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Automotive Discussion Thread | OT2 | Zero to pointless fighting faster than a GT86

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
My brother experienced a very weird issue with his Huracan on the track. He said the car wouldn't let him go past 140MPH. A 'speed warning' light came on around 110MPH and then at 140 it just cut him off.

He looked for an automatic speed limiter option in the car and there is none like in his M6 or my Jaguar. How peculiar and weird. He's going to contact his dealer tomorrow, I told him I suspect the car may not have been prepped correctly or perhaps maybe the dealership did it intentionally.
 

Ettie

Member
My brother experienced a very weird issue with his Huracan on the track. He said the car wouldn't let him go past 140MPH. A 'speed warning' light came on around 110MPH and then at 140 it just cut him off.

He looked for an automatic speed limiter option in the car and there is none like in his M6 or my Jaguar. How peculiar and weird. He's going to contact his dealer tomorrow, I told him I suspect the car may not have been prepped correctly or perhaps maybe the dealership did it intentionally.

Maybe ecu holding it back during break in mileage.
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Maybe ecu holding it back during break in mileage.

Hmmm...I didn't think of that. That is VERY possible. It only has ~700 miles on it.

Although the factory does claim all Lambos come broken-in and the rings sealed.
 
Well, the clutch let go on my STI earlier this evening. Stopped at a red light. Tried to put it in gear and the trans said "nope". Lucky for me, it was close to the local Subaru stealership.

Ugh I'm not looking forward to the bill.
 

Smokey

Member
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Powered by M, engine is likely to be a quad-turbo V8 750bhp Images provided by Andrei Avararii

BMW is developing a mid-engined supercar with a V8 engine – and is in talks with McLaren to put the car into production. CAR can reveal that the top secret flagship is scheduled for a Frankfurt show unveiling in exactly two years’ time, if talks with Britain’s supercar specialists are successfully concluded.

Munich has been toying with a high-octane yin to the i8 hybrid’s yang for a few years. But with 2015 bringing a new chairman, Harald Krüger, and a new boss at M Division, Frank van Meel, the idea of a BMW supercar once again has real momentum at the very top.


Another new boy, r&d chief Klaus Fröhlich, started exploratory talks with McLaren back in January. An alliance makes perfect sense. BMW – still digesting the telephone numbers investment it took to bring the i3 and i8 to market – is understandably keen to seek a top-notch supercar partner with whom to share development, rather than give M Division carte blanche on costs and strategy.
BMW/McLaren supercar: the lowdown

The supercar is scheduled to be in dealerships for 2019; a coupe is top priority, with a roadster a strong possibility. The models would be twinned with the carbonfibre monocoque of McLaren’s P16, the codename for the next-generation 650S.

The two companies have previous, of course (see panel overleaf). BMW supplied the McLaren F1’s magnificent V12, and the Germans would again provide a powerplant to call a McLaren-developed rolling chassis home. Sources say BMW has plumped for its new 4.0-litre V8 rather than with a highly tuned six. Output would be boosted by no fewer than four chargers; two exhaust-driven, two powered by electric motors. This state-of-the-art engine would be good for 750bhp, and more besides. Since the V8 is not a McLaren engine, there should be no brand image conflict – though Woking might baulk at BMW embarrassing it in the power stakes.

Differentiated exterior designs would separate the two supercars. With start of production pencilled in for late 2018, there’s just about time to accommodate BMW’s needs within the P16’s architecture. Done right, the matrix should be sufficiently modular to cater for brand-specific hang-on panels, door treatments and aero concepts. BMW’s wishlist also includes a bespoke instrument panel, as well as infotainment, connectivity and driver assistance features it would share with McLaren, if so desired. BMW is not looking for an overly ambitious volume: three digits will suffice each year.

yo

quad turbo chargers

brehs
 

AlphaSnake

...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
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yo

quad turbo chargers

brehs

This is hardly the first. Both Bugattis the EB110 and Veyron were QT. BMW is merely following footsteps.

I also don't understand why McLaren would do this considering all of their success.
 
This is hardly the first. Both Bugattis the EB110 and Veyron were QT. BMW is merely following footsteps.

I also don't understand why McLaren would do this considering all of their success.

Yes that's a little strange, isn't it? "Let's support another firm in developing a direct competitor to our products." I assume they must be getting a healthy payment for their assistance.
 
Sources say BMW has plumped for its new 4.0-litre V8 rather than with a highly tuned six. Output would be boosted by no fewer than four chargers; two exhaust-driven, two powered by electric motors.

Wouldn't this be twin-turbo and twin-supercharged then? I thought turbos by definition were powered by exhaust, and supechargers directly by the engine. Which is why turbos have always had the "lag" and superchargers didn't.
 

No Love

Banned
Wouldn't this be twin-turbo and twin-supercharged then? I thought turbos by definition were powered by exhaust, and supechargers directly by the engine. Which is why turbos have always had the "lag" and superchargers didn't.

Turbos don't have "lag", per se. And not all superchargers are "lag free." Roots or twin screw blowers are, centrifugal superchargers make boost by RPM so they really only make midrange and top end power.
 
Turbos don't have "lag", per se. And not all superchargers are "lag free." Roots or twin screw blowers are, centrifugal superchargers make boost by RPM so they really only make midrange and top end power.

Speaking of superchargers, you guys gotta check out the B8 S4 forum over at audizine.

APR has been teasing a stage 3 supercharger for 3 years now, with the joke becoming "2 more weeks" til release.
Well three years of delays and its finally released,by Magnusson, not APR, and its an absolute failure of a launch and product. Still APR branded, but they want nothing to do with it it seems.

There is a 11.4 second car on the forum, the supposed fastest B8 S4 in the world. Its stage 2 and owned by a complete maniac who's doing an APR smear campaign right now.

APR/Magnusson/their retail partners are claiming the stage 3 cars can run 11.1s and this particular user just went and did highway pulls against a stage 3 last night, and pulled 10 cars on the stage 3.

Theres a bunch more drama there, but I just found it funny that APR has once again proven that theyre a shitty company to deal with.
 

No Love

Banned
Speaking of superchargers, you guys gotta check out the B8 S4 forum over at audizine.

APR has been teasing a stage 3 supercharger for 3 years now, with the joke becoming "2 more weeks" til release.
Well three years of delays and its finally released,by Magnusson, not APR, and its an absolute failure of a launch and product. Still APR branded, but they want nothing to do with it it seems.

There is a 11.4 second car on the forum, the supposed fastest B8 S4 in the world. Its stage 2 and owned by a complete maniac who's doing an APR smear campaign right now.

APR/Magnusson/their retail partners are claiming the stage 3 cars can run 11.1s and this particular user just went and did highway pulls against a stage 3 last night, and pulled 10 cars on the stage 3.

Theres a bunch more drama there, but I just found it funny that APR has once again proven that theyre a shitty company to deal with.

Link please? Sounds amusing. After doing my research on my upcoming B5 S4, I've concluded that the B6, B7, and B8 are absolute failures in comparison when it comes to making big power so I'm not surprised options are limited and most companies don't want to waste their time.

B5 S4 is WAY ahead of its time. I can't believe I'd ever own one because I used to trash-talk their complex, failure prone engine all the time... but now that the engine has been worked on for 18 years, much like the 4G63, most of the kinks and pitfalls have been worked out.
 

Zoolader

Member
Well, the clutch let go on my STI earlier this evening. Stopped at a red light. Tried to put it in gear and the trans said "nope". Lucky for me, it was close to the local Subaru stealership.

Ugh I'm not looking forward to the bill.

The same thing happened to me and I'm pretty certain it's my clutch. I'm taking my car to the shop this weekend to see what my mechanic thinks. But if it is the clutch atleast it lasted 114,000 miles. The timing sucks though because I was about to replace my front axles and all 4 tires.

Link please? Sounds amusing. After doing my research on my upcoming B5 S4, I've concluded that the B6, B7, and B8 are absolute failures in comparison when it comes to making big power so I'm not surprised options are limited and most companies don't want to waste their time.


B5 S4 is WAY ahead of its time. I can't believe I'd ever own one because I used to trash-talk their complex, failure prone engine all the time... but now that the engine has been worked on for 18 years, much like the 4G63, most of the kinks and pitfalls have been worked out.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/668869-GIAC-Stage-2-B8-S4-versus-APR-Stage-3-B8-S4

I'm really looking forward to seeing what your plans are for the s4. I've owned one as a dd for the past 5 years.
 
Nobody cares about Audis! I finally finished installing the new headers on the 911, which meant new oil lines (all of which had to be bent some to fit) and heat ducts and blah blah blah.

Picture!
XJH6Qc3.jpg

mmm...stainless equal length primaries.

Video!
https://youtu.be/GhWPfONFbnk

I was hoping for flames but no dice. This setup is actually quiet enough where I can drive around with it, unlike the straight bypass, and the headers make a solid 20hp over the old. I'm one satisfied guy.
 

No Love

Banned
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/668869-GIAC-Stage-2-B8-S4-versus-APR-Stage-3-B8-S4

I'm really looking forward to seeing what your plans are for the s4. I've owned one as a dd for the past 5 years.

Well, my friend rebuilt the engine and basically redid every wear item on the car, it's getting new axles this week too before I pick it up.

I was just going to install the E85 conversion stuff, tune on E85 for 450-500 whp, and then upgrade other stuff.

Here's what it comes with:

18" BBS CH wheels
Vogtland Coilovers
OEM RS4 K04 Turbos (not stock K03)
OEM RS4 clutch
Stasis-Alcon Big Brake Kit (YESSSSSSSS)
Miltek downpipes
AWE Intercooler
AWE Sway Bar
200 cell cats
Short Shift Kit
Hitachi 85MM MAF
550cc Injectors (gotta upgrade these)
Heatshielded air filter
Borla Exhaust
Upgraded to newer 2.0 TFSI coil packs
Engine fully rebuilt, all fresh gaskets
Upgraded modern double DIN stereo/navi


I will be the 3rd owner, my friend got it from his friend who was original owner. $8500 :)
 

Bandit1

Member
Nobody cares about Audis! I finally finished installing the new headers on the 911, which meant new oil lines (all of which had to be bent some to fit) and heat ducts and blah blah blah.

Picture!
XJH6Qc3.jpg

mmm...stainless equal length primaries.

Video!
https://youtu.be/GhWPfONFbnk

I was hoping for flames but no dice. This setup is actually quiet enough where I can drive around with it, unlike the straight bypass, and the headers make a solid 20hp over the old. I'm one satisfied guy.

Sounds great Dave! Especially at high rpm.


Well, my friend rebuilt the engine and basically redid every wear item on the car, it's getting new axles this week too before I pick it up.

I was just going to install the E85 conversion stuff, tune on E85 for 450-500 whp, and then upgrade other stuff.

Here's what it comes with:

18" BBS CH wheels
Vogtland Coilovers
OEM RS4 K04 Turbos (not stock K03)
OEM RS4 clutch
Stasis-Alcon Big Brake Kit (YESSSSSSSS)
Miltek downpipes
AWE Intercooler
AWE Sway Bar
200 cell cats
Short Shift Kit
Hitachi 85MM MAF
550cc Injectors (gotta upgrade these)
Heatshielded air filter
Borla Exhaust
Upgraded to newer 2.0 TFSI coil packs
Engine fully rebuilt, all fresh gaskets
Upgraded modern double DIN stereo/navi


I will be the 3rd owner, my friend got it from his friend who was original owner. $8500 :)

Nice! Can't wait to see it.
 

Evo X

Member
Nobody cares about Audis! I finally finished installing the new headers on the 911, which meant new oil lines (all of which had to be bent some to fit) and heat ducts and blah blah blah.

Picture!
XJH6Qc3.jpg

mmm...stainless equal length primaries.

Video!
https://youtu.be/GhWPfONFbnk

I was hoping for flames but no dice. This setup is actually quiet enough where I can drive around with it, unlike the straight bypass, and the headers make a solid 20hp over the old. I'm one satisfied guy.

Nice job! Sounds sick when you get on it.

Well, my friend rebuilt the engine and basically redid every wear item on the car, it's getting new axles this week too before I pick it up.

I was just going to install the E85 conversion stuff, tune on E85 for 450-500 whp, and then upgrade other stuff.

Here's what it comes with:

18" BBS CH wheels
Vogtland Coilovers
OEM RS4 K04 Turbos (not stock K03)
OEM RS4 clutch
Stasis-Alcon Big Brake Kit (YESSSSSSSS)
Miltek downpipes
AWE Intercooler
AWE Sway Bar
200 cell cats
Short Shift Kit
Hitachi 85MM MAF
550cc Injectors (gotta upgrade these)
Heatshielded air filter
Borla Exhaust
Upgraded to newer 2.0 TFSI coil packs
Engine fully rebuilt, all fresh gaskets
Upgraded modern double DIN stereo/navi


I will be the 3rd owner, my friend got it from his friend who was original owner. $8500 :)

Good shit. Those look like some quality parts. Should be an absolute beast.
 
Nobody cares about Audis! I finally finished installing the new headers on the 911, which meant new oil lines (all of which had to be bent some to fit) and heat ducts and blah blah blah.

Picture!
XJH6Qc3.jpg

mmm...stainless equal length primaries.

Video!
https://youtu.be/GhWPfONFbnk

I was hoping for flames but no dice. This setup is actually quiet enough where I can drive around with it, unlike the straight bypass, and the headers make a solid 20hp over the old. I'm one satisfied guy.

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Btw, anybody playing Forza 6... what do y'all think about the oversteer prone physics of the game?

Coming from GT6 and GRID, it was quite jarring for me initially as in both games, oversteer is essentially non-existent unless you hit the e-brake or your car itself just crosses the threshold of grip. Also you don't need to trail brake in those games, and here it's absolutely necessary coz it seems like the brakes are weaker compared to those games.

I'll also say that the oversteer prone physics might be a little unrealistic, especially since I've got access to a real life NC Miata lol. There's no chance in fncking hell you can drift an NC Miata in 2nd gear with everything stock... I've tried it countless of times IRL when it was still stock and it just wouldn't even on absolute shit tires. Of course now with my mods, it's certainly possible, especially in the right conditions(rain or cold temps on summer tires), but I have to force it for that to happen.

But that's not really a knock on Forza 6 though. The game is really good and it just took me some time to learn the game physics and start using it to my advantage.

Speaking of Forza and Miatas, here's mine lol: http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/zoomzoomx5/video/9871018
 

FStop7

Banned
Wouldn't this be twin-turbo and twin-supercharged then? I thought turbos by definition were powered by exhaust, and supechargers directly by the engine. Which is why turbos have always had the "lag" and superchargers didn't.

tbh the whole thing sound stupid, gimmicky, and overly complex for the sake of being an engineering jerkoff session.
 

Zoolader

Member
Well, my friend rebuilt the engine and basically redid every wear item on the car, it's getting new axles this week too before I pick it up.

I was just going to install the E85 conversion stuff, tune on E85 for 450-500 whp, and then upgrade other stuff.

Here's what it comes with:

SWEET LIST


I will be the 3rd owner, my friend got it from his friend who was original owner. $8500 :)


That's a nice list of mods and looks like a well sorted car. I wish mine was that nice. When you do E85 you might want to consider upgrading your rods, even more so if you decide to go with larger turbos. I've read the joints on the cheap axles tend to blow out in no time so try to avoid those, maybe consider raxles.



So I'm really considering a Fiesta St as a new daily. It's cheaper than a damn corolla. Anybody want to talk me out of it?

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No Love

Banned
Nice! Can't wait to see it.

Good shit. Those look like some quality parts. Should be an absolute beast.

Thanks guys, I'm really looking forward to exploring this platform and having a fun little sleeper.

That's a nice list of mods and looks like a well sorted car. I wish mine was that nice. When you do E85 you might want to consider upgrading your rods, even more so if you decide to go with larger turbos. I've read the joints on the cheap axles tend to blow out in no time so try to avoid those, maybe consider raxles.

You think I should just build the whole thing if I'm doing the rods? They're new OEM axles.

Fiesta ST is an amazing car, highly recommend it.
 
Oops look like I shouldn't have started the oversteer-prone talk of Forza at it's OT lol.

So I'm really considering a Fiesta St as a new daily. It's cheaper than a damn corolla. Anybody want to talk me out of it?

OXRO1SW.png

Doooo it.

Those are fun little things.

So whats the deal did the mods change your name or did you change your stance on front wheel drive?

LOL. I'm glad somebody decided to ask this question. I've been wanting to ask myself haha.

I'm guessing the original name is just too long?
 
Speaking of superchargers, you guys gotta check out the B8 S4 forum over at audizine.

APR has been teasing a stage 3 supercharger for 3 years now, with the joke becoming "2 more weeks" til release.
Well three years of delays and its finally released,by Magnusson, not APR, and its an absolute failure of a launch and product. Still APR branded, but they want nothing to do with it it seems.

There is a 11.4 second car on the forum, the supposed fastest B8 S4 in the world. Its stage 2 and owned by a complete maniac who's doing an APR smear campaign right now.

APR/Magnusson/their retail partners are claiming the stage 3 cars can run 11.1s and this particular user just went and did highway pulls against a stage 3 last night, and pulled 10 cars on the stage 3.

Theres a bunch more drama there, but I just found it funny that APR has once again proven that theyre a shitty company to deal with.

Sounds like a good time, I'll be sure to check the thread out.

The same thing happened to me and I'm pretty certain it's my clutch. I'm taking my car to the shop this weekend to see what my mechanic thinks. But if it is the clutch atleast it lasted 114,000 miles. The timing sucks though because I was about to replace my front axles and all 4 tires.

Just a little update, it was the reverse lockout cable. It had come lose and decided to disconnect at the light. It was a simple fix and it was done under warranty (thank God!).
 

Zapages

Member
Hey guys,

I was wondering, has anyone here has had any experience buying cars that were rentals? There is dealer nearby that is selling a 2013 Nissan Altima S with 43K miles for 11K or a 2014 Nissan Versa Note SV with 23K miles for 10K.

I was thinking of taking a look at them, but their car fax shows that they have a clean record but they were rentals? Should I go check them out and what should I pay attention to?

Many thanks in advance. :)
 

No Love

Banned
So whats the deal did the mods change your name or did you change your stance on front wheel drive?

Oops look like I shouldn't have started the oversteer-prone talk of Forza at it's OT lol.



Doooo it.

Those are fun little things.



LOL. I'm glad somebody decided to ask this question. I've been wanting to ask myself haha.

I'm guessing the original name is just too long?

Haha that's funny that you ask, I honestly thought nobody would care. I decided to change it both because I've come to appreciate FWD and the hilarious level of hooning it surprisingly manages to enable and because the name was awkwardly sized.

Also, I have a dark heart that feels nothing. lol
 

Zyzyxxz

Member
Hey guys,

I was wondering, has anyone here has had any experience buying cars that were rentals? There is dealer nearby that is selling a 2013 Nissan Altima S with 43K miles for 11K or a 2014 Nissan Versa Note SV with 23K miles for 10K.

I was thinking of taking a look at them, but their car fax shows that they have a clean record but they were rentals? Should I go check them out and what should I pay attention to?

Many thanks in advance. :)

typically you never know what kind of people drove those rental cars so bare very wary.
 

Zoolader

Member
Thanks guys, I'm really looking forward to exploring this platform and having a fun little sleeper.



You think I should just build the whole thing if I'm doing the rods? They're new OEM axles.

Fiesta ST is an amazing car, highly recommend it.

I've read a few times about the stock rods being a gamble with E85 and the high torque/onset. I'd just do rods and rod bearings if compression checks out and that alone leaves you plenty of room for more power. Building everything would be so much more money and not necessary unless you want to rev higher and have larger turbos that can flow enough past 7200 rpm. It should be easy enough to find a bunch of info about it in some forums.

Just a little update, it was the reverse lockout cable. It had come lose and decided to disconnect at the light. It was a simple fix and it was done under warranty (thank God!).

That's awesome news and I hope I'm as lucky. After some reading it turns out my problem can be a number of different things. The last time I had the gear lockout issue was on Friday after a hard highway pull and I definitely smelled clutch before it locked me out. I was lucky enough to be right near my off ramp and I could coast the car to a gas station. I could also shift into gear immediately after I shut down the car. Then after waiting 10 minutes in the parking lot and debating if I should tow it, I ended up just babying the car home.

I'm going to be test driving the Fiesta ST and some other cars (suggestions?) while I get my situation figured out. I'm thinking if it's the clutch I'm just going to buy another car and start building my S4 to a stage 3.
 

Zapages

Member
typically you never know what kind of people drove those rental cars so bare very wary.

Would you recommend getting a single person used car (Nissan Altima with 45K for 12K as compared to the other?

My max budget is around 10K. What would you guys recommend?
 

ameratsu

Member
Man, I can't believe what VW tried to pull with their diesels. They are soooo fucked:

Link

Read about this yesterday, that's shockingly unethical. Just... wow. This part regarding real-world emissions vs test cycle emissions are particularly egregious:

On the open road, the Jetta exceeded the U.S. nitrogen oxide emissions standard by 15 to 35 times. The Passat was 5 to 20 times the standard.

I am by no means an expert on anything related to emissions testing, but I've read up on it a bit, and found this:

Mind you, there are two distinct factors working in favour of Europeans’ wallets: fuel with a higher cetane rating, which makes it easier to control NOx emissions, and EU emissions standards that are generally comparable to the US’s Tier 2 standards in all areas apart from, yes, NOx. Even our EU 6 standards, due in 2015, do not quite match the States’ strict limits on smog- and acid rain-causing emissions.

Relative to a gasoline-burning engine, it is more difficult to control NOx in a diesel, which is why, to meet those comparatively stricter emissions limits, diesels in the US are required to use expensive, onboard after-treatment systems, which decrease the amount of particulate matter that leaves the tailpipe. Diesel engines are already more expensive to develop than gasoline units, given their turbos and complex injection systems. After-treatment systems make them even pricier.

Source
 

cube444

Member
Craziest part is this:

“Only then did VW admit it had designed and installed a defeat device in these vehicles in the form of a sophisticated software algorithm that detected when a vehicle was undergoing emissions testing,” the EPA said in its letter to VW Friday.

Admitting that is huge. This might cost VW as much as 18 billion dollars when all is said and done to bring those 500,000 vehicles into an emissions ready state.
 

ameratsu

Member
Craziest part is this:

Admitting that is huge. This might cost VW as much as 18 billion dollars when all is said and done to bring those 500,000 vehicles into an emissions ready state.

I find it hugely unlikely they will be assessed anywhere near the maximum penalty, but presumably VW did this for a reason. Post-patch, what's going to happen to MPG, power output, and longevity of emissions components, which in the US are warrantied for 8 years or 80,000 miles?

Whatever happens, I hope the US bends VW over backwards for this.
 

cube444

Member
I find it hugely unlikely they will be assessed anywhere near the maximum penalty, but presumably VW did this for a reason. Post-patch, what's going to happen to MPG, power output, and longevity of emissions components, which in the US are warrantied for 8 years or 80,000 miles?

Whatever happens, I hope the US bends VW over backwards for this.


I'm with you as I can't see the maximum fine being met but they will surely make an example out of VW.

MPG will 100% take a hit while owners can always get their power output back with a tune that doesn't tamper with the emissions components. These emissions components will ultimately fail in the long term, at least the vast majority of them. EGR and carbon build up issues will increase as well.
 

Zapages

Member
typically you never know what kind of people drove those rental cars so bare very wary.

Would you recommend getting a single person used car (Nissan Altima with 45K for 12K as compared to the other?

My max budget is around 10K. What would you guys recommend?

Also here are the cars that I am looking at:

option 1: 2013 Nissan Altima S, everything standard, rental car, with 42K miles on it Asking price is $11K. I am thinking of offering about 8K cash +my car (trade in).

option 2: 2014 Nissan Versa Note SV, everything standard, rental car with 27K miles on it. Asking price is 10K. I am thinking of offering 8K cash and no trade in.

option 4: 2014 Nissan Altima S, everything standard, personal used car, 45K miles on it. Asking price is 12K. I am thinking of offering about 9K cash +my car (trade in).

I would have to drive about 40 to 50 minutes to check the cars out for options 1 through 3.

option 4: $16K a bit out of my price range, but it is tempting: (it was a leased car) but only has 16K miles on it as well and is very close to where I live (about a 10 minutes drive) Extremely low mileage car. 2013 Nissan Altima SL with Leather Heated seats and screen for audio songs. I was thinking of about 13K cash with my current car as trade in.


My current car is a 1999 Nissan Maxima GXE with leather seats and mp3/wma player with 213K miles on it. I think I would get about 500 dollars from it due to everything in the car's problems.

What do you guys recommend? How's my negotiation strategy?
 

No Love

Banned
Would you recommend getting a single person used car (Nissan Altima with 45K for 12K as compared to the other?

My max budget is around 10K. What would you guys recommend?

Also here are the cars that I am looking at:

option 1: 2013 Nissan Altima S, everything standard, rental car, with 42K miles on it Asking price is $11K. I am thinking of offering about 8K cash +my car (trade in).

option 2: 2014 Nissan Versa Note SV, everything standard, rental car with 27K miles on it. Asking price is 10K. I am thinking of offering 8K cash and no trade in.

option 4: 2014 Nissan Altima S, everything standard, personal used car, 45K miles on it. Asking price is 12K. I am thinking of offering about 9K cash +my car (trade in).

I would have to drive about 40 to 50 minutes to check the cars out for options 1 through 3.

option 4: $16K a bit out of my price range, but it is tempting: (it was a leased car) but only has 16K miles on it as well and is very close to where I live (about a 10 minutes drive) Extremely low mileage car. 2013 Nissan Altima SL with Leather Heated seats and screen for audio songs. I was thinking of about 13K cash with my current car as trade in.


My current car is a 1999 Nissan Maxima GXE with leather seats and mp3/wma player with 213K miles on it. I think I would get about 500 dollars from it due to everything in the car's problems.

What do you guys recommend? How's my negotiation strategy?

Buy a used car. Can you drive a stick?
 

Zoolader

Member
So I looked at the Fiesta ST today and that was a blast to drive. It's not exactly a looker but with some new wheels, fatter tires, and maybe a slight drop I'm sure it would look a lot better. Thing is there is only one dealership in Tampa that has a Fiesta ST with Recaro seats and it's a used 2015 with 7,000 miles. They want $22,000 which is crazy to me since it's used and that price is more than msrp for a new 2015. The 2016 models are already trickling into dealerships so I'm going in there tomorrow to try and haggle off hopefully $5k. Otherwise I might be looking at ordering one off the website unless another one pops up or a different car grabs my interest.

There's no way I'm settling for basic bitch seats like this.

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These seats would be the only way I'd consider the car. Why is this even an option and why is it so hard to find them?!

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nitewulf

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How do you guys think the Alpha Romeo 4C will be reliability wise? I am seriously thinking of that or a Cayman for sometime next year. My BMW 3 series convertible was extremely stiff so I don't mind a harsh ride at all. Just want a pure bred sports car. But needs to be hassle free.
 
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