AtomicShroom
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Austrian teen who joined IS beaten to death for trying to leave
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Stereogatari
Banned
There are so, so many Muslim role models across the World in every Muslim majority country. The organisations that brainwash these people are like criminal organisations and cults.
True, but I would argue that these really young kids have a far weaker defence against being brainwashed (especially those with lower levels of education, bad childhoods, living conditions, family situations, etc). But I guess argueing about the level of "how sad" something is, is kinda useless...
quackamole
Member
Sad but very predictible outcome. Let them serve as a warning to all other naive people who might want to do the same thing.
General_JGW
Banned
I will never understand what drives girls like that to go to war-torn countries and join an extremist group like ISIS
how stupid do you have to be do even consider doing this? I cant even imagine knowing someone this stupid but apparently they exist
how stupid do you have to be do even consider doing this? I cant even imagine knowing someone this stupid but apparently they exist
Basic gang rules. Why would she get special treatment.
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? this is not Austria's fault
Austria mate.
Or they were romantically tempted.
iamaustrian
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Sabina 15yo (left); Samra 17yo (right)
Samra was apparently already killed last year.
Am I the only one that gets angry at posts like this?
That was someone's child that got brainwashed and died a horrible death. No parent or family should have to experience that sort of thing. This kind of dismissiveness/passiveness is depressing as fuck and doesn't even contribute to discussion. It feels like the worlds empathy is running dry.
I mean it's not really rocket science. Kids want to be a part of something bigger than themselves as most humans do since it's in our nature. Being isolated kids that are duped by cunning adults isn't something new either.
Sabina 15yo (left); Samra 17yo (right)
Samra was apparently already killed last year.
This is just awful.
Also, what did they find so appealing about the burka of all things?
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
What did she think was going to happen after running away to join a death cult?
If you join ISIS, you're going to die. Either at their hands, or at the hands of the rest of the world who is now against you. I don't know how any rational, reasonable person could think otherwise.
If you join ISIS, you're going to die. Either at their hands, or at the hands of the rest of the world who is now against you. I don't know how any rational, reasonable person could think otherwise.
Count Dookkake
Member
Are we supposed to extend to young racists the same sympathy that we allegedly should have for these young women?
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
She was 15.
Just think about the amount of stupid ideas you had when you were 15, couple that with a romanticization element and you get situations like this.
Not to mention it's not unusual for kids in contemporary life to long for something greater than themselves.
victreeb3l
Member
There was an article a while back that discussed how ISIS recruits people from the west. They become close to them online, send them gifts, then slowly try to isolate them from their friends and families. some people really buy into it.
The reason why you can't understand why people join ISIS is that you've never known (or you've forgotten) what it's like to really believe in a religion. These girls have been indoctrinated since birth to believe that the Quran is God's word to humanity and that His prophet Muhammad was the perfect human being, to be emulated in all ways. If you believe that, ISIS's interpretation of Islam is plausible, and the imperative to fight for the Islamic caliphate becomes the morally right thing to do. Add the romanticism of going off to fight in a holy war and the fact that they're teenagers, and I don't see anything surprising about girls such as these joining ISIS.
Of course moderate Muslims can't accept that their holy texts could be responsible for this so they'll blame the girls' decision on anything else they can think of, but they're the victims of their own religious beliefs.
Of course moderate Muslims can't accept that their holy texts could be responsible for this so they'll blame the girls' decision on anything else they can think of, but they're the victims of their own religious beliefs.
General_JGW
Banned
it pretty heartbreaking. I know I just called them stupid but it's impossible not to be saddened by it. Uhg, I just feel like the with the internet age of information it should be really hard to be duped like this, a simple google search can show you all the atrocities or manipulation used by such groups. But I guess when you're blinded to it it's not information you would seek, or even believe if you full heartedly believed these people and their ideology was the best
Stereogatari
Banned
I'm very sure that they came from a Secular non-religious Muslim family. Bosniaks are not known for being serious about Islam, like the Secular half of Turkey.
My initial reaction is bye bitch, then I think about it a bit more and I think would I be more sympathetic to a guy who joined a gang and tried to leave and I am (somewhat) sympathetic. What the fuck is wrong with these girls, what do you think happens when you join a deathcult?
Nah bro.at 15 I definitely knew killing was wrong.
Secular non-religious Muslim? I'm not sure what that is. I'll bet you anything that the family was Muslim in more than name, even if they weren't fundamentalists.
General_JGW
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I mean, im a Christian so I do know what it's like to have religious beliefs. But I would be under no illusion of what it would be like to go to violent countries to help or participate, I would not think its some picnick. But wouldn't these girls understand there roles? To be wives to men that choose them, whether or not they want to, heck they could even be raped by other men this is a violent area and men do violent things in times of war. It just seems like such a change from living your life with western social norms to going to Syria and thinking you would be treated right. I mean her trying to escape shows that it is no where near what she expected it to be
Iorv3th
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I saw this article yesterday about women recruiting others for ISIS in the UK http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...n-encouraging-other-to-join-Isil-exposed.html
Don't know if that may be the case for these girls or how much is actually going on with this, but I think it's more than just twitter recruitment going on.
Don't know if that may be the case for these girls or how much is actually going on with this, but I think it's more than just twitter recruitment going on.
Netherscourge
Banned
I think it's sad that people have more sympathy for women than men who join ISIS as "tourists" or "foreign sympathizer imports".
The young males who get caught up in this shit are just as vulnerable an impressionable as the women.
And with assholes like Donald Trump and the rest of the GoP threatening to block all Muslim refugees, it's no wonder these young people feel alienated and look elsewhere to "fit in". They are automatically labeled terrorists just because they are Muslim. Then, they are force-fed lies by these ISIS recruiters and wind up believing all the shit being thrown at them. Next thing you know, they're on a plane to Syria...
The young males who get caught up in this shit are just as vulnerable an impressionable as the women.
And with assholes like Donald Trump and the rest of the GoP threatening to block all Muslim refugees, it's no wonder these young people feel alienated and look elsewhere to "fit in". They are automatically labeled terrorists just because they are Muslim. Then, they are force-fed lies by these ISIS recruiters and wind up believing all the shit being thrown at them. Next thing you know, they're on a plane to Syria...
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
lets be honest, if they're even considering it they have no sense
Alx
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I don't know if I would call that sympathy, but yes some young racists also become so through external influence. That doesn't make them innocent, but they're still victim of bad indoctrination. Whether we consider they deserved their fate or not, we should still conclude that our teenagers are at risk of being recruited.
Well that's not true for all of them. Many of the terrorists in the latest Paris attacks weren't really religious at first, some of them were big party-goers, drinkers, smokers... according to their relatives they only started showing signs of religious behaviour in the last few months.
As a matter of fact, ISIS is said to be now recruiting in all kinds of environments. 3% of their candidates are even Jewish.
I saw an interview yesterday (i think it was with a woman who escaped Isis) who put it something like this:
"With Isis a woman is meant to leave the house only two times, first when she moves in with her husband and the second time when she gets carried to her funeral."
Stereogatari
Banned
I mean people who are only Muslim in name like how most Europeans/Americans are only Christian in name. I highly doubt their family was religious.
I think it might have been the men they married when they got there. Again, it was probably through a social media service.
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God, I can just imagine being a parent knowing your little girl went to that hell, was probably raped and beaten and her body discarded to the dogs...
Unbelievable. It's 2015 for fuck's sake. How this medieval shit is still going on in the world is just unfathomable.
Unbelievable. It's 2015 for fuck's sake. How this medieval shit is still going on in the world is just unfathomable.
And that's my point. What kind of lives are these teens running from that the idea of joining ISIS sounds like a good thing? It can't just be "fuck authority" like some posters say. This is way too extreme. Stealing from a store and such is much more just a teen acting out but straight up joining a terrorist group?
Your trying to attribute running off to join a terrorists organization to typical teenage rebellion. It's not really applicable. They may have been misled at a point and feed a romantic story but they are not stupid. They knew they were going to join a group that kills people who disagree with their doctrine. They just justified it. Honestly if your gonna "sympathize" with these people your sympathy will go further with the people who are forced to join or never lived in an industrialized country with life opportunities. These girls squandered a life millions of refugees are fighting and dying for.
I grew up in a bad neighborhood with gangs. I could have fallen for the BS lines they would tell me when they tried to convince me to join. The money, friends and fun they were pitching. However I was smart enough to see through it. I feel bad for their family and their fate is unfortunate but they went OUT OF THEIR WAY to end up dead.
boredom, petty issues. exactly the kind of people who will seek to spice up their lives in fucked up ways.
velociraptor
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My sentiments exactly. My mind is full of fuck.
I hope this sends a message to anyone who is thinking twice to join ISIS.
The Silver
Member
They were religious enough to make her believe in the basic precepts of Islam. It wouldn't surprise me that they were moderates, but they definitely weren't non-religious. No one goes off to, as Samra wrote, "fight for Islam" without believing that Islam is the true religion.
Indrid Cold1
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Hard to feel any sympathy whatsoever.
Yeah there's a pretty big difference between dumb teenage behavior and joining an international terrorist organization in the middle of a warzone that broadcasts their atrocities for the entire world to see.
show me your skeleton
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hear, hear.
a life of being ostracised and labelled as the 'other' by most of the western world makes indoctrination and brainwashing all the more easy.
Stereogatari
Banned
I reckon they were brainwashed. In fact one could argue that being from a non-religious Muslim family could leave them more susceptible to Salafi and Wahabbi indoctrination, as they won't know any better.
At most I reckon they had a belief in Allah. Beyond that I doubt their parents were following Quran/Hadith or anything. They obviously fell into a crowd of Middle Eastern origin Salafist Muslim boys or something, and got mixed up in their heads about their Muslim identity and that's that.
Ray Wonder
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I can't help it. I know I shouldn't feel more sympathy, but I definitely do.
Head of Vengarl
Banned
I get what you're trying to say, but I still can't find any sympathy for them. As Dave Chappelle said in one of his stand-up routines: how old is 15 really? Sure I did a few regrettable things when I was 15, but come on man, this is so far beyond that. They willingly joined the most evil militant group in the world. You should reasonably expect someone to know better than that by age 15. That's why those two girls get no more sympathy from me than some 18-year-old, or 23-year-old, or 35-year-old, who joined Daesh.
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