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AusPoliGAF |OT| Boats? What Boats?
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manipulate
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I can't remember the chain of events that caused it (I think I was on a huge Chomsky kick at the time) but I went to a Socialist Alternative meeting in Newtown in Sydney about 8 years ago, when I was a young lad. I talked a few of people and they were almost all awful. At the time they had a party policy of "US troops out of Iraq immediately!". I asked if it wasn't likely that a staged withdrawal would result in less bad outcomes, and this made everyone upset 
. Nope, couldn't join the party unless you agreed that the situation required an immediate and complete pullout. Dogmatism game was strong af.
. Nope, couldn't join the party unless you agreed that the situation required an immediate and complete pullout. Dogmatism game was strong af.Elaugaufein
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I can't remember the chain of events that caused it (I think I was on a huge Chomsky kick at the time) but I went to a Socialist Alternative meeting in Newtown in Sydney about 8 years ago, when I was a young lad. I talked a few of people and they were almost all awful. At the time they had a party policy of "US troops out of Iraq immediately!". I asked if it wasn't likely that a staged withdrawal would result in less bad outcomes, and this made everyone upset
Shouldn't have been there in the first place, but once you are you have something of a responsibility to fix things up before leaving yeah. The whole half arsing it thing has turned out poorly.
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Had some trouble working out if this was referring to a sane person at a SA meeting or a military occupation.
Elaugaufein
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*Snirk*
To clarify: Unless you're partially responsible for screwing things up I don't think you're inherently obligated to fix them before leaving. So just being in proximity to SA doesn't mean you have to fix them. Thankfully, since they are relatively active on my campus (Griffith's Nathan campus). Though they don't seem as active as others are talking about, but we basically don't see Young Libs/Labor/Greens at all whereas Socialist Alt do something every couple of weeks.
To clarify: Unless you're partially responsible for screwing things up I don't think you're inherently obligated to fix them before leaving. So just being in proximity to SA doesn't mean you have to fix them. Thankfully, since they are relatively active on my campus (Griffith's Nathan campus). Though they don't seem as active as others are talking about, but we basically don't see Young Libs/Labor/Greens at all whereas Socialist Alt do something every couple of weeks.
Change has to come from within wonzo
It does. It's just that the ALP has such a deep structural reliance on organisations that are now sadly self-serving and incredibly corrupt.
It's kind of cowardly to slag on the people who are genuinely trying. No one said that change was easy. There's no guarantee of success.
It's kind of cowardly to slag on the people who are genuinely trying. No one said that change was easy. There's no guarantee of success.
Elaugaufein
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Not to mention, its kicking people who don't deserve it when they are down. Since they probably aren't any happier than you are about it,
Still harping on about this eh? People do actively attempt to 'change' policy within a party. It's hard. Better to try then complain and laugh about it ad nauseum.
Everything is just awful.
Elaugaufein
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I'll give you a cookie if you can make the Liberal party liberal.
I wouldn't say clear.
A number of people don't see the Greens as an alternative to Labor a significant number of Labor's core base see the Greens as worse than the Liberals.
That isn't really a clear alternative.
Also I'm looking forward to watching to Bernardi/Wong debate on equal marriage once I get home from work.
How much of that is perception rather than knowledge of their actual policy? It seems like throwing your energy behind "awareness" would be more fruitful than trying to resolve embedded structural issues.
Elaugaufein
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In terms of building a voting block hidsys is right. There's a significant chunk of the Labor block that would go Liberal waay before Green (the Mining and Forestry people to name two fairly significant blocks, and there's a reasonable Catholic block that are probably getting edgy already about things like binding votes on SSM (which is why that compromise happened) let alone some of the Greens other positions). These generally aren't people who have the same problem with the ALP that most in the thread who suggest the Greens as an alternative are but they are still a chunk of votes you need to get over that 50% line.
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The Marriage Equality debate between Wong and Bernardi is filling the cricket/sport brutality hole I've had while waiting for the next test.
Bernardi = England?
bobnowhere
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We really need to persuade the IOC to introduce Mental Gymnastics to the Rio 2016 Olympics. Cory Bernardi would be a sure thing.
Go for Gold Cory!
Edit: Uh oh... liberalism fatality from Wong.
Go for Gold Cory!
Edit: Uh oh... liberalism fatality from Wong.
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Pretty much. ^_^
Absolutely. And no surprise Bernardi believes the booing against Goodes isn't racist.
But yeah, this is completely one-sided and Bernardi is getting laughs for all the wrong reasons.
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Yeah... As soon as he said that I was like, "Of course you don't think it's racist..."
It has been fun to watch. Every volley back she just kills it and Bernardi looks like a fool. He's such a humorless piece of work too.
I've only caught the last 10 minutes or so (had been reading a transcript via here.
H.Protagonist
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Transcript won't do it justice. Wait and check out a youtube replay or something. It's worth watching. The crowd plays its part in this debate.
manipulate
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I've voted Greens in every election I've been eligible to vote in but I have nfi who to vote for now. Makes the fact that my vote is pointless and ineffective and very comforting
In retrospect setting up for that line makes taking the cheap shot seem worth it
shanshan310
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lol, ah Malcolm. Very subtle there.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...n_code=nocode&promote_channel=social_facebook
Don't tell me you actually think Dawkins is any of those things outside of his field. That QandA was cringeworthy assholeness from all sides. I mean, his tweets in particular show that he's not particularly socially savvy, to put it politely.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...n_code=nocode&promote_channel=social_facebook
Don't tell me you actually think Dawkins is any of those things outside of his field. That QandA was cringeworthy assholeness from all sides. I mean, his tweets in particular show that he's not particularly socially savvy, to put it politely.
It's a little bit of both but my experience tells me it's mostly policy differences.
A lot of Labor voters don't like the Greens policy on national security or boats. It is also unlikely that many of their policies towards carbon emissions since many are worried about cost of living pressures.
But there is a problem of perception and I acknowledge that. But there is nothing stopping me from both campaigning for structural change and awareness at the same time. In fact it's probably necessary since one really follows the other.
Also this made me happy.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/nat...team-at-election/story-fnii5yv8-1227461582941
I'd believe that too because the last Morgan poll broke 60-40 in SA.
Would he think it's okay if the penis touches the buttocks tho?
Candescence
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Interestingly, one researcher tried to figure out using published data which newspapers were most trusted. The results were that, according to the data, the Fairfax papers were the most trusted, a lot more than the Murdoch papers.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-...spapers-most-influence-public-opinion/6653778
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-...spapers-most-influence-public-opinion/6653778
Yep Essential has established this for a while.
And the ABC is more trusted than any of them.
EDIT: Actually the purpose of the study was not to find out which was the most trusted, but which held the wider influence given the levels of trust reported by Essential and the reach of the paper.
Actually it proves something that I have been thinking for a while now. That the Murdoch press is becoming increasingly irrelevant in this country.
I would imagine that quantifiying the ABC's level of influence would be much harder since you would have to measure the levels of trust for each program and multiply them by the ratings.
Elaugaufein
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I wouldn't get too cocky about the Murdoch papers. Even if people don't trust them, they still frame the debate in a lot of ways.
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Interesting, but I'd take the influence of the "trust quotient" on errr... influence with a grain of salt. People who aren't interested in politics at all may not trust tabloids, but if it's all they read they will still be influenced by framing, lack of alternate narratives etc...
That is true though that is mostly The Australian and that is because that particular paper is read mostly by the political class and virtually all journalists.
That is another important point.
shanshan310
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It's really starting to grate on me that the usual response to pointing out issues or wanting change in Australia is generally "Go away, we aren't changing shit and we don't want to interact with people who disagree with us".
Oh god, I just looked that up. Why would he say that?
Oh god, I just looked that up. Why would he say that?
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