Kabuki Waq
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if the fanbase wasnt enought to keept he series on the air i dont see how it will be that much bigger in movie theaters. Unless like i said the Trailer really kicks ass.
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Attn: Buffy Fans, Point Pleasant Starts Tonight
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Mama Smurf
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I'm not saying the fanbase alone will be enough, just that it's a good start which a lot of other movies won't have.
It has a lot of advantages over Firefly too. Firstly anyone can see it, you don't have to have Fox, so that's an obvious one. Then there's the fact that you can see it any time and not just in a crappy Friday slot. Apparently Universal are pretty excited about it's potential too, so if it gets a decent marketing push, that's another one.
Like I say though, the main thing in it's favour is its low budget. Just $50 million. Even trash like Catwoman, which is considered to have completely bombed, made $40 million in the US alone. Of course you have to factor in marketing costs, which we don't know yet (I think), but I think it's got a really good chance to be profitable.
It has a lot of advantages over Firefly too. Firstly anyone can see it, you don't have to have Fox, so that's an obvious one. Then there's the fact that you can see it any time and not just in a crappy Friday slot. Apparently Universal are pretty excited about it's potential too, so if it gets a decent marketing push, that's another one.
Like I say though, the main thing in it's favour is its low budget. Just $50 million. Even trash like Catwoman, which is considered to have completely bombed, made $40 million in the US alone. Of course you have to factor in marketing costs, which we don't know yet (I think), but I think it's got a really good chance to be profitable.
Best case scenario for Serenity is break-even.....and straight-to-video sequels. I think that's an extreme longshot. Seems so crazy that Whedon is essentially betting his career on a property that is such a hard-sell.
Seems like a lot of Buffy fans are resentful of Firefly anyhow, so I don't know if that fanbase will be operating at full capacity.
Seems like a lot of Buffy fans are resentful of Firefly anyhow, so I don't know if that fanbase will be operating at full capacity.
Mama Smurf
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border said:
What's with the betting his career talk? He'd have to fuck up a hell of a lot more than a (quite) low budget movie bombing for that to happen.
Well with the end of all the trilogies lately I'm betting Universal is trying to make another one with Firefly-Serenity. It's worth the risk of sparing no expense on a large marketing budget to try to create THE NEXT STAR WARS!!!one1!one11 especially since Firefly movies can be made on the cheap.
So assuming that Universal is in fact willing to drop large cash on pushing the movie, how the heck do they go about hyping it?
So assuming that Universal is in fact willing to drop large cash on pushing the movie, how the heck do they go about hyping it?
Mama Smurf
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It's a real problem for them. Just as Buffy looks completely lame to anyone who's never seen it, so does Serenity. The mix of westerns and sci-fi just sounds stupid, and you need to watch it to see how it works.
They can advertise it to the Buffy crowd no problem, just by dropping the phrase "From the creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer" in every so often, but it's the rest they need. I'm sure they could cut trailers so you wouldn't even see much of the western elements, that is, if they think the sci-fi would bring in the audience more. Kind of a cheap trick, but it might work.
It's a difficult one, that's for sure, but I don't work in marketing, so it's no surprise I don't have many ideas. Good reviews will help (assuming it's good anyway).
Hopefully it'll do the opposite of Buffy. No one could have expected a failed movie to turn into such a huge show, so now I failed show can turn into a huge movie. Ah, if only life worked that way.
They can advertise it to the Buffy crowd no problem, just by dropping the phrase "From the creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer" in every so often, but it's the rest they need. I'm sure they could cut trailers so you wouldn't even see much of the western elements, that is, if they think the sci-fi would bring in the audience more. Kind of a cheap trick, but it might work.
It's a difficult one, that's for sure, but I don't work in marketing, so it's no surprise I don't have many ideas. Good reviews will help (assuming it's good anyway).
Hopefully it'll do the opposite of Buffy. No one could have expected a failed movie to turn into such a huge show, so now I failed show can turn into a huge movie. Ah, if only life worked that way.
Well, a bomb here wouldn't mean that he would never gets work again, but it means he'll never really be allowed to helm any original motion picture projects....and just be stuck working with already established IPs, doing screenplay re-writes, and the other various crap stuff like what he was doing before and during Mutant Enemy years. This is where he has to prove himself as a creator of profitable ventures, and trying to do it with space cowboys is gonna be rough.
I think he was better off on TV, where he could make shows that cater to a small but desirable demographic. In the film world you can't really rely on one group when you're making 50 million-dollar movies. I'm surprised that they pushed for such a huge budget on Serenity, too. How did they go from a couple million dollars for 40 minutes to $50 million for 2 hours?
The problem with "From the creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer!" is that it will probably turn off just as many people as it brings in.
I think he was better off on TV, where he could make shows that cater to a small but desirable demographic. In the film world you can't really rely on one group when you're making 50 million-dollar movies. I'm surprised that they pushed for such a huge budget on Serenity, too. How did they go from a couple million dollars for 40 minutes to $50 million for 2 hours?
The problem with "From the creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer!" is that it will probably turn off just as many people as it brings in.
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The Firefly pilot alone cost $12 million.
$50 million dollars is not a huge budget. Not for a film like this, which is going to need effects work.
$50 million dollars is not a huge budget. Not for a film like this, which is going to need effects work.
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Did anyone else catch the 2nd ep? It was a big improvement over the pilot which as pointed out seemed more like a dark 90210. The 2nd ep seemed alot more like something Marti would do. It had a much bigger emphasis on the darker stuff, the arrival of that guy looking over Christina helped alot. If it can stay on this road instead of going back down the 90210 crap it could turn out to be a good series.
Kabuki Waq
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keiichi said:
Actually no it wasnt because of the DVDS or the fanbase that sparked the develpement of the movie, it was just joss begging and pitching the movie.
Cmon the movie it got moved from summer to september eventhought it was done. The writing is ont eh wall.
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I watched it and thought it was about 100% better than the first one. I especially liked theSolidSnakex said:
burning priest hanging from the ship's sail
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Aw fuck. I even thought about catching the 2nd ep, too. Then I thought, "fuck that show, there's no way it's gonna get better if the writers come up with crap like that for the pilot" and just decided to keep watching I Love the 90's.
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Mercury Fred said:
Yah the burning priest on the boat was a nice touch.
I like the scene with Christina in the street with all the dead bodies. It gives some potential to where the show could possibly go. There aren't too many shows where the main character is evil so this would be a nice turn. Finding out what the sign thats on her eye is was a pretty cool twist too. I didn't notice that at all till it was put together.
One thing that's been brought up on other forums is how fast the show seems to be moving. It seems to be jumping ahead really fast. Almost like everything is unfolding faster than it really should be. They're going to have to slow it down a bit I think.
I like the scene with Christina in the street with all the dead bodies. It gives some potential to where the show could possibly go. There aren't too many shows where the main character is evil so this would be a nice turn. Finding out what the sign thats on her eye is was a pretty cool twist too. I didn't notice that at all till it was put together.
One thing that's been brought up on other forums is how fast the show seems to be moving. It seems to be jumping ahead really fast. Almost like everything is unfolding faster than it really should be. They're going to have to slow it down a bit I think.
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Kabuki Waq said:
Joss Whedon:
"So what happened? Well, nothing terribly original. April got crowded with a lot of titles aimed at a similar demographic, and the studio decided September was a clearer corridor for the film to make the kind of impact it should. This isn't about a lack of confidence in the film -- in fact, they told me this before they even saw it. And now they have seen it, and unless they're way better liars than I'm used to, they dug it. Actually, they dug it pretty large, which is a good sign since there's not a single finished effect in the film. There's no reworking the end, no reshoots, no "does it have to be in space?". It's just a marketing issue. Now you'll get to watch lots of trailers in the summer. And hopefully, by the time it comes out, other people, people who ain't us, will get a whiff of what we're up to, and come along too."
As for point Pleasant, the second episode was a lot better, but still not great.
The show just lacks any subtlety. It's also seriously lacking in likable characters. The main girl is good, the daughter of the family she's with could be but at the moment is just a nothing character, and while the guy who rescued her is nice enough, I'm getting pretty fed up of the jock who could be an asshole, but turns out to be a nice guy. There used to be a cliched jock character who you'd always hate, and initially these nicer jocks were bucking the trend, but now it's just old. Other than those three though, I really don't like the characters.
That bad guy who's around her could be good if they handle him with a bit more subtlety. And they need to give more time to the guy she thinks is her dad, with fuck all screen time he's still managed to be the character I like best.
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SolidSnakex said:
I liked that idea, and I've seen shows like Smallville pull similar things off extremely well, but I thought they just didn't quite get it right. Still, promising for the future.
This is part of what I meant about the lack of subtlety being shown, glad I'm not the only one who thinks it.
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Mama Smurf said:
The full scene should tell us more. It's hard to tell if it's Christina's doing or if its her fathers/the villain like the boat incident.
About the boat, i'm actually surprised that Christina didn't do something to Paulas boat. She seem to know that they screwed up their boat. That's what I was waiting to see happen. She's already tried to kill the girl before.
About the boat, i'm actually surprised that Christina didn't do something to Paulas boat. She seem to know that they screwed up their boat. That's what I was waiting to see happen. She's already tried to kill the girl before.
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SolidSnakex said:
Ok, so clearly I wasn't paying attention, I thought
that was an entire scene and there wasn't anything to add. If I could remember how that scene came about, what triggered it, it would help, but I can't. At the time I thought it was just showing her fears of the future or what she could become or something.
Seeing as she knew it was them for no fucking reason, something should have happened, or they should have not had her know.
i haven't seen this and don't really plan to.
i don't have huge hopes for serenity. i'm with whoever said break even, small profit at best. the whole cowboys in space thing is just stupid, even to people who like whedon's stuff.
i think our only hope is if noxon's show fails miserably, dushku develops a huge coke habit, and serenity bombs. maybe then we'll see more buffyverse stuff. otherwise looks like it's curtains.
i don't have huge hopes for serenity. i'm with whoever said break even, small profit at best. the whole cowboys in space thing is just stupid, even to people who like whedon's stuff.
i think our only hope is if noxon's show fails miserably, dushku develops a huge coke habit, and serenity bombs. maybe then we'll see more buffyverse stuff. otherwise looks like it's curtains.
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Mama Smurf said:
The scene happens right after the priest goes down into the chruch and reads those books about what's suppose to happen when the girl arrives.
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It really didn't make much sense. I was kind of expecting her to start a small fire on the boat or make it start leaking but nothing happen, she just let them go.
Did you or anyone else happen to see the preview for next weeks ep? I haven't seen a description but those that saw it said it looks like its going to be even better than this episode was.
"maybe then we'll see more buffyverse stuff. otherwise looks like it's curtains."
Joss has said there will be more stuff from it and that it definetly wasn't over. It all comes down to if he can get the show he wants, and the main one he's wanted is the Faith spinoff as that seems like the one that'd be the most likely success. He also said we haven't seen the last of Puppet Angel.
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SolidSnakex said:
Oh yeah, I remember it a bit better now. I still don't think that means there's anymore of the scene to show.
I'd like to see a Faith spinoff, but when Tim Minear was going to helm it and it looked like it might happen, I wasn't overly thrilled by his ideas of how it'd go.
In fact, I've found the quote:
"I had come up with a pitch," explains Angel exec producer and occasional director Tim Minear. "Eliza was gracious, kind and wonderful, but she felt like she wanted to do something new. There is no hard feelings there. But the show was basically going to be Faith Meets Kung Fu. It would have been Faith, probably on a motorcycle, crossing the earth, trying to find her place in the world. I’m sure it would get an arc at some point, but the idea of her rooted somewhere seemed wrong to me. The idea of her constantly on the move seemed right to be. And she broke out of prison (on Angel) so there would have been some people after her."
Meh. That would basically destroy the main reason I watched Buffy and Angel, the interactions between the characters and their growth. In that scenario, we wouldn't even have the same characters each week, except for Faith (I can't see a gang of people moving round with her).
If they do ever get to do a Faith spinoff, I'd prefer them to tie her to a place kind of like they did with Spike in Angel S5. I'd want her reluctant to stay (as I agree with Tim when he says her being in the same place by choice doesn't fit her character), and sometimes not staying, but she ends up in the same place either through force or because she realises people need her. And eventually she builds bonds and stays by choice.
I'm personally more excited about the Ripper/The Watcher idea though. For those who don't know, it'd focus on Giles in England. I think it has a better chance of being made too. Whedon has said many times he wants to make a programme for the BBC, and that's what Ripper would be. A lot of the problems Joss has with TV just don't exist with the BBC. You don't have to worry about cancellation before you've told your story, as series are only like 6-9 episodes long and are all filmed before being put on TV. Reality TV's not going to get in the way either, and no worry about money from commercials as the BBC doesn't have any.
I always wanted Ripper to happen and to have Dawn/Andrew as regulars too. They're both characters who are stifled by those around them, not really able to grow under their shadows, and would be able to in Ripper. They also wouldn't overshadow Giles and obviously there's comic relief from Andrew. That's just what I'd do though.
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Tonight's PP sounds pretty good. Here's a tease with minor spoilers from aintitcool:
http://aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=19260
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"Ben Edlund authored this evenings installment of Point Pleasant,"
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I have to agree. "Smile Time" was one of the greatest hours of television ever produced.SolidSnakex said:
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Once again, PP's quality increases just a bit from the episode that's gone before.
While the
So, I'm on board. Here's hoping the show continues to improve.
While the
lighthouse scene at the end cheesed me out a bit, I like that Christina is starting to feel her power a little and understands that she can pretty much fuck people up with it.
Also, I really liked the walking tour turning into a grim history of all of the terrible things that have happened in the town. "what's syphilis?" :lol
Setting up Jesse as a Christ figure is a little too facile for my taste though. I hope it's a little more complicated than that.
Also, I really liked the walking tour turning into a grim history of all of the terrible things that have happened in the town. "what's syphilis?" :lol
Setting up Jesse as a Christ figure is a little too facile for my taste though. I hope it's a little more complicated than that.
So, I'm on board. Here's hoping the show continues to improve.
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Mercury Fred said:
That part was awful. If they're going to turn it into a story where Christina is slowly being turned to Christ in a big ball of giant cliche i'm going to be annoyed. The show has so much potential with simply making her evil that it'd be crazy to have it go down a cliche way. Seriously the best parts of the series have been when she's been evil. The part where she starting making the guy choke, where he started bleeding our his nose, when she tried to blow up the girl dating Jesse, and where she told the father to go kill that guy. The worst parts have been when they try to make her good.
The best thing about the show right now (other than how unbelievably cute Aubrey Dollar is) is Boyd. Such an awesome character.
The best thing about the show right now (other than how unbelievably cute Aubrey Dollar is) is Boyd. Such an awesome character.
I did like the ep though for the evil moments alone. There needs to be more of that.
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