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Avowed art director calls Elon Musk a "sad little shit" over Avowed gender pronoun complaints, indicates more of the same in final product
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sainraja
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I didn't jump into the conversation to explain H007's point of view, you guys have been going back and forth with him on it. My point was that it is pointless to focus all your energy on that point when the majority of people that are accusing him of that, do the very same thing but in reverse. They're all hypocrites (they know who they are, one of them has pretty much admitted to being a hypocrite) and I am willing to bet that most of those people are agreeing with you in this thread. They will sing a completely different tune if this game was a Sony published one, also why #SonyToo keeps being brought up in this thread, to redirect criticism, which is unnecessary, since given how things are right now, the political climate, everyone being on edge it seems, Avowed could have been a Sony game and people would be doing the same thing they are right now; Concord is the most extreme example of that, and some of that game's developers were also being included in conversations around the game.I don't know how you can look at these two quotes byHeisenberg007 and not find his stance on The Outer Worlds 'wokeness' not hypocritical. No body is allying themselves with anybody, but i would assume if you have a problem with 'woke' video games that would extend to all video games, not just video games published by MS, because clearly he doesn't mind, when a Sony game is 'woke'.
This thread is about Avowed. A game that **might** end up suffering from the same thing [woke politics to be clear, not the fact someone is gay in it, since there are games with gay people that have done well]. A similar crime in the past does not excuse future ones so harping on that to redirect criticism for this game seems pointless to me.
What is made worse, in the case of Avowed, is that the director has a bone to pick with those who might feel differently than he does. The reason this topic exists. He deserves any criticism he is getting. He brought it upon himself and his game.
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Little Chicken
Banned
The amount of unkempt 40 year old children creating videos about this on YT for cheap engagement is crazy.
Imagine trying to ruin a game because you're unemployable yet you've got 2 minute OF feet videos to pay for.
Imagine trying to ruin a game because you're unemployable yet you've got 2 minute OF feet videos to pay for.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
If the game is ruined, why should those YouTubers be blamed? The entire onus of that burden is on Obsidian, Xbox executives, and, especially Avowed's Art Director.
If your primary goal, as he said, is to piss off your customers and "so badly make them mad with their game," it shouldn't come as a surprise when the potential customers actually do get mad and end up boycotting your product.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Games of Today
Member
Dude WTF!? If that's real fuck Microsoft so hard. I hope A.I. replaces all of their employee's jobs. It'll make better games, that's for sure.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
What is sadder is the amount of angry people here and everywhere else on the internet falling for the grift. I’m sure there are weirdos on the other side making videos complaining such and such game isn’t diverse or something enough. Glad my YT algorithm is clean of all of this bullshit.
Bernardougf
Member
Its ok ... its only incels talking to forum basement dwellers ... it wont matter .. the modern audience will buy the game and make it successful
Little Chicken
Banned
You know how much damage an echo chamber of soap dodgers can do alone.
There isn't a reason to throw an entire team's work under the bus because of something one moron says on social media, this is the same behavior R****Era exhibited against Kingdom Come: Deliverance and Hogwarts Legacy, the same behavior which was mocked and derided by people here.
Bernardougf
Member
And how exactly has this behavior from retardera affect hogwards success at all ? ... outrage at foruns dosent matter.. only the perception of the main stream buyer about the game.
Now.. if the outrage is in line with the moderate buyer ...than thats a problem ..
You will have to wait and see.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
He didn’t say the grifters would be to blame. Obviously if the game isn’t any good it won’t be the fault of grifters or low IQ sheep screaming about pronouns.
I think you’re making too big a deal of two people shit posting each other on twitter, whether it’s something a developer of a video game should be doing in todays’s whiny culture or not. But it’s hollow from you since we’ve seen plenty of evidence that once you have the game installed on your PS5, you don’t care about “woke” elements at all and will mindlessly defend them if it’s a Sony game
Buggy Loop
Member
Yup
Both extremes are fully fucking retarded
Watching this from a more neutral position, it's as "REEE" of a reaction as all those cancel culture ones from the left.
The way these grifters are extrapolating from a director and pronouns is something to behold. When even Asmongold calls out your bullshit extrapolation, it's dire.
Even makes me wonder who their target audience is? 13? What is up with Doctor disaster making a cringe dance midway his video? Is this the fortnite crowd?
Bumblebeetuna
Member
They are two sides of the same coin. All you can do is sit back and laugh.
sainraja
Member
If the game comes out and isn't riddled with woke politics, then all this noise prior to release will dissipate. It won't matter. How much noise being made online does not always translate to reality. We will just have to wait and see. If it ends up being just the character selection screen, I think this will die down pretty quickly, and no one will care after that, and the game won't suffer because of it.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
If the game is actually good and caters to the core customer base, it will still be a huge success.
Hogwart's Legacy is a great example. RE boycotted it so much that they never even mentioned its name, even when it appeared on sales charts. Yet the game was a huge success. Because Hogwart's Legacy, other than a small group of nutjobs, was made for its fanbase and the core gamers.
Avowed is being the opposite. They are catering to that small group of nutjobs, which is so small that they can't make a game successful or a failure. They couldn't make Hogwart's Legacy a failure. They couldn't make Concord a success.
It's Obsidian's fault that they are catering to the wrong group.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Will be pretty fucking embarassing for everyone if it is literally just the character select screen.
I mean, getting this guy fired will be a good thing, but there's also the "Woke" backlash as well. If that turns around to be all about a single pro noun selector on the character select screen. That's embarrassing for everyone involved.
I hope we do hear that this guy has been let go soon though.
NonPhixion
Member
aweeee you can just tell chickenappletuna are so upset about YouTubers dumping on this game. It’s all their fault! 
sainraja
Member
I don't know why anyone should be embarrassed over this. As we all know, stuff like this generates conversations around a game, and we can argue whether that is good or bad all day long. It does bring attention to the game. Anyhow, this issue only got magnified because of statements made by the director in addition to the character selection screen. So, if anyone should be embarrassed, it should be the director because he brought negative attention to something he and his team worked on for years.
If it ends up being nothing, then most people will just move on to the next hot topic. Just how it goes.
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Chickens aren't smart enough to feel emotional pain
GHG
Member
aweeee you can just tell chickenappletuna are so upset about YouTubers dumping on this game. It’s all their fault!
Don't you see? Everyone else are just so stupid and they are falling for it.
Wake up sheeple!
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Bernardougf
Member
I highly doubt that will be only this ... ugly masculinized female models are already
A check and some woke story tropes are almost a giving at this point I would bet....
The game will just have to overcome this with other qualities.
Hogwards was not just pronouns... as bg3 .. so its possible to overcome this things
Buggy Loop
Member
Retardera crowd representation and "trans" peoples are like <0.1% representation? They didn't budge a needle and statistically speaking, obviously it cannot amount to cancel anything.
Angry white men clickbait farms are targeting the majority of the gaming audience, white men.
But those youtubers using a "win" that is Hogwarts Legacy with non-binary character creator, use of pronouns according to that choice in the game, feels so very strange when as soon as they sniffed pronouns in Avowed, there's now hundreds of videos raging on it. Although things might have never lifted off if it wasn't for that brainlet director stirring shit. Still, at one point you get over it. There's now nearly 5 days of non-stop content being manufactured by them, JFC.
Yeah, it's a mental illness to be aware that Elon was backing certain candidates to curtail federal investigations and privy favor for more government contracts with less oversight.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Why should it be embarrassing for everyone?
This thread is about the Art Director's meltdown on the Internet (which did happen) and his implication that there is more to come in the game.
If there is nothing else in the game (good news for gamers!), it should only be embarrassing for Avowed's Art Director and Obsidian that they created the wrong impression of their game.
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Bumblebeetuna
Member
aweeee you can just tell chickenappletuna are so upset about YouTubers dumping on this game. It’s all their fault!
Bumblebeetuna
Member
You can’t embarrass these people, they aren’t paid to feel shame. Just look at 007 when he got called out for his blatant double standards. There is no dignity here.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Make sense.2004 vs. 2024.
Politically driven people are typically not very good looking and have off putting social skills. And they project themselves into games hoping gamers like seeing and playing those characters for personal validation and ego boosting.
It’s not too often you see hot women who are personable and likeable people being weird political types.
And they definitely don’t seem like people who like the good looking women who get the attention. But funny how the male characters are still good looking hunks like nothing has changed since the first DND ripped warrior dude from 40 years ago.
Bernardougf
Member
Well boo fucking whoo mate ... if the game utterly fails its not because of youtube caliing it woke to a small part of consumers.... its because in fact it was woke . And the majority of people rejected because of that.
If some youtubers are spreading lies ok ... but as long as it is the game has Pronouns and Devs is a cuck and racist... its all fair.
Of course the game might be dogshit in everyother aspect and we will have to discuss this later...
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GHG
Member
The first thing you need to do in order to make this right is cleanse your youtube feed.
Step one - unsubscribe to every single channel you follow.
Step two - only subscribe to the following two channels:
Xbox
The official home of Xbox on YouTube. When everyone plays, we all win. "The only place on the internet where you can find world-class reveals, and random community tab drawings." ESRB Rating: RATING PENDING to MATURE We try our best to read every comment, and are always looking for the next...
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Obsidian Entertainment
Obsidian Entertainment specializes in creating the world's most engrossing interactive role-playing games including Fallout: New Vegas, South Park: The Stick of Truth, Alpha Protocol, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, and the Pillars of Eternity universe of games...
youtube.com
Congratulations, you are now officially cleansed and ready for Avowed consumption.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
It isn't just pronouns. We've seen weird character designs of the female already present in the game. Then there's the meltdown of the Art Director.
And people are specially sensitive to these things after Dragon Age Veilguard.
It got big because the Art Director targeted the owner of Twitter. The guy has 206 million followers. Of course, there was gonna be more than usual traction.
What else did Avowed's Art Director expect? That I'll go after someone so popular, and this won't become a big thing?
Little Chicken
Banned
Buggy Loop
Member
The first thing you need to do in order to make this right is cleanse your youtube feed.
Step one - unsubscribe to every single channel you follow.
Step two - only subscribe to the following two channels:
Xbox
The official home of Xbox on YouTube. When everyone plays, we all win. "The only place on the internet where you can find world-class reveals, and random community tab drawings." ESRB Rating: RATING PENDING to MATURE We try our best to read every comment, and are always looking for the next...
Obsidian Entertainment
Obsidian Entertainment specializes in creating the world's most engrossing interactive role-playing games including Fallout: New Vegas, South Park: The Stick of Truth, Alpha Protocol, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, and the Pillars of Eternity universe of games...
Congratulations, you are now officially cleansed and ready for Avowed consumption.
Never expected these kind of shit stirring posts from you GHG. This is getting to ridiculous levels.
I don't even recognize long time GAF posters
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I know you're mad at me because I exposed your hypocrisy here with receipts - when you had to admit that you'll still play South of Midnight on Game Pass even though Sweet Baby Inc. is involved, despite claiming earlier that you would not support Sweet Baby Inc. You keep trying to project that on me, saying that I don't criticize Sony games for this, even though I have been criticizing Concord since the gameplay reveal.
It's okay. You keep baiting me and others so this thread gets derailed again and, eventually, locked, so you can protect your precious corporation.
But no one is biting it. It's not happening, honey. Let it go!
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GHG
Member
Never expected these kind of shit stirring posts from you GHG. This is getting to ridiculous levels.
Bernardougf
Member
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Unfortunately, I am not a part of boobies. I wish I was.Not hard to defend the problem when you're part of it
I like boobies. Boobies are good.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Here you go little buddy, I fixed the box art so you can instantly think the game will be great
You’re welcome.
10/10,
Heisenberg007
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Little Chicken
Banned
I have emotions.
I've been knocking back the estrogen to meet GAF standards, how do I look?
BbMajor7th
Member
Not true, even based on your own examples. There was a concerted effort, including from high-profile media outlets and website owners, to boycott Hogwarts Legacy. It was so overwhelmingly meaningless that 'the unnamed wizard game' went on to become the year's best seller. Meanwhile, no-one on this side of the argument is stirring up a moral panic to drive any game toward failure, they're merely calling out what they see as poor writing and design and heavy-handed didacticism, this, we as a community have done since forever.
Games aren't being killed by tidal waves of hate online, they're flying a concrete wall of indifference offline. Concord, Suicide Squad, Star Wars Outlaws - we can all sit here and stew over the 'woke takeover' or whatever, but nobody actually cares. What matters is that most normal people (those who are pro-woke and those who don't mind either way) look at these games and think 'meh, I'm good'.
When angry pundits shout back 'this game isn't for you' it's with the express implication that it is for somebody else. That audience though - the legendary 'modern audience' - is vanishingly small and more often than not, just as hypocritical as the rest of us. They say they want this stuff on social media, and I'm sure they do on some level, but when it comes to spending hard-earned money on a day-one purchase, they want the same thing everyone else does: a really good fucking game.
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Humdinger
Gold Member
Let's not put everyone in the same basket, please. Not everyone is jumping to the conclusion that "pronouns = game is woke and sucks." Many of us, me included, have been saying repeatedly that if that's all it is - a pronoun selector in a character menu - and the rest of the game is solid, then cool, that's great. I'm hoping that's how it turns out.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
More derail attempts and baits. Not happening, my boys!
thegame983
Member
What's with the influx of Reetards on Gaf lately?
Is it some form of collective punishment because the orange man won?
Is it some form of collective punishment because the orange man won?
Bumblebeetuna
Member
I know you're mad at me because I exposed your hypocrisy here with receipts - when you had to admit that you'll still play South of Midnight on Game Pass even though Sweet Baby Inc. is involved, despite claiming earlier that you would not support Sweet Baby Inc. You keep trying to project that on me, saying that I don't criticize Sony games for this, even though I have been criticizing Concord since the gameplay reveal.
It's okay. You keep baiting me and others so this thread gets derailed again and, eventually, locked, so you can protect your precious corporation.
But no one is biting it. It's not happening, honey. Let it go!
See? No shame at all. At least he’s given up on trying to tie it to console warz nonsense, since Midnight and Avowed are both Microsoft games.
By the way, not buying the game and playing it on GamePass instead, isn’t supporting SBI
Lastly, why in the world would anyone want this thread locked? It’s too entertaining. Get new marching orders, please.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yep. Good examples.
RE + Almost all gaming media outlets boycotted/criticized Hogwart's Legacy. But gamers liked it = Huge commercial success.
RE + Almost all gaming media outlets propped up Dragon Age Veilguard. But gamers hated it = Huge flop.
Gamers have way more power here. If the game is good, it will be successful - regardless of any controversy.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I have emotions.
I've been knocking back the estrogen to meet GAF standards, how do I look
Now you look perfect.
Bernardougf
Member
I think you will have the chance to proove your point with GOY or more likely Wolverine really soon.More derail attempts and baits. Not happening, my boys!