I think I'd be snowed under having to manage a team full of Wild Cards.
Atlus JP puts up Persona related teaser site counting down to November 24
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I think I'd be snowed under having to manage a team full of Wild Cards.
The only reason the party members can't switch personas is probably because it would remove any difficulty possible with the "1 More!" system. I mean, don't get me wrong, if you're smart with the MCs personas you can accomplish much the same thing, but they probably make sure you can only switch a persona once per round of combat for a reason....
Now, if they make it kind of like how Persona 1 had it with "groups" of tarots being the best for each person, but made sure that all personas of those groups had the same elemental strengths/weaknesses, it could probably work better. A lot of the arcana specialize in elemental types anyway(though 4 really worked hard to break this up for some reason). As an example, Chie could specialize in Chariot and Strength arcanas(though I think Tower also used a lot of physicals), so keep the same elemental weaknesses for those. Of course, that's kind of what they already did with each of the character's personas anyway in terms of skillset.
Now, if they make it kind of like how Persona 1 had it with "groups" of tarots being the best for each person, but made sure that all personas of those groups had the same elemental strengths/weaknesses, it could probably work better. A lot of the arcana specialize in elemental types anyway(though 4 really worked hard to break this up for some reason). As an example, Chie could specialize in Chariot and Strength arcanas(though I think Tower also used a lot of physicals), so keep the same elemental weaknesses for those. Of course, that's kind of what they already did with each of the character's personas anyway in terms of skillset.
AuthenticM
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Was Press Turn what Digital Devil Saga had ? The only other SMT game I have played besides Persona is that, and I feel as if I have seen this expression before.
slightconfuse
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Maybe it's that persona 3DS game. lol
Yeah, DDS uses it. Fewer things would use up icons in DDS if I remember right, but it was otherwise the same system as SMT3.
MysticDistance
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You are correct. Here's another cool fact. DDS uses the same filesystem, and exact engine SMT3 used. The actual filesystem uses SMT3's IMG file.
PartTimeWarrior
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Ghost Chie says hi.
How do you even make that mistake?
buddha0991
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Psycho_Mantis
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Why just first weeks? Why not LTD's? Persona as a franchise is far larger (movies, anime whatever SEGA is going to do etc).
Iirc P4G is over 100k without digital and thats on a much smaller userbase.
Persona's increase in popularity may also (and I think it has) help the SMT series. Theres no doubt Persona is the larger franchise but the two can help each other.
Persona 5 should give us an idea on how much the franchise has really grown.
Hmm, I don't see why three boxes mean three games.
Background/foreground teams are different, somebody just missed it.
Please don't sexualize Nemechi.
Or maybe they thought 1 Chie wasn't enough >_>
... I don't remember that thing having legs. I thought it was just a blob.
cj_iwakura
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She is a Shadow, the True Self.
buddha0991
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You can keep ranking it up and are able to summon better and better demons. I ended up with the same form as this guy, and was able to summon Izanami. Female Angel form gets to summon Lucifer Frost.
I've never seen this youtube reported on anywhere but it seems to have a lot of legit Persona 5 info.
Has potential character art including the English VA actor for each character, some arcana stuff, and some spoilery looking videos that I've avoided. Figured GAF should know about it, though.
http://www.youtube.com/user/ATLUSxP5/feed?filter=2
Has potential character art including the English VA actor for each character, some arcana stuff, and some spoilery looking videos that I've avoided. Figured GAF should know about it, though.
http://www.youtube.com/user/ATLUSxP5/feed?filter=2
Psycho_Mantis
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That is so old. Its all fan made. Most of the characters are form certain manga and that guy with his palm on his face is dojima.
Oh ok cool. Thanks.
BronsonLee
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Dojima is Protagonist of P5 confirmed, Prequel Status
WE'LL FINALLY FIND OUT P4 Spoilers
WHO KILLED HIS WIFE
It was me
In the hall
With the revolver
It was me
In the hall
With the revolver
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go home and sleep with my wife
/rollcredits
InfiniteNine
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Might have been the animators not getting paid for some time causing them to slip.
Sakura
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So is SMTIV press turn then? Because that game is way easier than P4. It's so easy to exploit bosses even if you are under levelled because you can just throw in demons that absorb or reflect what they are using, and bam they lose all their turns. At least in P4 bosses feel like more of a challenge. Your party, aside from you, has fixed weaknesses, bosses generally do not have weaknesses and thus don't grant you the one more, you can't sap a bosses turns just by absorbing an attack etc. Just feels way more balanced.
Nocturne, IV and DDS games all have Press Turn.
That you actually made a movie Clue reference warms my heart. <3
Dojima is the p5 protag, but Dojima's beta version is in Persona: Trinity Soul.
Therefore, Persona 5 is the story of Persona: Trinity Soul! CASE CLOSED.
Yukiko has the best everything.
Just putting that out there.
Ok, so we've moved from the Platform wars discussion, to the SMT vs Persona discussion, and now we're moving onto waifu wars.
Yep, it's certainly a Persona topic now.
Is it possible to imbue a demon that's immune to all attack types (in SMT4)? Seems like it would be, 8 types for 8 defense abilities not counting a demon's innate resistances.
Of course, it wouldn't work on most main story bosses since they're programmed to use Megidola if they find you immune to their regular abilities.
Ok, so we've moved from the Platform wars discussion, to the SMT vs Persona discussion, and now we're moving onto waifu wars.
Yep, it's certainly a Persona topic now.
November 24 is a really long time away, like 2 months away. Still don't think it's P5 though.
Psycho_Mantis
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Source material:
Greta thread where I found this out:
http://www.atlus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10036&page=16
Persona 5 is the new Silent Hill?
buddha0991
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What happened with this picture btw?
Was it confirmed to be fake?
If it's legit then the 3 boxes could simply be the 3 main characters of Persona 5
thats for a visual novel he worked on
Of course it is possible.
That's my main problem with the fact that you now choose the skill during fusion: you get far too powerfull far too easily.
The system in Nocturne (and all PS2 games) was frustrating, but at least it kept a semblance of balance in the difficulty of the game.
In SMT4 and P4: Golden on the other hand...
As mentioned above, the main problem is that you CAN easily fuse demons that don't have weaknesses and OP skills in SMT4.
Not the press turn system.
Try out Nocturne, you'll see if this system makes a game easy.
mugurumakensei
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Nocturne really isn't difficult at all, and it's also easy to fuse demons with no weakness and op skills in Nocturne. It's just more time consuming having to back out of a fusion. Nocturne at the later parts are extremely easy since you can void quite a few attack with the main character. SMT IV you can't get that many voids on your main.
Persona 4 is beyond easy though.
Yeah, people tend to make Nocturne like the ultimate hard game, which it is not.
It's still harder than SMT4 though.
However, if you spend 2h to make one OP demon (which is ouf course possible), or if you farm like crazy like a friend of mine did, I personnaly think you're playing the game wrong. The limitation on fusion wasn't there for nothing, and the game is manageable (and more interesting to play) without cheating your way out of the tough fights.
But well, that's a bit off topic.
cj_iwakura
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Always hoped for that kind of motif for P5. Orange would be nice.
And yeah, SMTIV is broken. Nocturne bosses seldom had weaknesses. Even the final boss had them! The early game is pretty nasty, though.
The production values for Persona 4 The Animation are extremely low. Doesn't even seem like they put any effort in until the last five episodes of the TV broadcast.
buddha0991
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^Hell, the production values for Persona: Trinity Soul, were astronomical in comparison.
It is strange cuz despite how broken SMTIV was, it was still one hell of a game, my favorite game of the year so far.
It is strange cuz despite how broken SMTIV was, it was still one hell of a game, my favorite game of the year so far.
InfiniteNine
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Well there was news of the staff not getting paid after episodes already were completed and aired so it probably didn't inspire work ethic either.
Yeah. Poor director + staff not getting paid = lousy effort. It's a miracle that it turned out as good as it was. The best stuff (music and script) came from the Atlus side of things.
Well, at least it was better than the first Persona anime.
Man was that a letdown for me... The last couple episodes were cool though. I see a pattern here.
Maybe because hard doesn't necessarly mean good and easy doesn't necessarly mean bad ?
I just personally rated that as a minor flaw, because I rather enjoyed the rather present (but not impossible) challenge of Nocturne.
I've always assumed the not getting paid thing was a rumor because it didn't end up like everyone thought it was.
The thing that makes me curious about P5's sales is that its not on the PS2 anymore and it won't exactly have the PSP/Vita and to lesser importance 3DS audience on it.
The thing that makes me curious about P5's sales is that its not on the PS2 anymore and it won't exactly have the PSP/Vita and to lesser importance 3DS audience on it.
KibblesBits
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The overwhelming red theme of the game makes me think this will be about anger.
Blue = Sorrow/Fear
Yellow = Interest/Intrigue
Red = Passion/Anger
Green = Joy/Happiness
Going by the old P2 contact system. Perhaps P6 will be green.
Blue = Sorrow/Fear
Yellow = Interest/Intrigue
Red = Passion/Anger
Green = Joy/Happiness
Going by the old P2 contact system. Perhaps P6 will be green.
Would you guys agree that the Persona fanbase has grown more after Persona 4's release window? I mean, just today PersonaGAF got like two or three newly activated members. I personally got into Persona in late 2012 on the recommendation of a friend, and only played Persona 4 Golden/Arena in August. I also got two more friends into the Persona franchise, and that was this year. You can also find tons of posts by people on this forum who discovered Persona games post-P4. I feel like the more time you give the Persona franchise, the bigger it will keep getting because most everybody that plays the games loves it. There's no basis for this, but Persona 5(assuming it's as good as 3 and 4 have been) may just be a media darling that results in a relative breakout hit. The hype and rabid fanbase to spread the good word is there. I'd say that it's in a good position to blow up(relative to past game sales).
Realtalk: I think Persona 5 might break a million in Japan LTD if it's a PS3 game.
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meltingparappa
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To be fair, whoever decided to include the houndstooth patterns should be punched in the face. One of many missteps to make the series more ambitious than the budget would allow it to do.
I know I'm in the minority but I loved the anime. It falters pretty hard at the end, but that final bonus episode was pretty clever.
I think Persona has grown but the fanbase was on the PS2 and PSP/PSV with the SMT(counting spinoffs obviously) fanbase being on the DS/3DS so there's no way to tell how it will sell on the PS3 and whether it will be similar to the old numbers or a lot bigger than it was before.
*shrug*
My perspective obviously paints a rosy picture, because from my perspective it's growing pretty rapidly for what it is. As for why it'd break a million LTD, I dunno. I've got this weird feeling about it. If Persona 4 Golden, a re-release, managed to work as a Vita killer app for the month it released and had a surprisingly good LTD by Atlus' standards, I think we may be pleasantly surprised with how many copies Persona 5 may end up selling. Maybe not quite a million, but I'm expect it to be closer to that number than 500k LTD.
Again, gut feeling.
My perspective obviously paints a rosy picture, because from my perspective it's growing pretty rapidly for what it is. As for why it'd break a million LTD, I dunno. I've got this weird feeling about it. If Persona 4 Golden, a re-release, managed to work as a Vita killer app for the month it released and had a surprisingly good LTD by Atlus' standards, I think we may be pleasantly surprised with how many copies Persona 5 may end up selling. Maybe not quite a million, but I'm expect it to be closer to that number than 500k LTD.
Again, gut feeling.
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