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This is just like the Lego helicopter video from think Islam.
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Austrian teen who joined IS beaten to death for trying to leave
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timetokill
Banned
I don't feel sorry for these girls, but I do for people that join gangs (well... usually). Gangs are at least local and people join them because they live in shitty environments and the gangs either force them to join, or they need to join them for bodily protection because god knows the police ain't gonna do it.
Well.. okay, I kind of feel sorry for them.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I can't say I agree with all the exaggeration about this story and what they might have done.
They were girls. Girls who joined an extremist religious terrorist group. Their position was likely one of marry someone they didn't want to but were forced to, raped and possibly impregnated and forced to provide some occasional propaganda.
Let's try not to forget that.
tearsintherain
Member
These two joined in 2013, ISIS wasn't really a news story until last year. I imagine the recruitment pitch went something like:
Hey, is your life meaningless and your parents don't understand you? Do you ever feel like you were meant for great things? There is a war going on right now between the true believers of Islam and the corrupt rulers of the West. They waste billions on the rich, corporations, the military, and destroying the environment.
You can come make a difference. You can help people who have nothing make their own destiny. Sure, you can stay in school and go to college,, get a job, get married to a boring man, have 2 kids who hate you - a boring life that is remembered by nobody. Or you can join us in building a new world, where everyone is equal and justice is not decided by corrupt judges but by the laws of God. Don't you want to be special?
I bet many people would have thought about it, especially before everyone knew who ISIS was. Of course they don't mention the fine print where non believers are murdered, where women have zero rights, and where killing anyone who doesn't toe the line is necessary to maintain a murderous dictatorship.
Thousands if not millions of young women (and some men) are recruited as prostitutes by pimps with a similar story.
Hey, is your life meaningless and your parents don't understand you? Do you ever feel like you were meant for great things? There is a war going on right now between the true believers of Islam and the corrupt rulers of the West. They waste billions on the rich, corporations, the military, and destroying the environment.
You can come make a difference. You can help people who have nothing make their own destiny. Sure, you can stay in school and go to college,, get a job, get married to a boring man, have 2 kids who hate you - a boring life that is remembered by nobody. Or you can join us in building a new world, where everyone is equal and justice is not decided by corrupt judges but by the laws of God. Don't you want to be special?
I bet many people would have thought about it, especially before everyone knew who ISIS was. Of course they don't mention the fine print where non believers are murdered, where women have zero rights, and where killing anyone who doesn't toe the line is necessary to maintain a murderous dictatorship.
Thousands if not millions of young women (and some men) are recruited as prostitutes by pimps with a similar story.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
If they joined in 2013, then yes.
Hopefully less people are joining now that the gruesome reality of this group is clear to anyone willing to look.
Lord Thrappleper The 49th
Member
I have no sympathy for her. Yeah people can get brainwashed. But to be convinced to go to isis most likely through social media. Yeah she was an idiot who died an idiots death.
It's very easy to dismiss this as a case of "Serves them right!". But it should be remembered that this was a teenager and teenagers make stupid decisions all the time. IS has been very successful in their propaganda reaching alienated youths in the West. If this kid had managed to escape back to Europe, they may have been able to tell others of the reality of the situation, and somewhat blunt the effect of IS propaganda.
metalslimer
Member
Someone really compared street gangs to ISIS.
The only similarity is that I do feel sorry for the children who are going to be raised in ISIS territory and be brainwashed
The only similarity is that I do feel sorry for the children who are going to be raised in ISIS territory and be brainwashed
neurosyphilis
Definitely not an STD, as I'm a pure.
You joined ISIS. I have no sympathy for you, and neither should anyone else.
univariate
Banned
She was pretty cute. RIP
hydragonwarrior
Member
Anyone who tries to escape should be found and interviewed extensively. There should be more studies on people who go there and then why they come back. That would be useful information in how to prevent this from happening with today's youth.
Alx
Member
One of the many experts that were interviewed on TV after the Paris attacks. I couldn't find a written reference, but the website set up by the French government to prevent the recruiting of young people mentions this :
http://www.stop-djihadisme.gouv.fr/decrypter.html#bloc1
Says that the people manipulated by Isis propaganda don't know Islam and are sometimes from christian, jewish, agnostic or atheist families.
Last year the first French isis fighter to die in Syria, Raphaël Amar, was originally jewish, his father said he had celebrated his bar-mitzvah and everything.
Of course it's a very small minority, but it shows that isis is recruiting people from all origins, not only those that were into islam to begin with.
bonesmccoy
Banned
There's an appeal in belonging to a movement that makes transcendental claims, even if they're patently evil and insane.
Fox Mulder
Member
A shame, but can at least be used as a lesson to other morons like them.
this will not never be not amusing, heh
there was a case a while ago in Austria where a teenage girl was trying to recruit other girls for ISIS before the police intervened. Thankfully, it looks like people finally learned that ISIS is in fact a homicidal terror group, the flood of foreigners going to Syria to join them seems to have stopped
sad to hear what happened to these two girls, though, it was pretty big news a the time when they left for Syria
Poor girls must have been brainwashed to hell and back. The fact that she tried to escape should send a message to others who are considering joining. Death is probably expected at some point, but seeing that reality is so different from what you are sold that you try to run away is a different kind of message.
Today's youth is facing problems on obtaining self reliance so it's not uncommon to see the youth explore other avenues as such.
Areas in the world we must do our best to supply the youth with all the tools they can have at their disposal in order to obtain a brighter future.
Countless talent is wasted because of a lack of resources and aid offered to the youth.
Areas in the world we must do our best to supply the youth with all the tools they can have at their disposal in order to obtain a brighter future.
Countless talent is wasted because of a lack of resources and aid offered to the youth.
Operations
Member
How did they even know how to apply for/ join ISIS? You just buy a ticket to Syria and hope to find a recruiter's stand?
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Shitty deal all around. RIP to the victims.
John Kowalski
Banned
of all the bad things you can do in your adolescence, she chose the worst
what a needless death
what a needless death
I sympathize with people who feel they need to join gangs as a minority that grew up in a broken home with domestic issues. These things do affect us. I never joined a gang but I can understand why someone would.
But to join a damn terrorist organization? I don't feel anything for these girls. It's not like the media isn't reporting on the shit ISIS is doing. The horror stories that they are producing are everywhere. 15 is more than old enough to know the difference between right, wrong, smart, and stupid.
It's hard to comment without knowing the specific circumstances of their recruitment. Them being young girls shouldn't warrant automatic sympathy, but it's certainly possible that they were in a bad place before they joined. They may have been targeted the same way pedophiles groom their victims.
Easy targets for grooming and recruitment are those who are bullied/harassed at school/outside and abused at home. They're isolated and their only support group are online extremist communities and recruiters pretending to be religious leaders. Their parents/guardians are oblivious or simply don't care. This is different from foreign recruits who are degenerate thrill seekers. Bored rich kids looking for an adventure or "cuz yolo". And then there are the Call of Duty clowns and religious gun nuts who are eager to kill the "bad guys" during an easy to access murder/rape tour.
There are recruits who fall between the two extremes. Last month, the ICSR (International Center for the Study for Radicalization) published a report, "Victims, Perpetrators, Assets: The Narratives of Islamic State Defectors", that has the stories of 58 IS defectors who were interviewed. Spoiler: They're all idiots.
I can't remember the title or find the link, but there was a report from a while back that dealt specifically with young female recruits. The report was more or less an in-depth version of a Global News investigation: "Wives of ISIS"
Easy targets for grooming and recruitment are those who are bullied/harassed at school/outside and abused at home. They're isolated and their only support group are online extremist communities and recruiters pretending to be religious leaders. Their parents/guardians are oblivious or simply don't care. This is different from foreign recruits who are degenerate thrill seekers. Bored rich kids looking for an adventure or "cuz yolo". And then there are the Call of Duty clowns and religious gun nuts who are eager to kill the "bad guys" during an easy to access murder/rape tour.
There are recruits who fall between the two extremes. Last month, the ICSR (International Center for the Study for Radicalization) published a report, "Victims, Perpetrators, Assets: The Narratives of Islamic State Defectors", that has the stories of 58 IS defectors who were interviewed. Spoiler: They're all idiots.
I can't remember the title or find the link, but there was a report from a while back that dealt specifically with young female recruits. The report was more or less an in-depth version of a Global News investigation: "Wives of ISIS"
SuperEpicGuy
Banned
Should be an inspiration for any other dumbass thinking of joining ISIS.
Astral Dog
Member
yes, just think about what kind of abuse, psychical and psychological they endured since they arrived
not a land of dreams, justice or freedom.Morrigan Stark
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Yeah, like drinking too much at a party, or TPing some neighbour's door, or impulse buying something they'll regret.
Going out of your way to join a mass-murdering radical terror group doesn't quite fit under "dumb teenager decision"...
Stereogatari
Banned
yes, just think about what kind of abuse, psychical and psychological they endured since they arrived
Same with many of the Kurdish women who run off to fight with PKK.
When your comparison also works if you switch the sweets for excrement, you know you fucked up.
Yup, it's a deathwish undeserving of sympathy
Nah it doesn't matter, they stupid they should die. Well that's what seems to be the sentiment with many here. Rather than people asking why these girls joined knowing who ISIS is, we get a swift smack of Darwinism instead. Great, how does that move us forward? This avoids questions that need to be asked and the serious discussion is dismissed. How many more kids like these girls are gonna end up like them? Do we just continue to let that happen because they should be smart enough to know not to join ISIS?
SlickShoes
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"I had a great life and upbringing, I am smart and responsible, these people were idiots and deserved to die"
That's most people in this thread.
It's sad, I was smart enough at 15 that I made OK life decisions but that doesn't mean I didn't know others who made terrible decisions.
I knew a guy a year above me at school, had two parents, stable family life, money in the bank. He became a heroin addict and was stabbed to death by the time he was 21.
Other friends were breaking in to places and stealing by the age of 16, by their early 20's they had served time in jail.
The differences in our upbringings are minuscule at best, I find it hard to believe people here never knew anyone that made horrible life choices as a teenager, I know plenty adults that are still making terrible decisions.
These things don't really compare to joining ISIS but it's not much of a stretch to understand why people join, if you are muslim or even just have a different skin colour you will be discriminated against probably your whole life. If you are at an impressionable age, you are filled with angst/rage, no one understands you, been persecuted all your life, you could easily be prepared to move to another country full of people "like you".
Once you have been convinced to go and are then living the life it's hard to get out even if you realised you have done something horrible. People deserve a second chance, joining ISIS doesn't immediately make you a murderer, it's a terrible decision to join any terrorist organisation but to then try to leave can take immense courage.
That's the saddest part about this thread, at least one of these girls realised she fucked up, she tried to leave and she was murdered and everyone just thinks she deserved to die.
That's most people in this thread.
It's sad, I was smart enough at 15 that I made OK life decisions but that doesn't mean I didn't know others who made terrible decisions.
I knew a guy a year above me at school, had two parents, stable family life, money in the bank. He became a heroin addict and was stabbed to death by the time he was 21.
Other friends were breaking in to places and stealing by the age of 16, by their early 20's they had served time in jail.
The differences in our upbringings are minuscule at best, I find it hard to believe people here never knew anyone that made horrible life choices as a teenager, I know plenty adults that are still making terrible decisions.
These things don't really compare to joining ISIS but it's not much of a stretch to understand why people join, if you are muslim or even just have a different skin colour you will be discriminated against probably your whole life. If you are at an impressionable age, you are filled with angst/rage, no one understands you, been persecuted all your life, you could easily be prepared to move to another country full of people "like you".
Once you have been convinced to go and are then living the life it's hard to get out even if you realised you have done something horrible. People deserve a second chance, joining ISIS doesn't immediately make you a murderer, it's a terrible decision to join any terrorist organisation but to then try to leave can take immense courage.
That's the saddest part about this thread, at least one of these girls realised she fucked up, she tried to leave and she was murdered and everyone just thinks she deserved to die.
Nobody's said that? Just that they don't have sympathy, which is a pretty big difference.
robertsan21
Member
Sad that they had to die but she made a horrible choice and paid with her life. We also should never let her back into our country again even if she "changed" her mind.
Maybe instead of only blaming the girls we should also look at the responsibility of the parents. They were 15 years old when they joinned, what were the parents doing? Didn't they noticed anything? How did they raised their daughters? People ignore it always but when stuff like that happens to people so young parents play a bigger role than they think.
Dayner_Kurdi
Banned
i wont lie, as an arab and as muslim i do feel sympathy for them and all those who gotten charmed by daesh, since i can understand their message and lies, its like giving a poisons honey to a man who lost hope in life.
Moff
Member
I wonder if they realize what this picture says about how fundamental Islam sees women. A candy, just waiting to be bought and used by men and it needs to be nice, clean and untouched for them..
but they probably agree anyway.
Kenshin001
Member
What a shame.
What the hell? I mean I guess you are very patriotic towards Turkey but putting down the Kurdish forces really won't get you anywhere. The Kurds are also very progressive.
Man,who knows what kind of messed up shit those psychos did to those girls.
Yeah,they joined ISIS but they were so young,i just can't say 'yeah,serves them right' that easily;i would be on same level of that scum if i think like that.
Btw is that easy to join ISIS? Something tells me those bastards just let them join so they can have some 'fun' with those girls and that's all.
Yeah,they joined ISIS but they were so young,i just can't say 'yeah,serves them right' that easily;i would be on same level of that scum if i think like that.
Btw is that easy to join ISIS? Something tells me those bastards just let them join so they can have some 'fun' with those girls and that's all.
d00d3n
Member
Forgiveness is nice in theory, but we have to draw the line somewhere. As Ra's al Ghul said:
Its deeply disturbing. The image is basically comparing women to a commodity that is unwrapped, used and then discarded.
That they are an object, not a person.
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