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'Atomic Bomb-Like' Tornado Damage in Oklahoma

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I think the sad part about this thread is even with the destruction of a neighborhood and part of a city, including a few schools, and with people still missing, you guys are here bitching about construction codes for buildings and houses. TL;DR It doesn't matter how well your building is made if a fucking EF5 tornado comes crashing through. 200MPH winds is a lot of force, anything flying at that speed is going to cause damage.
 
What about the soil would make it more cost prohibitive than in other places in the US? As far as I know, there aren't storm safety building regulations really anywhere in the US.
Our foundations are already unstable with the red clay soil found here, and the problem is magnified with basements. It's virtually impossible to guarantee the lasting structural integrity of a basement in Oklahoma, which is why very few people build them. It's also worth noting that home values are among the lowest in the country here, so an expenditure of $5,000 to $10,000 to build a shelter can be far more significant than in the rest of the country.

I also find it somewhat humorous that the people criticizing our building codes and practices are glossing over the fact that for the amount of damage done by this storm, there was a very small loss of life. I'm sure the death toll will rise some, but for there to only be 30 people killed so far with literally thousands of homes completely destroyed is amazing, and speaks to the power of preparedness and storm tracking technology.

In the <<< 1% chance that a storm like this happens again, your odds of survival are still extremely high as long as you take precautions and stay weather-aware.
 
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Our foundations are already unstable with the red clay soil found here, and the problem is magnified with basements. It's virtually impossible to guarantee the lasting structural integrity of a basement in Oklahoma, which is why very few people build them. It's also worth noting that home values are among the lowest in the country here, so an expenditure of $5,000 to $10,000 to build a shelter can be far more significant than in the rest of the country.

I also find it somewhat humorous that the people criticizing our building codes and practices are glossing over the fact that for the amount of damage done by this storm, there was a very small loss of life. I'm sure the death toll will rise some, but for there to only be 30 people killed so far with literally thousands of homes completely destroyed is amazing, and speaks to the power of preparedness and storm tracking technology.

In the <<< 1% chance that a storm like this happens again, your odds of survival are still extremely high as long as you take precautions and stay weather-aware.

I'm not criticizing. I really wasn't aware of the soil issue and my own state, which has major storm damage every year, also has zero storm related building codes and few basements. The US in general is pretty lax on storm prevention building except in California and Florida. Ish.

Also, I also don't really think a basement would do a whole lot in a storm of that magnitude.
 
How much would an underground bunker cost that could hold 500 students and 100 staff? Fuck off.
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Im sure if your kid is killed, yuod be the first to fuck off, am I right?

The TSA has a budget of $7.6 BILLION every fucking year. Money isnt the problem.

What about the soil would make it more cost prohibitive than in other places in the US? As far as I know, there aren't storm safety building regulations really anywhere in the US.

Again, its not cost prohibitive - it's just a cost. And people would rather buy a $35,000 pickup truck over of the $25,000 model instead of paying $4,000 to save their family.

Our foundations are already unstable with the red clay soil found here

In the <<< 1% chance that a storm like this happens again, your odds of survival are still extremely high as long as you take precautions and stay weather-aware.

According to the article, thats because the cheapest construction methods are used.

Under 1%? Funny, thats what they said ten years ago.

The city’s Web site sounds tones that, in retrospect, might seem implausibly optimistic. It says the experience in 1999 — “an extremely unique event weatherwise” — meant that the standard “shelter in place” methods of protection were adequate. If another storm comes, “there’s only a less than 1 percent chance of it being as strong and violent as what we experienced” before.

I do agree that many lives were saved thanks to the warning system. Shame the GOP insists on cutting the funding for it though.


Heres the NYT article looking at the lack of shelters

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/22/u...ted-in-tornado-alley.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


In 2011, a monster tornado razed large parts of Joplin, killing 160 people in a state that had no storm-shelter requirements. The city considered requiring shelters in rebuilt or new homes but decided that doing so would be “cost prohibitive” because the soil conditions make building basements expensive, said the assistant city manager, Sam Anselm. Even so, he estimated that half the homes that had been rebuilt included underground shelters. Schools were being rebuilt with safe rooms, he said.

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Construction standards in Moore have been studied extensively. In a 2002 study published in the journal of the American Meteorological Society, Timothy P. Marshal, an engineer in Dallas, suggested that “the quality of new home construction generally was no better than homes built prior to the tornado” in 1999.

Few homes built in the town after the storm were secured to their foundations with bolted plates, which greatly increase resistance to storms; instead, most were secured with the same kinds of nails and pins that failed in 1999. Just 6 of 40 new homes had closet-size safe rooms.

When $4,000 is considered cost prohibitive, something has gone terribly wrong with your local governance
 
I'm not criticizing. I really wasn't aware of the soil issue and my own state, which has major storm damage every year, also has zero storm related building codes and few basements. The US in general is pretty lax on storm prevention building except in California and Florida. Ish.

Also, I also don't really think a basement would do a whole lot in a storm of that magnitude.
I know you weren't being critical, I was responding to other posters with the majority of my post.
 
Im sure if your kid is killed, yuod be the first to fuck off, am I right?

I would. Considering you're talking about my hometown and with a some different job choices I could still be there I'd still be the first to tell you to fuck off with your armchair bullshit. You lack all understanding of the economics of the area, the statistics of a weather event, and haven't the slightest clue as to how amazing it is that only 24 people died and that low number actually speaks to the preparedness those in the area have for emergency weather events. There wouldn't be a single death had it been an EF3 tornado.
 
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The damage swath of the Moore, Oklahoma tornado of May 20, 2013. EF-4 damage (red colors) occurred along roughly 4 miles of the 17-mile path, and the EF-4 damage swath was up to 0.1 miles wide. The tornado's maximum width of 1.3 miles (EF-0 and greater damage) occurred over a relatively small portion of the path, before the storm reached Moore
 
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