AVATAR surpasses Titanic to become the highest-grossing movie OF ALL TIME

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After you adjusted the inflation and all that, it's no longer the case (in the US at least).

1 Gone with the Wind MGM $1,507,252,900 $198,676,459 1939^
2 Star Wars Fox $1,328,772,200 $460,998,007 1977^
3 The Sound of Music Fox $1,062,418,700 $158,671,368 1965
4 E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial Uni. $1,058,233,300 $435,110,554 1982^
5 The Ten Commandments Par. $977,260,000 $65,500,000 1956
6 Titanic Par. $957,460,300 $600,788,188 1997
7 Jaws Uni. $955,468,000 $260,000,000 1975
8 Doctor Zhivago MGM $926,050,500 $111,721,910 1965
9 The Exorcist WB $824,842,300 $232,671,011 1973^
10 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs Dis. $813,140,000 $184,925,486 1937^
11 101 Dalmatians Dis. $745,382,700 $144,880,014 1961^
12 The Empire Strikes Back Fox $732,427,600 $290,475,067 1980^
13 Ben-Hur MGM $731,080,000 $74,000,000 1959
14 Return of the Jedi Fox $701,683,200 $309,306,177 1983^
15 The Sting Uni. $665,005,700 $156,000,000 1973
16 Raiders of the Lost Ark Par. $657,538,200 $242,374,454 1981^
17 Jurassic Park Uni. $643,095,600 $357,067,947 1993
18 The Graduate AVCO $638,362,600 $104,901,839 1967^
19 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace Fox $632,800,500 $431,088,301 1999
20 Fantasia Dis. $619,504,300 $76,408,097 1941^
21 The Godfather Par. $588,762,300 $134,966,411 1972^
22 Forrest Gump Par. $585,950,300 $329,694,499 1994
23 Mary Poppins Dis. $583,236,400 $102,272,727 1964^
24 The Lion King BV $576,149,200 $328,541,776 1994^
25 Grease Par. $573,836,300 $188,389,888 1978^
26 Avatar Fox $558,179,700 $558,179,737 2009
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Darko said:
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Replicant said:
After you adjusted the inflation and all that, it's no longer the case (in the US at least).
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Of course, but no one cares to do that.

Darko said:
GTFO!
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See what I mean?

People just need to take such news with a grain of salt and be able to keep things in perspective. Obviously the hysteria around these records that you see (eg, in this thread) indicates that people see simple visuals (tables and rankings) before discerning reality. While it does say a lot about the movie's popularity (even when adjusted for inflation, it's done incredibly well), it shouldn't be confused as being the most popular film of all time.
 
Replicant said:
After you adjusted the inflation and all that, it's no longer the case (in the US at least).
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If only someone had thought to bring this up before, we could have had the matter settled sooner.
B.K. said:
What movie did Titanic have to pass to become number one and how much did it have to make?
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http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

Jurassic Park | $914.7m

Titanic more than doubled the previous #1 at the time. Avatar will more than double the current #3 (RotK), probably beat Titanic by $700m.
 
As much as people complain about the "Pocohontas in space" premise, there's no denying the film is appealing to a wide audience of people. Granted, I think the "the only way to really experience it is in 3-D" angle really pushed ticket sales, but the film is more than just the sum of its special effects.

For example, my sister who is the antithesis of fun, went to see this with her husband recently and ended up really enjoying it, which is mind blowing to me.
 
faceless007 said:
To be fair, though, Avatar is not the highest-grossing movie "OF ALL TIME," Kayne notwithstanding. It's the highest-grossing movie up to now. Saying "of all time" means it will never, ever, be surpassed in the future, even 100 years from now, which is, as so many people have pointed out, absurd given how Hollywood loves to use raw numbers so the record keeps getting broken. But "highest-grossing movie thus far" isn't quite as catchy.
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Koodo said:
And you're totally right, the 3D surcharges are very relevant. What's hilariously wrong are those that use it as a means to belittle the film's popularity or, most importantly, its appeal. Yes, the extra dollars have contributed an extra gross that is well into the hundreds of millions. However, this is more of an achievement than a cheat. Avatar has attracted an audience not seen since Titanic despite tickets being 30% higher than usual. More impressive is its astounding IMAX run, which just keeps growing, despite having on average the most expensive tickets around.

This is simple economics (and very simple, at that). Higher prices drive down demand. Avatar had to provide a higher incentive than a normal film would to attract this much of an audience (and consequently will benefit more than the normal film would).

Its success and popularity are more undeniable when looking at its worldwide run. Unadjusted, adjusted, even taking into considerations surcharges, Avatar has generated global interest on a league several times larger than anything in the past 13 years (and it might just eclipse Titanic unadjusted, which if it does, it means you'll have to go way back in history to find a movie with this much global impact).
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I think you misunderstood my post, but nonetheless....posts like these are what I was talking about. Avatar's gross is NOT indicative of how popular it is.
 
Jesus fucking christ. Now I can't escape the stupidity of this thread even when I'm off the internet. Now my flatmate is making adjusted for inflation claims because he read a Forbes article.
 
Scullibundo said:
Jesus fucking christ. Now I can't escape the stupidity of this thread even when I'm off the internet. Now my flatmate is making adjusted for inflation claims because he read a Forbes article.
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You have to move out! You can't live among such insanity!
 
MIMIC said:
I'm talking about equating "highest gross of all time" to "most popular movie of all time"

Get a clue. Jesus.
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actually, gross is probably by far the best indicator for the popularity of any movie. what could be better?
 
Koodo said:
And you're totally right, the 3D surcharges are very relevant. What's hilariously wrong are those that use it as a means to belittle the film's popularity or, most importantly, its appeal. Yes, the extra dollars have contributed an extra gross that is well into the hundreds of millions. However, this is more of an achievement than a cheat. Avatar has attracted an audience not seen since Titanic despite tickets being 30% higher than usual. More impressive is its astounding IMAX run, which just keeps growing, despite having on average the most expensive tickets around.

This is simple economics (and very simple, at that). Higher prices drive down demand. Avatar had to provide a higher incentive than a normal film would to attract this much of an audience (and consequently will benefit more than the normal film would).

Its success and popularity are more undeniable when looking at its worldwide run. Unadjusted, adjusted, even taking into considerations surcharges, Avatar has generated global interest on a league several times larger than anything in the past 13 years (and it might just eclipse Titanic unadjusted, which if it does, it means you'll have to go way back in history to find a movie with this much global impact).
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good post
 
-COOLIO- said:
actually, gross is probably by far the best indicator for the popularity of any movie. what could be better?
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A ticket to movie A costs $100. 5 people go see it
A ticket to movie B costs $10. 40 people go see it

Is movie A the more popular one just because it made more money?
 
Koodo said:
And you're totally right, the 3D surcharges are very relevant. What's hilariously wrong are those that use it as a means to belittle the film's popularity or, most importantly, its appeal. Yes, the extra dollars have contributed an extra gross that is well into the hundreds of millions. However, this is more of an achievement than a cheat. Avatar has attracted an audience not seen since Titanic despite tickets being 30% higher than usual. More impressive is its astounding IMAX run, which just keeps growing, despite having on average the most expensive tickets around.

This is simple economics (and very simple, at that). Higher prices drive down demand. Avatar had to provide a higher incentive than a normal film would to attract this much of an audience (and consequently will benefit more than the normal film would).

Its success and popularity are more undeniable when looking at its worldwide run. Unadjusted, adjusted, even taking into considerations surcharges, Avatar has generated global interest on a league several times larger than anything in the past 13 years (and it might just eclipse Titanic unadjusted, which if it does, it means you'll have to go way back in history to find a movie with this much global impact).
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Exactly. Best worded post about it.

There is even an article up on Yahoo about how its not "really" the highest grossing film ever because of 3d and inflation. I dont remember any film that got this much heat and detractors for its success, and people trying at every corner to demean or belittle its achievement. Inflation or not, this movie is making mad money.
 
I can understand this type of feverish support. Obviously Avatar is gonna be fighting for something your whole life, so that makes it comparable to a sports team. Also Avatar is a hardware you own that because of it's success will be better supported in the future. And it was the best movie since Titanic so that just makes it fair.

Can't wait for Avatar 2, J.C always brings the heat with the sequels.
 
MIMIC said:
A ticket to movie A costs $100. 5 people go see it
A ticket to movie B costs $10. 40 people go see it

Is movie A the more popular one just because it made more money?
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No, but it will hold the record for grossing more than movie B.

Hence the title of the thread: highest grossing

Why cant we all just accept that this film will set records for its grosses;regardless of its premium price and inflation? A record gross is a record gross.

Should we retroactively start using inflation charts for opening weekends too? That way Dark Knight might not be number 1 anymore. Or how about back out the IMAX numbers from the opening weekend too. That might put Spidey 3 (shudder) above it for opening weekend.
 
MIMIC said:
A ticket to movie A costs $100. 5 people go see it
A ticket to movie B costs $10. 40 people go see it

Is movie A the more popular one just because it made more money?
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Its funny you are arguing about popularity but actively support a show which allows one person to count as many votes as they want. Whats the deal here? No one is saying its the most popular movie of all time, but it is very popular and it has made more money then any other movie ever. If you don't want to admit that and say it isn't cause of inflation then cool, but ffs can't you at least understand how 2+ billion dollars is a shit load of money and how Avatar's success is having a TREMENDOUS affect on the film industry
 
MIMIC said:
A ticket to movie A costs $100. 5 people go see it
A ticket to movie B costs $10. 40 people go see it

Is movie A the more popular one just because it made more money?
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movie c is free and 50 people go to see it. is c popular?

avatar doesnt cost 90% more than other movies, but anyway, the fact that so many people are willing to watch and rewatch it at a higher price does mean there is a lot of appreciation out for the movie. convincing so many people to see a higher priced movie takes a lot of very positive word of mouth which is indicative of popularity.
 
MIMIC said:
The guy said that Avatar has attracted an audience not seen since Titanic and will eclipse Titanic in unadjusted figures.
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And he is correct. What movie since Titanic has attracted as large a global audience?

(Lemme help you out here: none.)
 
I wonder if the studios are going to need to bump any currently-scheduled movies down the line because Avatar will still be taking up so many theaters.
 
faceless007 said:
I wonder if the studios are going to need to bump any currently-scheduled movies down the line because Avatar will still be taking up so many theaters.
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The vast bulk of Avatar's showings are in 3D; it's already shed a lot of 2D screens, and it wasn't on that many of those to begin with. There's plenty of room; the next obstacle is when Alice hits.
 
-COOLIO- said:
movie c is free and 50 people go to see it. is c popular?

avatar doesnt cost 90% more than other movies, but anyway, the fact that so many people are willing to watch and rewatch it at a higher price does mean there is a lot of appreciation out for the movie. convincing so many people to see a higher priced movie takes a lot of very positive word of mouth which is indicative of popularity.
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Well since you didn't answer the question: no. A higher gross does not mean it was more popular.

PhoncipleBone said:
No, but it will hold the record for grossing more than movie B.

Hence the title of the thread: highest grossing
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But people are STILL equating gross to popularity. I have no qualms about a gross....but people need it to mean something else because gross simply isn't enough.

GhaleonEB said:
And he is correct. What movie since Titanic has attracted as large a global audience?

(Lemme help you out here: none.)
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Well maybe I misunderstood his point (and I still have to factcheck that, but I'll concede that point for now) but is Avatar really going to surpass Titanic in adjusted figures?
 
MIMIC said:
Well since you didn't answer the question: no. A higher gross does not mean it was more popular.



But people are STILL equating gross to popularity. I have no qualms about a gross....but people need it to mean something else because gross simply isn't enough.
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Who are you arguing against?

Being the highest grossing film of all time certainly indicates that the film is very popular, I don't think anyone has said that that necessarily means it's the most popular movie of all time.
 
This is turning into a console thread more and more. As others said, it is like the Wii. No one can be happy that it is a success and must find ways to discredit its success.

Did anyone make a gif of Cameron "It Prints Money!"? Perhaps one of money shooting out of his skull or mouth.
 
MIMIC said:
Well since you didn't answer the question: no. A higher gross does not mean it was more popular.



But people are STILL equating gross to popularity. I have no qualms about a gross....but people need it to mean something else because gross simply isn't enough.
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I was not equating gross with popularity. I was pointing out the thread is titled "highest grossing" and not "most popular."

And lets just throw something really dumb into this argument, just to show how asinine it really is: What about all the people that pirated it and or snuck in? Are there accurate stats for that? There is bound to be a large chunk of them that liked the movie but it does not affect the gross of it. We can use that for or against any film released. Why dont we? Because it would be stupid, much like most of the debate going on in here.

Of course, I am guilty of continuing the debate, so shame on me too.
 
MIMIC said:
Well maybe I misunderstood his point (and I still have to factcheck that, but I'll concede that point for now) but is Avatar really going to surpass Titanic in adjusted figures?
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It depends on what you adjusting. If you adjusting for consumer inflation, probably so; it needs about $2.37b to do that and is tracking to $2.5b. If you are going to subtract the IMAX and 3D premiums, probably not.
 
MIMIC said:
Well since you didn't answer the question: no. A higher gross does not mean it was more popular.
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i didnt answer the question because those are extreme cases. if bill gates paid 2 billion dollars for an avatar ticket and that was all it grossed i wouldnt think it was popular.

if someone asked me what the most popular movie since titanic was, id easily go with Avatar. what about you?
 
-COOLIO- said:
i didnt answer the question because those are extreme cases. if bill gates paid 2 billion dollars for an avatar ticket and that was all it grossed i wouldnt think it was popular.

if someone asked me what the most popular movie since titanic was, id easily go with Avatar. what about you?
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The extreme case is meant to drive home the point. And that point is that number of tickets sold is the true indication of the popularity of a movie....not its gross (in Avatar's case, at least).

Gross and popularity used to go hand-in-hand....before Avatar.
 
MIMIC said:
The extreme case is meant to drive home the point. And that point is that number of tickets sold is the true indication of the popularity of a movie....not its gross (in Avatar's case, at least).
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By that definition, Avatar will be the most popular movie of the decade once its run is over.

Theres no point to your argument. You're acting as if Avatar has already made all the money its ever going to make and its no longer in theaters... No it still is, and its still making loads of cash.
 
I am so fucking glad that Cameron has his big share of success these days so that he FINALLY can finish the project he is holding onto for an eternity dammit.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0437086/

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2011 and in 3D. I can't waaaaaait. And don't you dare to screw it up >_<
 
MIMIC said:
The extreme case is meant to drive home the point. And that point is that number of tickets sold is the true indication of the popularity of a movie....not its gross (in Avatar's case, at least).

Gross and popularity used to go hand-in-hand....before Avatar.
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So then by that definition Dark Knight is the second most popular movie of all time then? So we should use unadjusted box office charts as an indicator for popularity, but when talking about Avatar we should use the adjusted one? Huh?
 
Dead said:
By that definition, Avatar will be the most popular movie of the decade once its run is over.

Theres no point to your argument. You're acting as if Avatar has already made all the money its ever going to make and its no longer in theaters... No it still is, and its still making loads of cash.
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I'm still trying to figure out who he's arguing with. He keeps talking about popularity, when box office success is measured in dollars. If you want to park a personal asterisk next to it, go for it.

I think we should have an internet poll to determine the most popular movie of all time. I bet Gone with the Wind would get its ass kicked.
MIMIC said:
Gross and popularity used to go hand-in-hand....before Avatar.
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What? So only Avatar should be adjusted for ticket prices? You just undermined every post you've made on the topic....
 
GhaleonEB said:
I'm still trying to figure out who he's arguing with. He keeps talking about popularity, when box office success is measured in dollars. If you want to park a personal asterisk next to it, go for it.

I think we should have an internet poll to determine the most popular movie of all time. I bet Gone with the Wind would get its ass kicked.
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It would be too biased of a poll for accurate representation. No matter how large the sample size is. Now if it were like the census and we got everyone, then we would have a good answer.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
It would be too biased of a poll for accurate representation. No matter how large the sample size is. Now if it were like the census and we got everyone, then we would have a good answer.
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That was a joke.
 
MIMIC said:
The extreme case is meant to drive home the point. And that point is that number of tickets sold is the true indication of the popularity of a movie....not its gross (in Avatar's case, at least).

Gross and popularity used to go hand-in-hand....before Avatar.
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well number of tickets sold also puts avatar at the most popular since titanic right?

anyway, gross is still my preferred metric because people dont easily part with their money. so many people paying a premium means that the movie is very very well liked.

if a movie sold out but the tickets were free i think that'd have more to do with people wanting something cheap rather than the movie being good.

but i guess this then becomes an issue of what is popular. something is kind of liked by everyone, or something that is really liked by slightly less.
 
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