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wonzo

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Dryk said:
Most of the comments on the Australian article about the sliding polls are people complaining about how all media is biased towards the left and that the ABC and Fairfax alliance of evil is doing everything they can to bring the Coalition down. HAHAHAHA.
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The funny thing is, Crikey's Pollbludger blog was rife with rusted on labor hacks in the comments sections claiming the media was out to get the government and that even the ABC was in on it and should be privatised. Shit was hilarious.
 
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Dryk

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Oh man, the hypocrisy on display in that press release about the child care workers. On the other hand Labor seem a bit too quick to call it a broken promise seeing as they're going to honour the contracts and just ask nicely that the money be redirected.

Mondy said:
You're reading a Murdoch comment section? Quick, read something intelligent to balance the books.
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I really need to stop, I only ever come away with a strong urge to purge the country of all life and let it start over.
 
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wonzo

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CrankyKong said:
arent news polls slightly right of neilson?
how often to they release polls
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Crikey did an article on that (it's paywalled) but they pretty much both have a very slight lean to the Coalition.

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A More Normal Bird

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Dead Man said:
Professional development? Money for their mates who run consulting and training companies, they mean. They need a wage rise not fucking more training that leads nowhere.
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I remember watching a piece on 7:30 about Abbott's PPL scheme during the election campaign (I think), in which a management consultant (or somesuch) who earned well in excess of the caps of the current system (as I recall) explained her support for the Liberal's scheme by saying (something like) "I don't see why I should have to take such a significant pay cut just because I'm having a baby."

I almost yelled "Because you wouldn't be contributing anything!" at the television but caught myself when I realised that such a statement would likely apply to a working management consultant as well and thus wouldn't be a sufficient explanation.

More seriously, I've no doubt there are people in the sector who are well meaning, effective or both, but I'd wager as much or more of it is barely productive at best, parasitic scam artistry at worst. I often wonder if the people who vociferously oppose the Government paying the unemployed minimum wage to engage in environmental restoration, community outreach and the like with talk of "digging holes and filling them back up again" hold similarly strong views on corporations, government departments, charities and NGOs spending thousands on dragging their employees out of work and subjecting them to the whichever absolutely 100% scientifically valid leadership/team spirit/motivation evaluation/diagnostic/correction spreadsheet/questionnaire/dance their consultant of choice has paid the licensing fee for. Then again I guess there's no way the rational actors of the free market would spend vast sums on something they had absolutely no need for so I must have the wrong end of the stick on this one.

Apologies to anyone in the field reading this post, I'm sure you're one of the good ones and that personal experiences and anecdotal evidence have left me jaded.
 
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Arksy

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A More Normal Bird said:
I remember watching a piece on 7:30 about Abbott's PPL scheme during the election campaign (I think), in which a management consultant (or somesuch) who earned well in excess of the caps of the current system (as I recall) explained her support for the Liberal's scheme by saying (something like) "I don't see why I should have to take such a significant pay cut just because I'm having a baby."

I almost yelled "Because you wouldn't be contributing anything!" at the television but caught myself when I realised that such a statement would likely apply to a working management consultant as well and thus wouldn't be a sufficient explanation.

More seriously, I've no doubt there are people in the sector who are well meaning, effective or both, but I'd wager as much or more of it is barely productive at best, parasitic scam artistry at worst. I often wonder if the people who vociferously oppose the Government paying the unemployed minimum wage to engage in environmental restoration, community outreach and the like with talk of "digging holes and filling them back up again" hold similarly strong views on corporations, government departments, charities and NGOs spending thousands on dragging their employees out of work and subjecting them to the whichever absolutely 100% scientifically valid leadership/team spirit/motivation evaluation/diagnostic/correction spreadsheet/questionnaire/dance their consultant of choice has paid the licensing fee for. Then again I guess there's no way the rational actors of the free market would spend vast sums on something they had absolutely no need for so I must have the wrong end of the stick on this one.

Apologies to anyone in the field reading this post, I'm sure you're one of the good ones and that personal experiences and anecdotal evidence have left me jaded.
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LOL.


Yeah......I got nothing. :p
 
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A More Normal Bird

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Myansie said:
"This is the recession we had to have" resulted in the longest ever serving government in australia and the prevailing idea that the libs are good economic managers.
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Just gonna be a pedant and point out that Keating won the election after the 90s recession (93) and that whilst Howard's tenure as PM was a long one, I'm pretty sure one of Menzies terms beats his for longest consecutive Prime-Ministership and there were a few other governments with longer terms than the Coalition under Howard but changing PMs.

You're dead right though, Howard's exploitation of Keating's style has led to this assumption that the Liberals are good economic managers by default, as well as the public perception that almost arbitrary and/or meaningless measures such as a federal surplus are how you measure such a thing.
 
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bomma_man

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A More Normal Bird said:
Just gonna be a pedant and point out that Keating won the election after the 90s recession (93) and that whilst Howard's tenure as PM was a long one, I'm pretty sure one of Menzies terms beats his for longest consecutive Prime-Ministership and there were a few other governments with longer terms than the Coalition under Howard but changing PMs.

You're dead right though, Howard's exploitation of Keating's style has led to this assumption that the Liberal's are good economic managers by default, as well as the public perception that almost arbitrary and/or meaningless measures such as a federal surplus are how you measure such a thing.
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It's probably the most infuriating thing about modern global politics.
 
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Myansie

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A More Normal Bird said:
Just gonna be a pedant and point out that Keating won the election after the 90s recession (93) and that whilst Howard's tenure as PM was a long one, I'm pretty sure one of Menzies terms beats his for longest consecutive Prime-Ministership and there were a few other governments with longer terms than the Coalition under Howard but changing PMs.

You're dead right though, Howard's exploitation of Keating's style has led to this assumption that the Liberals are good economic managers by default, as well as the public perception that almost arbitrary and/or meaningless measures such as a federal surplus are how you measure such a thing.
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I'm on my phone and took some shortcuts. I really can't see abbott following through with letting holden close. It's long term suicide, unless he counters with some kind of a stimulus package or does the really smart thing and buys out the factories and rejiggs them to build something else like wind and solar farms. Neither option will be popular on the right and with the business cycle at such a weak point the private sector won't fill the void left by the loss of an entire industry. The multiplier effect of these types of stimulus are always underestimated, see the imf's recent backpedalling on austerity in europe and if anything other industries will get dragged into the blackhole created by the loss of holden. Without some other countering influence, another mining boom for example or government spending well in excess of 400 million, it'll plunge us into recession.
 
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Elaugaufein

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Myansie said:
I'm on my phone and took some shortcuts. I really can't see abbott following through with letting holden close. It's long term suicide, unless he counters with some kind of a stimulus package or does the really smart thing and buys out the factories and rejiggs them to build something else like wind and solar farms. Neither option will be popular on the right and with the business cycle at such a weak point the private sector won't fill the void left by the loss of an entire industry. The multiplier effect of these types of stimulus are always underestimated, see the imf's recent backpedalling on austerity in europe and if anything other industries will get dragged into the blackhole created by the loss of holden. Without some other countering influence, another mining boom for example or government spending well in excess of 400 million, it'll plunge us into recession.
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I can't see Abbott wanting to spend money on what is effectively socialised Wind or Solar factories let alone getting it through the party room especially considering they are currently working on axing a government program which effectively does just that but as public-private partnerships and at a profit.
 
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Dead Man

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Elaugaufein said:
I can't see Abbott wanting to spend money on what is effectively socialised Wind or Solar factories let alone getting it through the party room especially considering they are currently working on axing a government program which effectively does just that but as public-private partnerships and at a profit.
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If they weren't ideologically blind they would take Holden/Ford/Fossil fuel subsidy sized money, and use it for training in renewable industry manufacturing for people effected by the auto industry contraction, and promote the shit out of it. They could apply subsidies to renewable energy equipment manufacturers and electricity generators. They could grow a new manufacturing/technology industry around renewable energy. That would help them with the working class, small businesses, and energy consumers.

But no, can't do that.
 
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Dryk

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You'd think that with the length of time that they've been contemplating leaving and we've had to bribe them to stay that someone would have a contingency plan by now... but nope.
 
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mjontrix

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Dryk said:
You'd think that with the length of time that they've been contemplating leaving and we've had to bribe them to stay that someone would have a contingency plan by now... but nope.
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That's what the TPP is for and why Abbot has such a hard on for it - he thinks it's going to save us.

Lol he's completely wrong.

I read in the paper that a small aerospace company got an a contract with Lockheed martin - so I guess that's the future of Australian manufacturing - sucking up to the USA for defence contracts. It certainly explains a lot...
 
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Mondy

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Welp, it's official, Holden in Australia is history as of 2017 at the latest. Canberra, Victoria and South Australia are blowing up about it. It's all over ABC.
 
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Elaugaufein

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Dryk said:
This is going to turn out just like the last time the Liberals negotiated a trade agreement isn't it...
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The US get everything they want and the Australian public doesn't actually see any benefit, and the net national result is a loss from the cost of protecting American IP ? You betcha.
 
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Dead Man

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Elaugaufein said:
The US get everything they want and the Australian public doesn't actually see any benefit, and the net national result is a loss from the cost of protecting American IP ? You betcha.
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Can't fucking wait :/ They have some balls calling it a free trade agreement. Removing tariffs between economically advanced countries is fine, but all the other shit to protect US businesses, interfere in domestic business arrangements, and applying US laws overseas is just corporate imperialism.

Edit: Just for you Arksy :) http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-11/spigelman-defends-abc-digital-presence/5149756

ABC chairman James Spigelman has defended the corporation's digital presence, saying without online and mobile platforms it risked marginalising itself in a future media landscape.

In a speech at the National Press Club, Mr Spigelman also announced the ABC will produce and publish external audits examining its impartiality.

The comments come with the ABC having sustained strident criticism from News Corp Australia and some members of the Government in recent weeks.

Mr Spigelman said the ABC's expansion in digital media was always bound to clash with other broadcasters, but that the transition to new media was no different to what has occurred in the past.

"In 1933, I think it was, when the ABC first announced that it was intending to provide a news service, the campaign was launched to cut the funding of the ABC," he said.

"That campaign was run by the then CEO of the Herald Times, Keith Murdoch. Some things change very little over the generations. News Limited runs an extraordinary suite of newspapers. The Australian itself - we're lucky to have it in terms of depth and range."
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At least we know where Rupert learned to be an insane whiner.

He says the first external audit, which is being headed by the BBC's former chief editorial policy advisor, Andrea Wills, is nearly completed.

"Her report will assess the impartiality of all of the interviews on ABC radio of the then Prime Minister and the then Leader of the Opposition during the recent election campaign," he said.

"The second audit, we haven't appointed anyone yet, will concern the treatment of the debate about asylum seekers.

"Since my appointment I have naturally been concerned with the frequency of allegations of a lack of impartiality.

"I do not accept that it is systematic, but I do accept that it sometimes occurs. Every news and current affairs program endeavours to ensure balance, whilst avoiding the pitfall of irrelevant dullness."

The audits will be in addition to the ongoing program of internal reviews of ABC programs and their editorial content.
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Jintor

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Unanimous, huh? Victory for federalism. Marriage equality only has one arena then. Let's hope it's one they can win in.

Will be watching opinions on high to see their analysis. Out and about right now but will sit down and read the ruling later
 
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Mondy

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Elaugaufein said:
Haven't heard about the NBN Backfip yet. Good or bad Backflip ?
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Very typical, bad backflip. The Coalition have finally admitted that Fibre to the Node is going to cost 20 billion more, will be slower and won't be delivered for another 4 years on top of the original deadline.

Probably the worst government in all of our living memory.
 
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Dryk

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2020 FttN vs 2024 FttH is no contest. As those dates move further and further away FttH becomes the better and better option.

Also since construction is stalled until 2015 if you're a fibre splicer you're SoL, so they're probably going to run into labour problems AGAIN
 
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Whiteshirt

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If its that bad, then what is the fucking point of FttN? The draw of the Liberal policy was meant to be faster rollout and so-called lower costs. It doesn't even do that and its downright shittier. Good job, it hasn't even been a year and you've already got policies that are complete failures...which everyone with a brain told you before the election.

People love to say that Malcolm Turnbull would be a good prime minister but I've yet to see that man do a non-shitty thing that isn't feeding his financial self-interest.
 
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Whiteshirt

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Well everyone knows that the vast majority of Liberal party supporters have zero idea about how national crap is run besides SURPLUS GOOD and LABOR WASTE. Like, the number of people that actually don't understand progressive taxation is embarrassing considering they have to do their taxes every year.

But understanding the economy is a bit different. Here, its very clear cut. You don't need to be able to accept constructive criticism to know that a FttN plan is worthless. I actually don't know a single person that supports the Liberal party NBN vision, at the very best they claim that it may be able to improve coverage faster because wireless is magic. But as the best reliable (something every Australian knows is a fucking issue) internet all use FttH, Liberal party supporters are pretty upset about the whole FttN bullshit. It would be pretty simple to rework the Labor's policy, call it your own and lay the boot into Labor at the same time.

Seriously, I have no idea who benefits from FttN. The people don't, businesses don't, the government doesn't.
 
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Whiteshirt

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Well of course people will benefit from FttN but compared to the alternative option, the advantages of FttN appear to be vanishing into thin air. Which is what most people predicted.

Like:
NBN review finds Coalition's plan has blown out by $11.5 billion to $41 billion
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Would be hilarious if I wasn't going to be impacted by it.
 
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Myansie

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Abc is reporting due to the nbn budget blow out job losses are "likely". Typical bloody capitalists, if there's a problem, sack people. Personal responsibility stretches only to the unemployed it would seem.
 
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Elaugaufein

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Yagharek said:
It's not like anyone benefited from copper, right?
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Telstra, and other ISPs who can afford to roll out FttH in the city areas, in the next 12 months, are going to benefit immensely from this, they can basically get the profitable inner city deals done and then the public is left trying to make fibre work in the outback with no profit from the city areas to offset it.
 
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bomma_man

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Mondy said:
FTTP was a Labor policy, so by default it must be bad and has to go. It's belligerent politics, and it doesn't do anyone any good.
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We're on a fast track to American style hyper partisan politics, where a good idea ceases to be a good idea the minute your opponent supports it.
 
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Mondy

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bomma_man said:
We're on a fast track to American style hyper partisan politics, where a good idea ceases to be a good idea the minute your opponent supports it.
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It isn't going to work like it does over there. The Australian public isn't anywhere near as partisan in nature as America is. Eventually, we will get sick of both sides doing it, if we aren't fed up already, hence the Coalitions terrible polling.
 
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shanshan310

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This anti-ABC stuff is getting out of hand

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/12/13/peppa-pig-under-fire-piers-weighs

Twitter users across Australia have jumped to the defence of Peppa Pig after a conservative commentator accused the popular children’s television show of pushing a feminist agenda.

In a blog post for the Daily Telegraph, columnist Piers Akerman blasted the ABC for allegedly promoting left wing ideas through its content.

He names Peppa Pig as a major offender, along with the ABC’s news and current affairs department and popular radio station Triple J.


“Unfortunately, much of the rest of the ABC’s contribution to Australian life is just as saturated with Left-wing propaganda as its news and current affairs,” Akerman wrote.
“Even the cartoon character Peppa Pig pushes a weird feminist line that would be closer to the hearts of Labor’s Handbag Hit Squad than the pre-school audience it is aimed at.”

Episodes of the show, which is aimed at an audience of children under five, centre on the escapades of young Peppa and her family.
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mjontrix

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Elaugaufein said:
Telstra, and other ISPs who can afford to roll out FttH in the city areas, in the next 12 months, are going to benefit immensely from this, they can basically get the profitable inner city deals done and then the public is left trying to make fibre work in the outback with no profit from the city areas to offset it.
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TPG is going to become the second biggest ISP within 5 years.

Believe.
 
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Box of Bunnies

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I don't make a point of watching Peppa Pig but whenever I've seen it while my nieces are it's always seemed like a happy show with lots of laughing. Of course joyless conservatives are agin it.
 
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