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Avowed art director calls Elon Musk a "sad little shit" over Avowed gender pronoun complaints, indicates more of the same in final product

Buggy Loop

Member
So are you pro woke or are you just bashing specific games for doing so? Dragon age is GOTY, isnt it?

You’re late to the party clearly


You can go search my posts if you want but I have thrown many games under the bus for having an agenda poisoning the game script. Pronoun selection ain’t one of them.

Baldur’s Gate 3 was my GOTY yes. I won’t even touch Dragon Age veilguard with a ten foot pole and it was a beloved franchise to me.

There’s a limit to the nonsense.

I’m pointing fingers that there’s a shitload of hypocrisy with Avowed thus far. Again, the list of games I mentioned above, there’s a deep rabbit hole of hypocrisy from peoples here.

I’m holding the same opinion I had for Hogwarts, BG3 and so on. If the « woke » checklist from marketing is the equivalent of selecting male and him for 15 seconds of my time at a character selection screen and the game does not shove agendas on me during the GAME, it will not stop me from playing it, if the game is good of course.

Clearly BG3 and Hogwarts also benefited from peoples thinking like me rather than « go woke go broke » pitchforks.

If Avowed somehow managed to hide all the agenda throughout 2 multi hours previews and it’s in the launch game and as cringe as Dragon age ? I can specifically @ you to watch me throw the game under the bus 🤷‍♂️

It’s really fucking simple with me. I’ve detailed my opinions like what, 20 times in those 2 avowed threads already.
 
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Fabieter

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Starfield is avg game at best, so lets not mix it up with great games plz.
Just check recent and total reviews ;)

Both HL and CP2077 were cancelled/boycoted hard on rainbow forum/by woke clowns, ofc with 0 results like all of their boycots end.
BG3 is top notch game that provided players with tons of options/value and polish, and didnt push woke agenda down our throats, so it was basically 99% of amazing game sprinked with 1% of not invasive wokeness which could totally be not seen at all if some1 chose to, simple as that.

Yea the woke warriors actually helped hl and cp77.
 

Stu_Hart

Banned
Oh the horror, I may have used that emoji on a post of yours at a point in time that warranted it.

Show me where I've gone through all of your posts in sequence and spammed emojis on them without even having had time to read the content of those posts. I'll wait.

You claim other people are "easily triggered" yet the behaviour you exhibit is exactly that of a triggered maladjusted individual.
You obviously have something against me when I post replies that you don't like because you felt like a grounded cat and it hit a nerve. It's just an emoji...get over it.
 

Buggy Loop

Member
Both HL and CP2077 were cancelled/boycoted hard on rainbow forum/by woke clowns, ofc with 0 results like all of their boycots end.

Right

Isn’t it funny this side of spectrum clamoured for a game where you can be non-binary and be called they/them ?

Just saying. It didn’t stop this place from celebrating Hogwarts getting 30M sales and owning the REEE CROWD
 

Kacho

Gold Member
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"joined August 11, 2024"

Never had a single interaction with you outside of the replies to you in this thread but yet you take it upon yourself to periodically go through all of my posts and throw triggered emojis on them.

This seems personal. Welcome back, whose alt are you?
Yes he is a certifiable Clown who loves to not engage but cowardly put Triggered emojis on many peoples comments he doesn’t like. Perfect example of a coward.
 

Thief1987

Member
Outrage didnt happen coz those games are simply good games, priority on both of them were put on product quality, not pushing woke agenda, and sales reflected that, unlike all woke diseasters that bombed ;)
Nah, it's just hypocrisy. You are basically choosing where to be outraged and where not because reasons. They are both equal garbage and should be treated as such.
 
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PeteBull

Member
Right

Isn’t it funny this side of spectrum clamoured for a game where you can be non-binary and be called they/them ?

Just saying. It didn’t stop this place from celebrating Hogwarts getting 30M sales and owning the REEE CROWD
Again- quality of the game was top priority, not pushing woke agenda, same way when we look at first predator movie, back from 1987, it has diverse af cast but priority while making it was top notch quality, that is why it still is timeless classic and praised to this very day, and will be praised 100years from now too:

Add to that Kevin Peter Hall who played predator, not coz he was black, but coz he was fricken giant and super professional, aka perfect for the role :)
 
Again- quality of the game was top priority, not pushing woke agenda, same way when we look at first predator movie, back from 1987, it has diverse af cast but priority while making it was top notch quality, that is why it still is timeless classic and praised to this very day, and will be praised 100years from now too:

Add to that Kevin Peter Hall who played predator, not coz he was black, but coz he was fricken giant and super professional, aka perfect for the role :)


So having the option of being called they/them isn't pushing a woke agenda?🤔
 

near

Gold Member
Did Josh Sawyer actually retweet that post or they just trying to paint everyone at Obsidian with the same brush?
 

DonkeyPunchJr

World’s Biggest Weeb
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Obsidian’s director of PR: “ahhh I just got back from my trip down the Inca Trail. That break from internet and social media was just what I needed. Really makes you look at life from a new perspective. What did I miss while I was gone?”

Employee: “let’s see. A picture of the character creator leaked, Elon Musk tweeted about it, our art director started a flame war with Elon, our racist hiring policies got exposed, Elon is tweeting to Satya Nadella about our racial discrimination and it has 15 million views, Asmongold and a million other YouTubers are making videos about it, and half the gaming world now is actively hoping Avowed will bomb.”

Obsidian’s director of PR: “FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK”
 

PeteBull

Member
So having the option of being called they/them isn't pushing a woke agenda?🤔
If its only this, and nothing else, and game is great(not according to sellout professional reviewers, but players who spend their hard earned money on it) then yeh, we will not give a damn for the most part, if it turns out to be a turd like recen example of DA:V, where wokeism took priority to sanity and making the product top notch quality- then ofc ppl will complain and not buy this shit.

Its capitalism, baby, woke dev cant force customers to buy his faulty product by guilt tripping them, calling them names or anything else really- we decide on our own if game is worth 70$/€ , maybe that is why those leftists devs all love communism so much, under communism they would be rewarded for producing mediocrity as long as it follows particular rules that communist party higher ups decide to push. including major and super nasty censorship which somehow is so sought for by the left :)
 

near

Gold Member
Retweeted

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If Josh retweeted it, wouldn't it be on he's twitter page? That's the art directors profile I'm assuming, why would it say Josh Sawyer retweeted on he's own profile? I'm a bit baffled. I couldn't find the retweet on Josh's profile.
 

near

Gold Member
I couldn’t find it either. Perhaps he undid it when he saw this blowing up.
I think it's total bullshit. Josh didn't retweet it. The top of that screenshot is also cut off, my guess is that profile had the username Josh Sawyer, and retweeted that Matt Hansen post.
 

Topher

Identifies as young
If Josh retweeted it, wouldn't it be on he's twitter page? That's the art directors profile I'm assuming, why would it say Josh Sawyer retweeted on he's own profile? I'm a bit baffled. I couldn't find the retweet on Josh's profile.

Could be it was deleted
 
I don't care for Musk nor any of that Twitter/X bullshit myself but I'm baffled by this person's behavior. You must know that you work for a company, that you're part of a bigger team and that objectively this cannot play out well for you considering this guy's influence and power. Whether you like it or not, it's a fact.

This dude has to be high or hitting the bottle or something. The weird spelling errors, absurd levels of aggression and delusions of grandeur. Again, you must know that you using "sweet summer child" against one of the richest men on earth is...funny. Even if your company is cool with arguing an ideological point online, I doubt they appreciate their employee using language like "sad sack of shit".
 

Humdinger

Gold Member
Fwiw, I often use the "triggered" emoji to represent my facial expression, which is really more of a surprised smirk. I'm not really triggered, and I'm not saying the other person is triggered. It's just the emoji that comes closest to capturing my reaction.

That's not relevant to the trolling attempt (or whatever) that's going on there. I'm just thinking maybe I should stop using that emoji if it's being used to bait people.
 

Boglin

Member
I do think the difference between the reception of Hogwarts Legacy and Baldur’s Gate 3 versus other titles is worth discussing but I doubt the reasons can be laid out in black and white.

I'm guessing a lot of it has to with timing, the messaging surrounding the products, and just dumb luck. As time goes on, though, it seems people are definitely becoming hypersensitive and less tolerant of seeing certain types of content.

But for this forum and Hogwarts Legacy in particular, it seems the DEI stuff was overlooked or dismissed simply because the purple forum was fuming about the game. It looked like a lot people here wanted to see the game succeed for that reason alone, which is kind of petty.

But I'm guilty of activism by wallet too because I purchased Stellar Blade with absolutely no intention of playing the game. I only bought it to do my part in helping to fight against the modern western mentality from spreading further.
 

Kacho

Gold Member
I think it's total bullshit. Josh didn't retweet it. The top of that screenshot is also cut off, my guess is that profile had the username Josh Sawyer, and retweeted that Matt Hansen post.
That’s possible too. I don’t think it’s a big deal either way. Josh is known quantity. People aren’t after him. He posts on Twitter and Bluesky btw.
 

Kokoloko85

Member
You tell me:



This is also referenced in the article:



Didnt Microsoft cancel there DEI plan around the time of the Concord Beta https://www.voice-online.co.uk/opin...ts-diversity-team-is-anyone-really-surprised/

Looks like it was just conveniently timed nothing. Still Going strong https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/diversity/default

We all know Microsoft loves its tactics, bribery and shilling



https://www.reuters.com/article/bus...settle-us-anti-bribery-charges-idUSKCN1UH1PA/

https://www.reuters.com/article/bus...bery-law-accepts-criminal-fine-idUSL2N24N0HR/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...robe-over-sales-in-hungary-wsj-idUSKCN1L82I1/



theweek.com

Did Microsoft bribe foreign governments for software deals?

The tech giant is under investigation for allegedly giving kickbacks to overseas officials
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Microsoft licensing corruption scandal - Wikipedia


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From a Linux reddit post - not mine
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The sordid history of Microsoft or alternatively, why people are still sceptical.

So. I thought of this post when I saw a couple of the posts on the front page about Microsoft. One was RMS attacking MS, and one was about Microsoft joining the open source initiative. And it struck me that people might actually not know the sheer scope of Microsofts scummy behaviour over the years. Some asked for clarifications and others for sources for claims about these things. So I figured I'd do people a favour and collect as much of Microsofts bad behaviour as I can. So people can have some semblance of understanding as to why people don't quite trust them.

We'll start with the easiest to find, the "Halloween Documents". The Halloween Documents were internal memos leaked to Eric S. Raymond in 1998, which is pretty much dinosaur age in internet years. [Here's the Wikipedia link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents)


Some notable things to take away from it:

- Document I revealed that "FUD" (spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt) was a traditional Microsoft marketing strategy, acknowledged and understood internally

- Document I suggests that one reason that open source projects have been able to enter server market is its use of standardized protocols. The document then suggests that this can be stopped by "extending these protocols and developing new protocols" and "de-commoditize protocols & applications." This policy has been nicknamed "embrace, extend, extinguish". Document I also suggests that open source software "is long-term credible ... FUD tactics can not be used to combat it," and "Recent case studies (the Internet) provide very dramatic evidence ... that commercial quality can be achieved / exceeded by OSS projects."

(Quick sidenote: Microsoft knew in 1998 that they needed something else to fight open source.)

- An e-mail from consultant Mike Anderer to SCO Group's Chris Sontag, also known as Halloween X: Follow The Money. The document describes, among other points, Microsoft's channeling of US$86 (equivalent to $109.05 in 2016) million to SCO.

Now, I'm going to bring up another thing, which is the Sun vs Microsoft lawsuit regarding Java. What happened was that there was an actual Microsoft implementation of Java that shipped with Windows, originally made so that IE3 could run Java applets. However, Microsoft tried to extend Java with proprietary extensions making Suns "write once ~~debug~~ run everywhere" claim broken. They settled this case after some time in court, but it was referenced in the antitrust trial. Here's some information from that:

- In short, Microsoft feared and sought to impede the development of network effects that cross-platform technology like Netscape Navigator and Java might enjoy and use to challenge Microsoft's monopoly. Another internal Microsoft document indicates that the plan was not simply to blunt Java/browser cross-platform momentum, but to destroy the cross-platform threat entirely, with the "Strategic Objective" described as to "Kill cross-platform Java by grow[ing] the polluted Java market."

[Source from Wikipedia regarding Microsoft Java](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Java_Virtual_Machine)

And now, some fun fact from the antitrust trial.

- Intel Vice-President Steven McGeady, called as a witness, quoted Paul Maritz, a senior Microsoft vice president, as having stated an intention to "extinguish" and "smother" rival Netscape Communications Corporation and to "cut off Netscape's air supply" by giving away a clone of Netscape's flagship product for free

- Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson issued his findings of fact on November 5, 1999, which stated that Microsoft's dominance of the x86-based personal computer operating systems market constituted a monopoly, and that Microsoft had taken actions to crush threats to that monopoly, including Apple, Java, Netscape, Lotus Software, RealNetworks, Linux, and others.

- Judge Jackson's response to this was that Microsoft's conduct itself was the cause of any "perceived bias"; Microsoft executives had, according to him, "proved, time and time again, to be inaccurate, misleading, evasive, and transparently false. ... Microsoft is a company with an institutional disdain for both the truth and for rules of law that lesser entities must respect. It is also a company whose senior management is not averse to offering specious testimony to support spurious defenses to claims of its wrongdoing."

Remember this when talking about Bill Gates: He's a criminal mastermind, running a mobster-like organization. His ill-gotten gain is the result of systematic criminal behaviour from him and his company. While he's of course not at Microsoft today, he built the corporate culture there. [Wikipedia source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.)

They also tried to shaft another contractual partner. They licensed a browser from Spyglass which became Internet Explorer. Now, at this point in time, usually browsers cost money. Netscape Navigator cost money, and so did most others. In their contract with Spyglass for IE they agreed that Microsoft would pay a percentage of the sales from IE to Spyglass. However, Microsoft then gave away IE for free with Windows(You know, "cutting off the air supply" to Netscape) and then claimed they didn't have to pay royalties because they were giving it away. A technicality? Maybe. Legal? Uncertain. Immoral? Most definitively. [They settled before it ever made to court though.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyglass,_Inc.)

In earlier days, they also obfuscated API access to try and hamper both other versions of DOS and WordPerfect. Unfortunately the antitrust lawsuit between Novell and Microsoft got dismissed in 2012. There were several problems with DR-DOS and WordPerfect on MS-DOS and Windows. The jury is still out on whether or not it was intentional, but I'll leave this quote from Jim Allchin here:

- Microsoft Co-President Jim Allchin stated in a memo, "If you're going to kill someone there isn't much reason to get all worked up about it and angry. Any discussions beforehand are a waste of time. We need to smile at Novell while we pull the trigger."

- Microsoft Senior Vice President Brad Silverberg later sent another memo, stating: "What the [user] is supposed to do is feel uncomfortable, and when he has bugs, suspect that the problem is DR-DOS and then go out to buy MS-DOS."

This is a lot of history though, and I understand that people don't automatically believe this is the case today. However, I will make a case that this kind of thinking and corporate culture breeds the same type of people. It's not like Microsoft was made up of upstanding people and just a few bad eggs, it was probably the other way around.

But then, let's take a look at "Get The Facts", which is a bit newer, only 13 years old. It was Microsoft using Microsoft-funded "studies" claiming that Linux was insecure, it was bad for servers, unstable, no commercial support etc. This is the one I remember most of myself, because everywhere I went I got that incredibly annoying "London Stock Exchange uses Microsoft Windows"-ad. They lied about the security even if you followed their own lax standards for themselves. It was a smear campaign, hilariously though, the LSE switched to Linux when Accenture and Microsoft brought them down in flames. [I managed to find a youtube video of a "Get The Facts" commercial.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwSM55bsCrM)

[And here's an example of the "Highly Reliable Times"](http://www.microsoft.com/library/media/1033/windowsserver/facts/graphics/images/ncsoftbanner.jpg)


This campaign didn't work either. Both SUSE and RH kept going strong, and the community distributions as well. So the next path of attack was patents. They claimed Linux breached 235 patents. Weirdly specific number. But oddly, they were never more specific than numbers:

- The numbers and locations of the alleged violations break down as follows: 42 violations within the Linux kernel itself, 65 within the "Linux GUI," though the article doesn't specify whether these infringements apply to one GUI or apply equally to all the Linux desktop environments. OpenOffice allegedly violates an additional 45 patents, e-mail programs infringe on another 15 patents, and an unspecified array of "other" OSS programs violate a further 68 patents.

You will notice though, that they never said **which** patents. Just the number. Unfortunately, Novell entered into a patent agreement with Microsoft about these, and gave them some extra ammunition. Luckily, Red Hat wasn't having anything of it, and offered patent protection to their customers.

Lastly, I almost didn't want to mention it, because I hate those fuckers that started this lawsuit so incredibly much. But Microsofts bullshit detector had to have been non-working when they funded the SCO lawsuit, they probably programmed it themselves. Either way, they sent upwards of 50$ million dollars to the criminal scumbags at SCO. Funding what amounted to the most pointless lawsuit ever. First of all, there was no copyright infringement, secondly, SCO didn't even own the copyright they were suing about. It got into a petty contract dispute with IBM in the end, and IBM is not one to be taken to the cleaners by legal trolls.


What I am saying there though, is not that Microsoft can't change. And not that they don't "love" open source and Linux. But a few good moves does not erase a lifetime of criminal and unethical behaviour. So when you want to sling insults at someone being sceptical of Microsofts intentions, keep this quote in mind:

- "We need to smile at Novell while we pull the trigger."

If it doesn't give you even a little bit of a chill, then I put it to you that you didn't fully understand the quote.

EDIT: I just realized I forgot loads of shit. Secure boot, OOXML ISO corruption, claiming open source as a target for terrorists, conspiring with NSA for surveillance, and just a funny bit: [They photoshopped a black man white, but forgot his hands](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/26/microsofts-ad-in-poland-p_n_269366.”””””

Long read but theres plenty more
 
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