I love that this proposal is coming out of NSW. No shame.
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AusPoliGAF |OT| Boats? What Boats?
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I hate to tell you that as it stands, the sides don't work with each other except for the most banal of things. What you're saying is already the case. The question really comes down to; should MPs be controlled by their electorate or the party room? I think on principle alone it should be the former.
Also what you have been saying has not been the case in areas where open primaries have been tried (In the UK and to a limited extent in Australia). We've gotten people being preselected with no political background. It energises the electorate because they get a bigger say. The ALP reform didn't work out that well this time but I think given 20 years the closed primary for the ALP leader is going to be feirce and well worth it.
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I'd imagine compulsory voting would help in terms of giving moderates a chance in open primaries.
The ALP reform would've worked if they'd gone through with it all the way. Say what you want about the man, Albanese would be a much more effective Opposition leader than Shorten. Hell a weak paper bag with a "Fuck Tony Abbott" sign taped to it would be a more effective Opposition leader.
I think it was a bit of a kneejerk from the caucus and I'd be shocked if there were those who didn't vote Shorten merely for solidarity purposes. I'd also be shocked if there wasn't an element of freaking out due to the power transfer.
Nonetheless. It was the first time something like this had been done. It will take time to reach its full potential. The primary was also good for the ALP because they signed up a shitload of members just so they can have a say...
Plus the ALP is fairly stable at the moment. A feat that hasn't been true for decades. Although that may be due to the fact they have far less MPs.
Nonetheless. It was the first time something like this had been done. It will take time to reach its full potential. The primary was also good for the ALP because they signed up a shitload of members just so they can have a say...
Plus the ALP is fairly stable at the moment. A feat that hasn't been true for decades. Although that may be due to the fact they have far less MPs.
Stable as a rock. Also very rock-like in many other respects.
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If the Labor Party is a rock how come they haven't stopped Scissors Joe from cutting everything?
Not having A Senate majority or the cooperation of the other opposition parties makes that a bit hard.
Is it really just liberals hating clover moore just that much? In any case that seems like democracy destroying. How can that be even constitutional?
So apparently poor people don't have cars and don't drive very far with them if they do.
I wonder why poor people don't drive very far, what could possibly be the reason? I can't think of anything.
I wonder why poor people don't drive very far, what could possibly be the reason? I can't think of anything.
Poor people drive old, unsafe cars with shitty fuel economy. And even if some poor people don't have cars (which is a thing), they will instead be hit by fare hikes on buses. I mean, Jesus Christ Joe, did you even think about it for more than 10 seconds?
To add to that, the only places poor people can afford to live are either aging or severely underdeveloped (so little by way of employment and/or public transport service), meaning that yeah, actually, they may need to drive further than CBD apartment-dwelling yuppies to get to their work or any other place they need to go.
Source: Grew up in a low-income, single-parent household with no car until the age of 13, when my mother bought a mid-late 1980s Ford hatchback that ate through petrol like no one's business. So shut the fuck up, Joseph.
I am reminded of that time Fox News said that poor people can't afford refrigerators, so if you have one of those then you're not poor.
To add to that, the only places poor people can afford to live are either aging or severely underdeveloped (so little by way of employment and/or public transport service), meaning that yeah, actually, they may need to drive further than CBD apartment-dwelling yuppies to get to their work or any other place they need to go.
Source: Grew up in a low-income, single-parent household with no car until the age of 13, when my mother bought a mid-late 1980s Ford hatchback that ate through petrol like no one's business. So shut the fuck up, Joseph.
I am reminded of that time Fox News said that poor people can't afford refrigerators, so if you have one of those then you're not poor.
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Typical Labor.
It's a paper-scissors-rock joke, there's not much room for nuance. How about, "if Labor is a rock, that must make PUP our paper shield." Or, "Rock beats scissors, but paper not only folds and tears, it can cut as well. Vote Labor to stop Australia's death by a thousand cuts," and all the imagery shows Labor as a rocky defensive wall and Hockey and Abbott as crazy pairs of scissors and Palmer is a giant sheet of paper. Also it's not a joke it's an ad.
lol i bet all the poors just bike to work or take our wonderful world-class public transport
yup that's it
fuel exercise won't hurt them a bit
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https://wikileaks.org/aus-suppression-order/press.html
freedom of the press vs. international relations argument, go!
yup that's it
fuel exercise won't hurt them a bit
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https://wikileaks.org/aus-suppression-order/press.html
freedom of the press vs. international relations argument, go!
It's sad that Joe Hockey is trying to sell good policy (fuel excise indexation) with bullshit arguments.
Hmm... Should've tried harder to be born into a rich family... #MurdochLogic
Probably trying to preemptively defeat it like they did with free speech.
Is there no one in Aussie politics that's even a mildly reasonable orator? Or even understands the philosophical underpinnings of their arguments? The lack of moral discourse in Australian political discussion has long been remarked in Aacademia but I guess I was in a mild form of denial. I knew it was bad but THIS bad?
bobnowhere
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Er... still thinking... well there's... then again... nope.
JesseEwiak
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You'd think at least one of your criminal ancestors would've been some sort of confidence men with good speaking skills.
There's no such thing as dimensionless parameters in the school of Hockeynomics
bobnowhere
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Cory has spoken again:
To be fair, Australian politics would be less entertaining with Cory.
- Fuel excise will hit poorest the hardest. (Ok making sense)
- Save money by decreasing the size of government (Ok, maybe some bureaucracy could go)
- The biggest and most important saving government can make can come from kicking those people off employment and disability insurance that fight in overseas wars, like all 100-200 of them who may or may not claim some sort of insurance anyway. (Yep off the deep end, de Wilders nonsense. Stay strong hating on those Browns Cory!)
- Going on about 18c again, demands freedom to say whatever he wants. Then moans about people coming back from overseas wars taking advantage of same said freedoms. (Picardfacepalm.jpg)
To be fair, Australian politics would be less entertaining with Cory.
I always question people who give Cory a mic, but then I remember how amused I am at the shit that comes out of his brain. Too bad he holds any influence on anything though.
It was following ICAC all day, that comment and his comparison to Mother Teresa were amazing. Most stubborn man ever, has been called to stand down by everyone and the mood around town seems to be calling for him to resign.
Sigh, as usual Newcastle comes out worse for wear.
What I wonder about is this. He has admitted to breaking the law multiple times. Or is what he did he actually not against the law? Its not like he's been charged with anything.
Is this comparison to Mother Teresa a comparison to the myths she was nice or the reality she was a sadistic fraudster?
i_am_ben
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Nah just send them to live in the tiny apartments they gave planning permission for. It's practically the same!
Maybe they should all be presumed guilty until fully investigated by ASIC, ASIO, AFP and so on. If they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear.
A lot of evidence that gets dredged up by the ICAC isn't admissible in court because you're not afforded your right to silence.
Christopher Pyne declines to back Joe Hockey's 'poor people don't drive' comments
The sun is the real troll here. Quieting down and balancing out the effects of greenhouse gases at a crucial moment. I stable temperatures when one of their major driving forces is in the biggest downturn on record and see that as huge cause for alarm.
Does he actually know what climate change entails
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A More Normal Bird
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Um Maurice don't worry all the infrastructure required to combat a cooling planet is already in place it's called modern human civilisation and there's a decent amount of evidence showing that it does a bang up job of warming the place up.
Arksy is looking for people with a philosophical underpinning to their arguments. I think we need look no further than climate change denial. When ideology conflicts with data so resoundingly, to side with ideology must be a sign of good character. Supply side economics is another good one. Screw data.
bobnowhere
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This made me laugh:
A rise in education costs wont unfairly affect poor people because they have fewer job prospects.
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