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August Wrasslin |OT| When Russo Shoots, He Shoots To Kill
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Who gives a shit?
M'lady
That guy above Paige's arm looks grossed out.
serenewarfare
Banned
If you are justifying the Wyatt thing because there's no one else Cena hasn't already beaten a bunch, that is absolutely terrible logic and just illustrates the very problem here.
I mean with him running down the ramp and jumping like the match didn't matter. Nothing about tonight demonstrated a bit of selling from a down point of his career. Hell he sold losing to the rock way better than losing to brock at summerslam.
melonrabbit
Member
Jeff Hardy coming back going to solve everything.
Orton. Ripple H. Steph.
EnVy_CaLiBeR
Member
Literally. Their need to rely on Cena and continuously allowing him to bury talent is why the WWE is in the position to where they have to rely on part-timers and the same handful of guys to keep things afloat.
The Mango Sentinel
Member
From tonight it looks like Reigns is fueding with Rollins. And even if Orton was gonna fued with Cena again, there's no reason he couldn't have had a match with Cena tonight. It didn't have to be 3 people. Just one heel would've gotten the job done....kinda like how the match started out.
They called Bryan's knee "The knee that beat Cena" for months. I think they did a solid job at reminding people that Bryan beat Cena at Summerslam.
Unless that was sarcasm.
JesseEwiak
Member
Vince McMahon does. And that's who matters.
They didn't need to do it to the Wyatts.
It also would have helped sell the worst defeat of his career if he wasn't kissing babies and patting little jimmies on the head as the show went off the air. Cena doesn't seem very shaken by the whole thing.
melonrabbit
Member
What if he's Willow? Cena's never beaten Willow, you guys.
TNA is non-canon confirmed by the 2k15 panel
Did you notice that during every video package leading up to WM 30 they never showed Bryan pinning Cena? They literally start with Bryan getting pedigreed by HHH and gloss over who Bryan beat for the title in the first place.
He's at least fourth right now. Brock. Orton. HHH. I'd say Rollins is ahead of him too.
Cena is number one face right now so he should bury someone that low in a fight he takes seriously.
Honestly, Wyatt's like #5 or 6.
#1: Brock/Paul Heyman
#2: HHH/Stephanie
#3: Orton
#4: Rollins
#5: Rusev
#6: Wyatt
slightconfuse
Banned
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Serpentine
Banned
Wendel Clark
Member
Cena had nothing to do with bryan at wm
This heel discussion really is part of the problem.
The only major active wrestling heels right now besides Brock are Orton, Rollins, Kane and the Wyatt's. And Orton, Rollins and Kane are all with the Authority.
Besides them you've got Rusev who is feuding with Jack Swagger, The Miz (lol) and Cesaro (lol).
There's nobody for Cena to squash, that will matter, but the Wyatt's.
The only major active wrestling heels right now besides Brock are Orton, Rollins, Kane and the Wyatt's. And Orton, Rollins and Kane are all with the Authority.
Besides them you've got Rusev who is feuding with Jack Swagger, The Miz (lol) and Cesaro (lol).
There's nobody for Cena to squash, that will matter, but the Wyatt's.
The worst part of this whole thing was Cena trying to copy Lesnar with the German Suplexes.
So now Cena is gonna beat Lesnar at NoC? WWE had the perfect plot for Lesnar being a monster for months to come until either Wrestlemania or another year. They could use that time then to build a star up to a point where he would be ready to take on Lesnar, and than that star looks great because he defeats the monster Lesnar.
Instead, we're gonna get Cena redeeming (again) and "come through against the odds" (again) by beating a guy that literally just squished him a week ago. Then Cena ties Flair, loses to Reigns for title at Royal Rumble, than Cena Rematch at Wrestlemania and wins title against Reigns for 17.
This is why I hate the WWE of today. This is why I despise the Cena character today. They refuse to build up other stars and instead just feed them to Cena. -_-
So now Cena is gonna beat Lesnar at NoC? WWE had the perfect plot for Lesnar being a monster for months to come until either Wrestlemania or another year. They could use that time then to build a star up to a point where he would be ready to take on Lesnar, and than that star looks great because he defeats the monster Lesnar.
Instead, we're gonna get Cena redeeming (again) and "come through against the odds" (again) by beating a guy that literally just squished him a week ago. Then Cena ties Flair, loses to Reigns for title at Royal Rumble, than Cena Rematch at Wrestlemania and wins title against Reigns for 17.
This is why I hate the WWE of today. This is why I despise the Cena character today. They refuse to build up other stars and instead just feed them to Cena. -_-
I just don't see Rollins as that over. He's in a decent position, but I think his promos have made people less interested in him. He gets pops in the ring in actual matches, but that rarely translates well to heel heat since he's not a monster or booked like that. Especially because he's mostly looked like a goof other than the Ambrose thing(which he needed Kane's help to do) And Roman is gonna run him over completely if his booking stays the same.
I guess Rusev, but I still think Bray's a lot more over than Rusev, and Bray has survived for bad feuds, more established than the new hotness. And I REALLY don't think Orton's over as a heel. In fact, I'd put him below HHH/Steph, Bray, Rollins AND Rusev.
I guess Rusev, but I still think Bray's a lot more over than Rusev, and Bray has survived for bad feuds, more established than the new hotness. And I REALLY don't think Orton's over as a heel. In fact, I'd put him below HHH/Steph, Bray, Rollins AND Rusev.
HerbertFish
Member
Cesaro would have been fine had he not been jobbing to Kofi
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Get ready for reign 16 early
JesseEwiak
Member
It's called a narrow focus on the story. I mean, I understand there has to be a vast conspiracy against Bryan with John Cena whispering into Vince McMahon's air like Wormtounge to 'buryyyyy himmm', but the truth is, the story at WM wasn't about Bryan beating Cena. It was Bryan getting revenge on the Authority and regaining his title.
Bingo. The Wyatt's at this point, rightly or wrongly, are the NAO's during peak DX. Heels. Over heels. But, not main event heels. I'm sure Steve Austin stunned the Outlaws and other heels of that level approximately 8,819 times during the Attitude Era.
Of course, the main reason why I'm OK with this was that I was never that into the Wyatt's, aside from Luke Harper. Wyatt's a sub-standard Kevin Sullivan cosplayer who's a decent wrestler and Rowan is now just becoming a servicable wrestler. Let Harper branch off and boot people and you'll have a supporter. Let Wyatt continue to compose interviews that sound like the ramblings of a 14-year-old e-fedder with a wrestler named Gothik.
To be fair, we were discussing which heels were booked strongly, not which heels were over.
All of those people you mentioned have been booked more strongly than Wyatt since Mania.
The Mango Sentinel
Member
Ehhhh......I guess. But I would say that's because it's not important who he beat. The story was between Bryan and the Authority. Them talking about him beating Cena wouldn't have added anything.
But you somewhat have a point.
Orton? Really?
Guys who could've been fed to Cena instead of Wyatt tonight:
-Luke Harper
-Eric Rowan
-Curtis Axel
-Ryback (do a full-show build about their history)
-Orton
-Kane
But eh...whatever. This won't matter in the grand scheme of things. Wyatt will go on to bigger and better things anyway.
I think Wyatt is probably the #3 heel in the company behind Brock/Heyman and HHH/Steph. Rollins is a benefactor of feuding with Ambrose IMO, I need to see how he works with someone else before I say he's #3. Nobody really seems to care about Orton any more. Rusev is climbing though, I might put him at #4 above Orton.
And Bray was one of the few new characters they came up with that I really enjoyed that had glimpses of greatness but was fed to the Cena machine. I'm sure I can dig up posts where I even said that Bray was the only reason I was watching Raw.
So it sucks to see this happen just to put over a rematch that shouldn't even happen. A rematch that makes Cena seem like a delusional loser who can't accept that he got beat clean and bad.
So it sucks to see this happen just to put over a rematch that shouldn't even happen. A rematch that makes Cena seem like a delusional loser who can't accept that he got beat clean and bad.
Serpentine
Banned
He didn't shuck and jive because he HAD to, he shucked and jived because he was BORN to
It makes perfect sense when you consider that Cena is really the heel.
Tonight was rough, guys.
We need That Motherfucker when times are rough.
Wrestler so cold the crusierweight belt was shooked.
slightconfuse
Banned
bray is nothing but an entrance. Guys inky good match has Ben with d-Bryan
JesseEwiak
Member
It's called a rematch clause. It's one of the most basic things in wrestling.
HOMEBOY OVER HERE
Banned
you gotta admit aj is really cute
