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Misogynist rants from Young Libs

Young Liberals at one of the country's most elite universities have posted racist, crude and misogynist comments on social media, describing women as ''sluts'', Muslims as ''degenerates'' and saying all feminists are ugly.
Only days after two Liberal candidates were forced to quit ahead of November's state election over a series of derogatory posts on Facebook and Twitter, the party has been rocked again by offensive behaviour in its ranks.

In a series of screenshots of Facebook messages leaked to Fairfax Media, the Melbourne University Liberal Club members attack feminist and alumni Germaine Greer, take aim at homosexuality, and repeatedly demean women.
Club treasurer Stefan Eracleous describes Ms Greer as a ''lying f---ing c-m guzzling slut … and a union member''.
''She doesn't believe in God. No kids not married … what do you [e]xpect from a melb uni educated former socialist c---,'' he wrote.
He also refers to London as ''the gay capital of the world'' and appears to hit out at Muslims, telling a friend: ''Just be careful of those mussrats. A lot of them are [a] bunch of Third World degenerate c---s.''
The club's vice-president, Charlie Cartney, said in a Facebook message in January that a venue was ''definitely worth a visit'' because it had a Mexican restaurant and an upstairs bar with ''lots of sluts'', saying in another post: ''Get some sluts for me.''
Other members of the group referred to former prime minister Julia Gillard as a ''twat'' and said ''Tara Moss should only be on TV if she is in a bikini''.

The posts are another embarrassing blow for the Liberals - surfacing days after party chiefs warned MPs and candidates to act appropriately on social media - and have fuelled Labor's claims of a broader cultural problem within Liberal ranks.

The revelations follow the resignation of two Liberal candidates for the state election in recent days over offensive social media posts. Bendigo West candidate Jack Lyons quit last week after it was revealed he wrote dozens of offensive Facebook posts, including racist comments about people from China and Africa.
Former Young Liberals president Aaron Lane, who had been endorsed as the party's candidate for Western Region in the upper house, resigned the previous week after he was exposed for tweeting a barrage of crude comments which included the derogatory term ''faggot''.

Lane being dumped was hilarious as someone who went to uni with him. Real class act that one lol
 

Mr. Tone

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Edit: In typical News.com.au fashion, the title of the linked article is actually "Tony Abbott acknowledges disappointment of voters and starts to tighten up government management"
 

Arksy

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Yeah the government is making a shitload of enemies after they dumped their commitment to free speech and decided that spying on citizens was a good idea. The IPA raised a shitload of money for an anti-abbott and campaign after they dumped the changes to 18C.
 

Dryk

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Yeah the government is making a shitload of enemies after they dumped their commitment to free speech and decided that spying on citizens was a good idea. The IPA raised a shitload of money for an anti-abbott and campaign after they dumped the changes to 18C.
Which raises the question, who is this government even governing for at this point?
 

Dryk

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The same people that all governments govern for after a certain period of time. Themselves.
I've arrived at a place where I'd rather we were getting fucked over at the whim of big business. At least they'd benefit from it, this just feels like the cabinet is poking at the country with a stick just because they feel like it.
 
Speaking of Twiggy and qanda. It reminds me of watching qanda last week where a question reminded me of forrest's report or whatever.
To me its release begs the question why would we listen to a report commissioned by a minibg mogul? Clive Palmer is firmly in my mind as I say this but at least he (with the big advertising bucks) became a member of parliament. Why the fuck should we listen to Twiggy's social vision for Australia?
 

Yagharek

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Speaking of Twiggy and qanda. It reminds me of watching qanda last week where a question reminded me of forrest's report or whatever.
To me its release begs the question why would we listen to a report commissioned by a minibg mogul? Clive Palmer is firmly in my mind as I say this but at least he (with the big advertising bucks) became a member of parliament. Why the fuck should we listen to Twiggy's social vision for Australia?

Because we've created a society where money buys influence and alleged intellectual weight.

Be thankful that dumb fuck Nathan Tinkler isn't social engineering our research insitutions.
 
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A More Normal Bird

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Tonight's episode of Media Watch was about the Mike Carlton situation/coverage of the Israel/Palestine conflict in the Australian media more broadly. Worth a watch/checking out their website for.
 
I'll chime in with my favourite local politican, Geoff Clark.

Clark to push Aboriginal trade deal with Russia

ABORIGINAL activists Geoff Clark and Michael Mansell are proposing to set up a trade deal with Russia in defiance of Australian sanctions.

Mr Clark said he and Mr Mansell would travel to Cape York and Gulf of Carpentaria communities in late September to discuss plans to export beef to Russia.

“Aborigines have no beef with Russia,” Mr Clark said. “We believe Aboriginal people are not bound to follow sanctions imposed by the Australian government. We are more than happy to deal with Russia.

“We are not part of any group that (Foreign Minister) Julie Bishop may represent with sanctions against Russia,” he said.

Mr Clark said he was taking the action to further the self-determination of Aborigines.

“Instead of developing welfare cards and systems, we Aboriginal people need to be exporting our resources to the world. Aborigines living on cattle properties need not be destined to being on welfare cards or schemes.

“We should be encouraged to do this, not hindered. I call on the government to support us.”

Lucky timing, his "bankruptcy" is over now!

Clark avoids paying $20,000 damages ordered by Civil Court in sexual assault case

CAROL Stingel feels cheated by the legal system which allowed a $20,000 damages award for her to go unpaid because bankruptcy allowed Aboriginal figurehead Geoff Clark to avoid the bill.

The Queensland woman won a long battle against Mr Clark with a 2007 County Court jury verdict in the Civil Court which linked him to her sexual assault in Warrnambool in 1971.

Ms Stingel had sued Mr Clark for damages over delayed onset of a post-traumatic stress disorder she says was brought on by two pack rapes, which she accused him of being the leader.

Although he has consistently denied involvement and there have been no criminal charges against him, the civil court jury made its decision on the balance of probabilities — a less stringent test than for criminal cases, in which juries must reach a verdict beyond reasonable doubt.

Mr Clark lost a subsequent appeal and was declared bankrupt in 2009 which meant officially he did not have financial capacity to pay the $20,000 compensatory damages to Ms Stingel and her legal fees.

According to Victorian law after bankruptcy a bankrupt is released from most “provable” debts.

He revealed last week the bankruptcy period expired several weeks ago.

“It’s all finished now,” he told The Standard. “I’ve got my passport back and can now stand for elections.”

When asked if he would now pay the compensation, Mr Clark said that debt was extinguished by the bankruptcy process.

His spa parties are awesome apparently, I never get invited though :(
 

Fredescu

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Yeah the government is making a shitload of enemies after they dumped their commitment to free speech and decided that spying on citizens was a good idea.

Not as many as they had already made. 18c or no, their current policy settings made them unelectable. Most of those settings being heavily influenced by the IPA. Abbotts personal approval rating has gone up lately because of "strong leadership" while Hockeys approval rating is plummeting as the face of unpopular fringe policies.

If the IPA are going to campaign against the government on the grounds that they're only getting 80% of their way rather than 100%, they're going to find their window of influence very short lived.
 

bomma_man

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I can't find it now, but there was an Age article the other day quoting an IPA saying that they were feeling "white hot rage" at this betrayal… interesting choice of words.
 
Maybe I'm being a conspiracy theorist but this whole change in 18c being stopped smells of trying to kill 2 birds with one stone. First they get to take off the table a change of laws that have proved unpopular with every minority apart from the white male minority and secondly they get to start a visible fight with the IPA, an organisation that many view is getting too close to the government.

Last I saw the IPA had raised about $38,000, probably more now, but what does that buy? A full page add in The Australian where they are preaching to the choir anyway maybe. Seams an awfully convenient way to distance yourself from the crazy ends of the IPA's agenda.
 

Arksy

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Maybe I'm being a conspiracy theorist but this whole change in 18c being stopped smells of trying to kill 2 birds with one stone. First they get to take off the table a change of laws that have proved unpopular with every minority apart from the white male minority and secondly they get to start a visible fight with the IPA, an organisation that many view is getting too close to the government.

Last I saw the IPA had raised about $38,000, probably more now, but what does that buy? A full page add in The Australian where they are preaching to the choir anyway maybe. Seams an awfully convenient way to distance yourself from the crazy ends of the IPA's agenda.

Hate to tell you but the IPA has been whining at the government ever since they got into power. The people screaming that they're too close to the government from my POV seem rather crazy. Yes as a right wing think tank which talks about policy, they do have an influence on the right wing party but people act as if the IPA controls the Liberals. I can assure you from the inside that it's bullshit. The liberals constantly rebuff the IPA and vice-versa. It's about as ridiculous as the people who were claiming that the Greens controlled the ALP.
 

Fredescu

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The IPA raised a shitload of money for an anti-abbott and campaign after they dumped the changes to 18C.

Hate to tell you but the IPA has been whining at the government ever since they got into power.

So how many anti Abbott campaigns are we up to now?

On the one hand, you're making 18c out to be a big deal. On the other hand, it's a business as usual disagreement that happens all the time.
 

Arksy

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So how many anti Abbott campaigns are we up to now?

On the one hand, you're making 18c out to be a big deal. On the other hand, it's a business as usual disagreement that happens all the time.

Am I? 18c is a big disagreement in a series of disagreements. I was trying to rebutt the argument that the IPA controls the liberal party. This is also partly in response to some things I saw on previous pages. Especially a link which talked about "who's really in charge."
 

Fredescu

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I was trying to rebutt the argument that the IPA controls the liberal party.

What you quoted wasn't trying to make that argument. He was making the point that it's a widely held view, not that it's one that he holds specifically. So a show of leadership was required to give some impression of strength, and what better way to do it than over something as highly irrelevant as 18c.
 

Myansie

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Hate to tell you but the IPA has been whining at the government ever since they got into power. The people screaming that they're too close to the government from my POV seem rather crazy. Yes as a right wing think tank which talks about policy, they do have an influence on the right wing party but people act as if the IPA controls the Liberals. I can assure you from the inside that it's bullshit. The liberals constantly rebuff the IPA and vice-versa. It's about as ridiculous as the people who were claiming that the Greens controlled the ALP.

If you're going to make a Labor comparison I would have said the Unions. I can't think of any group that has the same level of influence as the IPA over the Libs. Business Council maybe, they are kind of the same anyway. Internally there will always be division, the evidence is in the outcomes and the IPA's wishlist is getting shorter and shorter.
 
Hate to tell you but the IPA has been whining at the government ever since they got into power. The people screaming that they're too close to the government from my POV seem rather crazy. Yes as a right wing think tank which talks about policy, they do have an influence on the right wing party but people act as if the IPA controls the Liberals. I can assure you from the inside that it's bullshit. The liberals constantly rebuff the IPA and vice-versa. It's about as ridiculous as the people who were claiming that the Greens controlled the ALP.

I don't think I was suggesting that the IPA controls the Liberal Party with it's Murdoch tentacles , just it plays a significant roll in it's policy platform. Do they get everything they want, or course not, neither does the moderate part of the party, or the uber-religious part. Same thing happens in the Labor Party, the left rarely get's what it wants even though it dominates local membership, the centre-right doesn't always get want they want, despite appearances, and the Unions don't always get what they want either.

I was commentating more on the IPA now seem to have become the Media darlings of the conservative movement. This is probably a symptom of the modern media cycle, but you really have to go out of the way to find a panel show that doesn't contain the line, "...and now from the IPA...". Either be design or by not trusting ministers to speak off-the-cuff on these shows, the IPA has become the conservative mouthpiece in the country. The same could be said about The Australia Institute, or Per Capita on the progressive side as well. I don't think outsourcing political thought and policy direction to groups not up for regular reelection is necessarily a good thing.

I think a more apt comparison would be the union movement's influence in the Labor party, not the greens. Do they have too much influence in comparison to their size in the general community, absolutely. The unions do play too much of a role in various conferences and especially in selection of candidates. What happened to Louise Pratt in WA was shameful and the same almost happened to Penny Wong. Over time I believe union influence will be moderated, but it will take more time than I would like and they will have to dragged kicking and screaming. But, you know what, unions did start the Labor movement in the country and they will always and should be a part of the party. It's not like the IPA were one of the parties that formed the Liberal party. Oh wait... :p

Anyway, Bob Day an avowed member of the IPA has already flagged the reintroduction of the changes to 18C. Are the Coalition in the Senate going to vote against it? Or is it a convenient way to get the legislation through both houses without Brandis stuffing it up again.

Maybe we'll see one of the famous members are allowed to cross the floor and vote against the party speeches from Abbott. Of course who were the last people to cross the floor from the coalition? Turnbull because he was pissed off at being rolled and is still more popular than the rest of the frontbench and maybe a few backbenchers like Sue Boyce who wasn't up reelection. You can cross the floor, but it's probably not good for your career! Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer a system where members of all parties could cross the floor without reprisal as long as they can provide some level of due cause, but the myth that the Coalition is completely open to it is a little much.
 

Arksy

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he reason why I chose the Greens over the Unions is because the Unions play a structurally significant role in the party. They're formally recognised. They get 50% of the vote for preselection of candidates. Saying that the ALP answers in part to the Unions is not an incorrect or controversial statement. Especially when reselection depends on their support.

The major parties don't owe the Greens or the IPA anything. They're influential but that's it.(albeit for different reasons.. They were influential to the alp merely so they could govern...probably to their detriment but alas...they hardly controlled the ALP)

I agree with you wholeheartedly that anyone who crossed the line in the liberal party would find their career short circuited. The party whips hold too much power. With so few parliamentarians and such a high number of named positions...from cabinet to parlsec there's very real wage implications for behaving like a good little party politician. This is especially exacerbated by MPs in safe seats who are never going to vote for the other side regardless of what they do. So we end up with a system that's only barely representative.

I'm going to grab the horsewhip one more time and say that open primaries aren't perfect but they're a really good way of getting rid of the power of the party machine. MPs would have to justify their actions to their constituents. Whips would have to convince and argue for their position instead of threaten and cajole.
 

Myansie

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The reason I place the IPA alongside the Unions is because it is extremely likely they have a giant hand in campaign financing. In the current Liberal party that power makes even the prime minister weak at the knees.

I can't prove it, but there are a hell of a lot of hints going round that the campaign finance system is corrupting the democratic side. ICAC for example.

As I said earlier the only real proof I have is that shrinking check list.

Either way, what you're saying isn't that far off from what I'm arguing. The difference between the greens and unions influence on labour is certainly structural, but still relatively comparable in outcome.
 

Quasar

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Labor will probably win Charlestown and they'll definitely win Newcastle. In Newcastle the Libs might not even bother running a candidate.

Given the taint on both sides in Newcastle I wonder if an independent could step up. And man McCloy. How the hell he hasn't been forced out over this. Gah.
 

Arksy

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The reason I place the IPA alongside the Unions is because it is extremely likely they have a giant hand in campaign financing. In the current Liberal party that power makes even the prime minister weak at the knees.

I can't prove it, but there are a hell of a lot of hints going round that the campaign finance system is corrupting the democratic side. ICAC for example.

As I said earlier the only real proof I have is that shrinking check list.

Either way, what you're saying isn't that far off from what I'm arguing. The difference between the greens and unions influence on labour is certainly structural, but still relatively comparable in outcome.

Fair enough I suppose. I totally agree that campaign financing is fucking things up to some degree. It's part of human nature to not bite the hand that feeds you so you're always going to stick up for people that help you... Even against the interests of your constituents. On the other hand I really don't like the idea of not being able to contribute to causes that are important to you.
 

wonzo

Banned
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hidys

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Fair enough I suppose. I totally agree that campaign financing is fucking things up to some degree. It's part of human nature to not bite the hand that feeds you so you're always going to stick up for people that help you... Even against the interests of your constituents. On the other hand I really don't like the idea of not being able to contribute to causes that are important to you.

I reckon a cap on private donations wouldn't be a bad idea. That would likely be constitutional and it would force politicians to reach a wider audience.

Given the taint on both sides in Newcastle I wonder if an independent could step up. And man McCloy. How the hell he hasn't been forced out over this. Gah.

Labor is definitely less hated in that area than the Coalition but an independent might stand a chance.


Ablo eat book.

Also I'll buy anyone on this forum a beer who gets a hard copy signed by the IRL Kevin Rudd.
 
I'm going to grab the horsewhip one more time and say that open primaries aren't perfect but they're a really good way of getting rid of the power of the party machine. MPs would have to justify their actions to their constituents. Whips would have to convince and argue for their position instead of threaten and cajole.

This might just be a "grass is greener" position coming from an America, but the only thing worse than MP's being held to a whip is MP's being held to the whiip of their crazy ass constituents

In open primaries, moderates and people who want to work with the other side don't win. Ya' know who wins? The guy or gal who can say ,"my opponent worked with the evil Liberals/Socialists and wants to let the gays marry/sell off the nation to the mining industry. Vote for a True Labour/Liberal candidate, me!"

Ever since primaries have become more important in America (ie. the last ten years or so), it's been impossible to make a deal.
 

Dead Man

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Fair enough I suppose. I totally agree that campaign financing is fucking things up to some degree. It's part of human nature to not bite the hand that feeds you so you're always going to stick up for people that help you... Even against the interests of your constituents. On the other hand I really don't like the idea of not being able to contribute to causes that are important to you.

I reckon a cap on private donations wouldn't be a bad idea. That would likely be constitutional and it would force politicians to reach a wider audience.

I think a system of public funding for campaigns and no private donations to any political party would still allow people to donate to non profit groups who support issues the person in question wants attention brought to. A politician is not a cause.
 

hidys

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I think a system of public funding for campaigns and no private donations to any political party would still allow people to donate to non profit groups who support issues the person in question wants attention brought to. A politician is not a cause.

It would also be unconstitutional.
 

hidys

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Well, yeah, there is that. It's just that it wouldn't prevent people from contributing to causes they wanted to support.

Besides the whole unconstitutional thing I really wouldn't have a problem with individuals/organizations donating to political parties\candidates as long as it is capped.
 

Fredescu

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In open primaries, moderates and people who want to work with the other side don't win. Ya' know who wins? The guy or gal who can say ,"my opponent worked with the evil Liberals/Socialists and wants to let the gays marry/sell off the nation to the mining industry. Vote for a True Labour/Liberal candidate, me!"

You could fix that by giving businesses a vote: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/12/sydney-rife-with-corruption-if-business-more-votes

Even better, give them two.
 
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