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AusGAF 2.0 - Twice the price, a year late but still moving forward
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Sure, if you like having tiered systems where your quality of care and schooling depends on your or you're parents income bracket.
Ideally in a meritocracy we would have people generally have the same start in life, and the same standards of care.
Personally I think the government should spend more resources on improving its 'own house' rather then simply giving people tickets and a hand out to 'go to first class'. People who are generally already earning enough to afford it on their own. Those who cant afford it? Meh, you get whats left over. Air conditioning? Hold a raffle you damn plebs! Government cant pay for those kinds of luxuries!
Education is the one... 'ticket' in life that can make up for your poor beginnings, for your generational poverty. Are those kids getting the treatment they deserve? Are those kids getting into the private schools with lower teacher/pupil ratios? No, its the ones that 'can almost afford it but I kinda want to buy a pool too soooooooo....' families. Instead of demolishing barriers we are reinforcing them. The gap between rich and poor continues to grow. And we throw cash at the middle to make the gap deeper. We pretend 'rebates' and mean testing are somehow discriminatory, that '100k a year isnt really that much'.
And the kids going to private schooling are just used as an excuse to cut public and increase spending on private schools. Its not like public schools get more money, or benefit at all at the end of this.
Ideally in a meritocracy we would have people generally have the same start in life, and the same standards of care.
Personally I think the government should spend more resources on improving its 'own house' rather then simply giving people tickets and a hand out to 'go to first class'. People who are generally already earning enough to afford it on their own. Those who cant afford it? Meh, you get whats left over. Air conditioning? Hold a raffle you damn plebs! Government cant pay for those kinds of luxuries!
Education is the one... 'ticket' in life that can make up for your poor beginnings, for your generational poverty. Are those kids getting the treatment they deserve? Are those kids getting into the private schools with lower teacher/pupil ratios? No, its the ones that 'can almost afford it but I kinda want to buy a pool too soooooooo....' families. Instead of demolishing barriers we are reinforcing them. The gap between rich and poor continues to grow. And we throw cash at the middle to make the gap deeper. We pretend 'rebates' and mean testing are somehow discriminatory, that '100k a year isnt really that much'.
And the kids going to private schooling are just used as an excuse to cut public and increase spending on private schools. Its not like public schools get more money, or benefit at all at the end of this.
Well, its known that people from higher socieo economic groups do better, attend university at higher rates... etc...legend166 said:
And people from lower income brackets are much more likely to attend public schools.
The 2009 Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) results for Australia showed no significant differences in average student performance between school sectors in reading, mathematics or science, once student socio-economic background was taken into account.
Students from low-income families make up only 22 per cent of enrolments in ''independent'' schools and 25 per cent in Catholic schools, compared with 40 per cent in government schools.
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/so...-segregated-school-system-20110303-1bgbe.html
Again, its about improving the educational prospects of the kids who actually need it the most, the ones near the bottom of the 'income bracket'.
Im not suggesting that public school is bad or ineffective, I remember a study showing that kids from Public schools, a few years ago, did better at uni comparatively than those from private ones.
Since we know that wealth disparity has alot to do with educational performance, why are we pretty much separating the haves and have nots?
This is also largely a new... phenomenon, but there is a trend towards private education from those that can afford it, and the public schools have a growing percentage of those that cannot afford it. Has public schooling improved? No, Australia spends the second least in the OECD and of that only 75% goes to public schooling, compared to an 85% average. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/10/2360520.htm?section=australia
Where are the benefits from the shift to Private schooling? None, just an excuse to spend less on public schooling, and the cycle continues.
fffffff, im supposed to be working not trying to find sources for internets fights >_>
The problem is that the Government which cuts private school funding to give to public and do the right thing loses the next election, this is a guarantee.
Policies in our country are far, far to driven by votes.
Vook, how the heck do you find the friend code ? are you up for a game tonight?
Policies in our country are far, far to driven by votes.
Vook, how the heck do you find the friend code ? are you up for a game tonight?
reptilescorpio
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Found one machine at our uni that is $3 for a coke for some reason. Also one hidden away in the Engineering department with Vanilla Coke cans for $2! Totally worth the walk. Worst thing in the world is that our main building is being renovated so nowhere on campus sells beerRezbit said:
Why was that St Kilda chick on 60 minutes?
Why is the media still refusing to name her and block her face out, when everyone and their cat knows who she is?
And I dont know how I should feel about the whole thing... I just care so little about it that I cant fathom how I feel...
Whats the general consensus? Just feels like the media is using a young stupid person to 'get hits'.... or she is using them... I dunno >.>
Why is the media still refusing to name her and block her face out, when everyone and their cat knows who she is?
And I dont know how I should feel about the whole thing... I just care so little about it that I cant fathom how I feel...
Whats the general consensus? Just feels like the media is using a young stupid person to 'get hits'.... or she is using them... I dunno >.>
commanderdeek said:
you'd be surprised how much it matters in certain circles. Politics being a good one. The thing is deek by not going to these schools you have no idea these circles exist (i didnt go to one of these schools either but i know people who did). Once you do and see how they operate its amazing.
It's all about networking and networking with certain circles requires a certain school of prestige. That's when its not what you know but who you know comes into play with many things
want to be a member of Royal Sydney Golf Club? Ring up and ask for membership get hung up on. You get invited in and one of these ways is attending specific schools
How about Royal Yacht Club of Australia, same thing.
Sure they are clubs, but its where a shit ton of high level networking takes place, peoples kids meet ceos of banks etc and well from there.... things happen.
legend166 said:
Eh, I went to a public primary.
My private schooling was deficient in some important respects. English was treated as a subject in which any teacher could handle themselves, not as one for which you needed particular aptitude, experience, enthusiasm, or training. Even phys.ed. is ordinarily accorded that variety of respect, for heaven's sake. A large amount of time was wasted on religious drivel. Recidivist scum who might have been expelled from (or, as is truly the case, redistributed around) the public system were coddled. That was quite counter-intuitive, really. One might rationally have expected a private school to be very ready to apply the boot.
And a private school teacher is, like a prized bottle of scotch, given room, time, and optimal stimuli to develop into a very high grade of tosser. Not all fall prey, but those who do are lost to humanity.
Choc said:
What you say is true to some extent, but it takes a certain type of person that sees it in their best interest to take advantage of all this crap. Without sounding like a super snob or anything, I went to the topest of top tier private schools in Sydney for 13 years and these "perks" are really only there if you sniff them out like a desperate fiend craving for upperclass acceptance. And to be perfectly honest, the kids in private schools already have access to most of the luxuries you mentioned because their parents are big players anyway.
Maybe I just suck, but most of my friends and I certainly haven't gotten any special treatment in, for example, interviews for jobs. Sure, I got some good chit chat going with a few execs at my banking internship because their sons or they themselves went to my school, but that's about it. They really only care about my uni results and whether I'll be their slave and make them money.
Basically, going to a private school doesn't mean you're awesome like salazar. In fact, I am more inclined to agreeing with kritz's view.
Not all private schools are insanely priced. The one I went to was relatively cheap and a lot of the school fees consisted of the IB fee, which I did instead of VCE.legend166 said:
Though there are specific reasons why I did end up going to a private school instead of a public school. Education was the first (that is, education in the vicinity of where I lived since the public schools suck over here) and religion was the second.
edit: this thread is nearing 15k. wonder when AusGAF 3.0 is gonna come along.
It is, but VOOK discovered that the Aussie version ISN'T region locked for some unknown reason (Japanese one was and I don't know about US). The Aussie release plays on Japanese DSi and 3DS.guidop said:
Also, you'd still get virtually the same experience with the Lite compared to the DSi.
FormallyMegadrive
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Really quickly gonna chip in on the private vs public.. Thing we got going on before i head to bed. I was public primary. 2 years public secondary then private from then on. Still got a shitty enter.
codswallop
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On the schools thing: I went to public all my life. Went to a high school with < 50 VCE students, got a crappy TER, went to TAFE, and am now managing people who went to Uni... so there's that. I sometimes wonder how things might've turned out if I'd actually applied myself.
I went to a private school for 12 years, and i couldn't say any of those. They had specialised teachers (particulary in secondary) for every subject. Sure, some teachers could teach multiple subjects, but thats a bit expected. i.e. they could teach both physics and chemistry, but every faculty had their own set of teachers, and never did they cross. The phys ed department had their specialist teachers, the same way humanities did.Salazar said:
I'm glad i did too, i got a great education. Though no girls was sort of a drag.
I'm not going to romantacise it though, you still get out of it as much as you put in. But in yr 12 my class sizes rarely went over 20.
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