearly have did

 

[Supreme Allah]

Since this thread's purpose is dead, is your name supposed to be glorifying God or are you calling yourself the supreme God?

Never seen Oz?

 

[AngularSaxophone]

Since this thread's purpose is dead, is your name supposed to be glorifying God or are you calling yourself the supreme God?

Wouldn’t matter. Those who use the term Allah usually will also say Christ was just a man and not the Son of God.

 

[GermanZepp]

You might want to check this channel

 

[Thurible]

I agree but it would be wrong to dismiss any legends.
People believed the same about Troy, only existing as a mythic town, yet Eric Schlieman proved it existed.

Perhaps I have been a bit dismissive, but that is only because I have passion for the subject of history. To give baseless speculation on the existence of a mythical civilization with no evidence is detrimental to the truth. I may research a little into the people that apparently left jewelry and spearheads in the area (if it isn't some kind of hoax to try to sell the idea of a fictitious atlantis as the videomaker clearly does).

Edit: The Richad Structure is largely believed by geologists to be a natural formation. "The Richat Structure of Mauritania has captured the attention of astronauts for about as long as NASA has sent humans into orbit around Earth. This circular geologic feature is thought to be caused by an uplifted dome—geologists would classify it as a domed anticline—that has been eroded to expose the originally flat rock layers." -NASA. It seems unlikely that it is a remnant of something manmade. I am still searching for information on the artifiacts that don't come from the Atlantis Project, which just mentions them in passing and seems to be completely sold on the idea that it is Atlantis.

 

[Mr Nash]

I don't really pay much attention to this Atlantis stuff, but I do find Gobekli Tepe to be extremely interesting. We have a dig site that's only 10% excavated and all signs point to some sort of society many thousands of years older than Egypt. It was made in what we thought should be the stone age, but there is so much stuff being found there that is well beyond that technologically (carvings in high relief, necklace beads with holes that have been drilled, etc).

I do find stuff like the research being done that suggest that a comet fragment impact may have ended the last ice age and submerged most coastal settlements interesting. Maybe there are lost civilizations, but we'd never know if they existed during the ice age. During that time, the most easily farmed lands would have been on the coasts, which would be where oceans are now since sea levels were significantly lower what with so much water having been reallocated to glaciers. All of those cities would be submerged now. For the longest time, a lot of this was just conjecture, but ice core samples and geological studies in North America keep on adding credence to the possibility of comet fragments having slammed into the earth around 11,000 years ago.

 

[Supreme Allah]

Perhaps I have been a bit dismissive, but that is only because I have passion for the subject of history. To give baseless speculation on the existence of a mythical civilization with no evidence is detrimental to the truth. I may research a little into the people that apparently left jewelry and spearheads in the area (if it isn't some kind of hoax to try to sell the idea of a fictitious atlantis as the videomaker clearly does).

Edit: The Richad Structure is largely believed by geologists to be a natural formation. "The Richat Structure of Mauritania has captured the attention of astronauts for about as long as NASA has sent humans into orbit around Earth. This circular geologic feature is thought to be caused by an uplifted dome—geologists would classify it as a domed anticline—that has been eroded to expose the originally flat rock layers." -NASA. It seems unlikely that it is a remnant of something manmade. I am still searching for information on the artifiacts that don't come from the Atlantis Project, which just mentions them in passing and seems to be completely sold on the idea that it is Atlantis.

Just because its not man made doesnt mean it couldnt been Atlantis. The shape of it might have caused people to settle there.

 

[Thurible]

Just because its not man made doesnt mean it couldnt been Atlantis. The shape of it might have caused people to settle there.

Why is a domed anticline attractive to settlers? Perhaps there were people who lived in the area, but what makes them atlanteans? How does an island become inland of Africa?

 

[Supreme Allah]

Why is a domed anticline attractive to settlers? Perhaps there were people who lived in the area, but what makes them atlanteans? How does an island become inland of Africa?

Check the two videos and your questions will be answered.

 

[Tevious]

I've watched these videos when they came out and I have to say that it's the most plausible theory I've heard for Atlantis if (and I emphasize on IF) Atlantis ever existed. That said, the thread title is quite click-baity and I agree that it should be a question mark instead of an exclamation point. There's a lot of interesting points brought up that at least makes the Richat Structure worth further investigation and some excavation. I also cannot wrap my head around why so many people treat every theory out there as if they are presented as fact and completely dismiss or refuse to even listen to them. No one is asking you to believe this site is Atlantis, it's just a proposal.

Edit: The Richad Structure is largely believed by geologists to be a natural formation. "The Richat Structure of Mauritania has captured the attention of astronauts for about as long as NASA has sent humans into orbit around Earth. This circular geologic feature is thought to be caused by an uplifted dome—geologists would classify it as a domed anticline—that has been eroded to expose the originally flat rock layers." -NASA. It seems unlikely that it is a remnant of something manmade. I am still searching for information on the artifiacts that don't come from the Atlantis Project, which just mentions them in passing and seems to be completely sold on the idea that it is Atlantis.

Why are you replying with counterarguments without having watched the videos? This very point was already discussed in the video. Even Jimmy (Bright Insight) suggests that Atlantis would have likely been built on top the Richat Structure as a natural formation and that building the site themselves would have been an insurmountable task with the amount of dirt and rock that would have had to have been moved to form it.

 

[Supreme Allah]

Bright Insight has uploaded a third video about the subject with new evidence.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Man, I love how these random ass youtubers have figured out something that actual archeologists, actual scientists, actual *researchers* haven't. Man, we should just have youtubers do all the jobs. Clearly they know more than the people who dedicated their lives to research this shit.

 

[LordPezix]

I actually watched this about two weeks ago and yeah I there is no doubt in my mind that site is very much where Atlantis, had it not been destroyed, would've been.


Edit: Did anyone of you actually watch the videos? I've seen them all and the evidence is overwhelming. A lot of the comments against it literally are answered in the video, and the story of Atlantis just didn't come from Plato, but you would know that if you actually watched the video... instead of drive by posting.

 

[strange headache]

Did anyone of you actually watch the videos?

Nah, I'll wait until that youtube video is peer reviewed by people who actually know what they are talking about. Which is probably never, for obvious reasons.

 

[LordPezix]

Nah, I'll wait until that youtube video is peer reviewed by people who actually know what they are talking about. Which is probably never, for obvious reasons.

Not surprised.

 

[strange headache]

Not surprised.

I'm terribly sorry for not taking everything at face value what some random youtuber claims in his clickbait videos for financial gain.
"Atlantis is real you guyz, I know because I watched a video on youtube that like totally proves it !!1!!1!"

Skepticism, my friend, is a healthy thing.