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[Snake29]

I'm sure Sony making deals that didn't allow 3rd parties to make games on Dreamcast helped put Sega outta business.

It doesn't matter what you say. It's not going to make MS/Xbox look anything better.

 

[Fabieter]

I think this moment was probably during Phil’s pitch to Nadella. We’re either in or out, but if we’re in we have to be all in.

I think it was at this point that Phil had already conceptualised Game Pass and the idea of acquiring studios/publishers to starve Sony of revenue and content. And I think it was that plan that convinced Nadella.

The email proves kinda long term plan

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

So would you say then, that admitting you've lost and are last place in your industry, then using the funds of perhaps one of the largest corporations in the world (that itself has a history of litigated anticompetitive practices) to buy out all of your competitors and leave only your failing business in it's place is competitive, or anticompetitive behavior?

Of course that would be anticompetitive, but that isn’t happening.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Of course that would be anticompetitive, but that isn’t happening.

Oh, but it is.

 

[Klayzer]

Oh, but it is.

How can anyone look at the actual facts of the case and think otherwise.

 

[FlyyGOD]

It doesn't matter what you say. It's not going to make MS/Xbox look anything better.

I'm not sure what to make of this. Are you upset with Microsoft business tactics but are perfectly fine with Sony's?

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Oh, but it is.

No it isn’t.

 

[Bernardougf]

How can anyone look at the actual facts of the case and think otherwise.

 

[DeepEnigma]

No it isn’t.

Yes, it is.

 

[Fabieter]

No it isn’t.

Must be all the profits of xbox used for these buyouts.

 

[Sethbacca]

Oh, but it is.

C'mon now, it's clearly totally reasonable to spend more than the entire market cap of Nintendo, and 2/3rds of the market cap of Sony on just acquisitions when you're in dead last place in a market. People are just arguing from a place of bad faith and fanboy love.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Must be all the profits of xbox used for these buyouts.

There’s a gargantuan leap between what MS has done and MS “buying out all competitors and leaving only Xbox in the industry”. We see how hard it’s been for them just to get ABK let alone the entire industry.

And by the way, we saw from Jimmy’s email that he doesn’t see MS foreclosing CoD and that Sony will be just fine.

 

[DeepEnigma]

C'mon now, it's clearly totally reasonable to spend more than the entire market cap of Nintendo, and 2/3rds of the market cap of Sony on just acquisitions. People are just arguing from a place of bad faith and fanboy love.

For your "lost the war" console business, no less. Their words, not mine.

 

[Sethbacca]

For your "lost the war" console business, no less. Their words, not mine.

Yeah I meant to add that. That's what happens I'm balls deep in GAF drama when I should be working, but it's Friday and I'm really just biding my time till I can play FF16 again.

 

[Fabieter]

There’s a gargantuan leap between what MS has done and MS “buying out all competitors and leaving only Xbox in the industry”. We see how hard it’s been for them just to get ABK let alone the entire industry.

And by the way, we saw from Jimmy’s email that he doesn’t see MS foreclosing CoD and that Sony will be just fine.

It's for them to hit critical mass and they will try unil they get blocked with a publishe . And money will bring them some other publishers through the review process.

If they were foe competition they could finance like 150 aaa games with the 68b, but it's not to get content it's about remove content from the competition so making those aaa games from scratch isn't an option even if that would be better for gamers.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

It's for them to hit critical mass and they will try unil they get blocked with a publishe . And money will bring them some other publishers through the review process.

If they were foe competition they could finance like 150 aaa games with the 68b, but it's not to get content it's about remove content from the competition so making those aaa games from scratch isn't an option even if that would be better for gamers.

And if the ABK deal is any indication, they’ll get blocked. So again, where do they buy out the industry and leave themselves as the only option?

It’s not as simple as “well duh take that 70B and make 150 AAA games!”. The ROI on that 70B buying ABK versus paying for dev or moneyhatting a ton of games are dramatically different. Furthermore I really don’t get why a lot of you are so up in arms about ABK but then are fine with them instead just spending tens of billions moneyhatting games. It’s the same shit either way

 

[NickFire]

Furthermore I really don’t get why a lot of you are so up in arms about ABK but then are fine with them instead just spending tens of billions moneyhatting games. It’s the same shit either way

There's no way they would pay to make COD exclusive via money hat. It's one thing to take a loss on PS sales when they get 100% of revenue wherever else it sells. Totally different story if they only get 20% and only from Xbox console players.

 

[JackMcGunns]

A new narrative is born.

Too late, started with Coca Cola vs Pepsi

 

[DeepEnigma]

Too late, started with Coca Cola vs Pepsi

 

[FrankWza]

Thank you for your service. And no joke, bro, I don't mean that in a condescending way. Baseball is my all time favorite sport, it actually transcends "just a sport" to me. Now, I am not as fanatical as I used to be, barely watch it now compared to how I was. But that has more to do with the modern political injections and the like, than the beauty of one of God's perfectly designed games. I used to watch Ken Burns Baseball every spring training like a ritual, year in and year out.

There was just a week long mental break given to a guy with a. 216 career average that can't play the field and is a platoon dh. Baseball got soft and way too friendly.

I wouldn't have changed a thing for my avatar pic

I was surprised when I saw de la Cruz that Eric Davis number hasn't been retired.

 

[DeepEnigma]

There was just a week long mental break given to a guy with a. 216 career average that can't play the field and is a platoon dh. Baseball got soft and way too friendly.

Goodness.

 

[the_master]

Update:



In an appeal to the U.S. 9th Circuit Court, lawyers representing a group of gamers suing to block the deal over antitrust concerns point to a purported internal Microsoft email they describe as “uncontroverted evidence that Microsoft had the intention to put its main competition, the Sony PlayStation, out of the market.”

• The contents of the message are redacted, but the plaintiffs say it was sent by Microsoft’s head of Xbox game studios (Matt Booty) to Microsoft’s chief financial officer for Xbox (Tim Stuart).

https://www.axios.com/2023/06/20/exhibit-k-microsoft-activision

So an Xbox exec wants to win the console wars vs the all powerful Playstation…
Isn’t that his job???
Is this all a joke?

 

[DeepEnigma]

I see the new reductive narrative lacking all context and nuance has arrived.

 

[RoboFu]

So an Xbox exec wants to win the console wars vs the all powerful Playstation…
Isn’t that his job???
Is this all a joke?

all th ese threads are a joke.. trying to pull out any little reasoning.. " IT WAS PLANNED " is the dumbest one. and for what? Whats the point?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

There was just a week long mental break given to a guy with a. 216 career average that can't play the field and is a platoon dh. Baseball got soft and way too friendly.

I was surprised when I saw de la Cruz that Eric Davis number hasn't been retired.

Eric the Red was something to watch daily and a funny funny guy

TO ME he is borderline top 20 Red of all time which should warrant a number retirement and a was huge in that 1990 season.

His homerun in game 1 made us believe and people forget home bad he was injured on that diving play in game 4 that literally almost killed him and changed his career arc

 

[DeepEnigma]

all th ese threads are a joke.. trying to pull out any little reasoning.. " IT WAS PLANNED " is the dumbest one. and for what? Whats the point?

Thought Experiment™

 

[Bernardougf]

I see the new reductive narrative lacking all context and nuance has arrived.

Best just ignore... because the loop with this arm of shills taking turns reviving the same brain dead argument at every 5 pages becomes exausting

 

[Fabieter]

And if the ABK deal is any indication, they’ll get blocked. So again, where do they buy out the industry and leave themselves as the only option?

It’s not as simple as “well duh take that 70B and make 150 AAA games!”. The ROI on that 70B buying ABK versus paying for dev or moneyhatting a ton of games are dramatically different. Furthermore I really don’t get why a lot of you are so up in arms about ABK but then are fine with them instead just spending tens of billions moneyhatting games. It’s the same shit either way

They could use all the money for actually building games. Its not about moneyhatting. It's going to studios and say hey we like your previous work lets build something big together. Sony build most of their studios from small studios they worked with. It's not about ROI. Avb had what? 7b revenue and 2b profit? That's like 35 years to pay for avb and that's without calculating that game sales will drop once they complete the buyout.

I dont care what you believe but its not rocket science what this is about and Microsoft had a history of market disruption.

 

[Klayzer]

Best just ignore... because the loop with this arm of shills taking turns reviving the same brain dead argument at every 5 pages becomes exausting

Perfect synopsis of what's going on.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

They could use all the money for actually building games. Its not about moneyhatting. It's going to studios and say hey we like your previous work lets build something big together. Sony build most of their studios from small studios they worked with. It's not about ROI. Avb had what? 7b revenue and 2b profit? That's like 35 years to pay for avb and that's without calculating that game sales will drop once they complete the buyout.

I dont care what you believe but its not rocket science what this is about and Microsoft had a history of market disruption.

Sony pays studios to make exclusive game(s) and then buys them. The idea that this is some kind of honorable way to do business compared to just buying the studio outright is laughable and always has been. It’s hypocrites making excuses. Personally I don’t care about any of it, money hat or buy whatever you want.

They had a tiny amount of studios before they started acquiring and since buying the studios they’ve done exactly what you’re saying you want them to do, expand and support. They’re not going to spend 70B expanding studios or opening new ones just because a mega publisher like Activision which already has studios on the ground and games in the pipeline and big IPs wants to sell for that same 70B.

As you said, it’s not rocket science.

 

[Fabieter]

Sony pays studios to make exclusive game(s) and then buys them. The idea that this is some kind of honorable way to do business compared to just buying the studio outright is laughable and always has been. It’s hypocrites making excuses. Personally I don’t care about any of it, money hat or buy whatever you want.

They had a tiny amount of studios before they started acquiring and since buying the studios they’ve done exactly what you’re saying you want them to do, expand and support. They’re not going to spend 70B expanding studios or opening new ones just because a mega publisher like Activision which already has studios on the ground and games in the pipeline and big IPs wants to sell for that same 70B.

As you said, it’s not rocket science.

I mean its okay to take a blind eye on logic. It's clear what ms intentions are no matter how much some people downplaying it.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

I mean its okay to take a blind eye on logic. It's clear what ms intentions are no matter how much some people downplaying it.

Yet the regulators and CEO of Sony don’t agree with you armchair analysts. Some of you could be very rich apparently, if you just changed careers. You know more than everyone else apparently.

Still waiting to see how MS, who is struggling mightily to purchase one very big publisher, will buy the entire industry.

 

[Fabieter]

Yet the regulators and CEO of Sony don’t agree with you armchair analysts. Some of you could be very rich apparently, if you just changed careers. You know more than everyone else apparently.

Still waiting to see how MS, who is struggling mightily to purchase one very big publisher, will buy the entire industry.

They are struggling? Everyone has approved the buyout without any hesitation besides two countries, sure its a roadblock but most didn't care like at all. And if they get the biggest publisher in the industry than there is no reason to not also add some Bethesda level pub on top of it. And seriously if ms manages to change the industry than there will be dark times ahead of it if netflix and Co is anything to go by. Most of the shows on there are just filler without any value.

 

[John Wick]

That's not usually how Alphas think who make it to the tops of their perspective mountains

Not only do they want to win they want their competitors to die

MS no Alpha. Otherwise it wouldn't resort to the shitty tactics it's used all it's existence.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

They are struggling? Everyone has approved the buyout without any hesitation besides two countries, sure its a roadblock but most didn't care like at all. And if they get the biggest publisher in the industry than there is no reason to not also add some Bethesda level pub on top of it. And seriously if ms manages to change the industry than there will be dark times ahead of it if netflix and Co is anything to go by. Most of the shows on there are just filler without any value.

Oh yeah just the US and UK, not important markets for MS or anything.

And your opinion on streaming video content is fine, it’s your opinion. I happen to think there’s more quality content there then there’s ever been. And even back before streaming blew up, premium subscriptions were still providing some of the best video entertainment available.

But MS doesn’t have anything streaming only or subscription only like Netflix. Everything is available to buy and own.

 

[Wooxsvan]

 

[Js562]

Let Microsoft have Activision if there both agreeing to it why stop it. Let it be

 

[Panajev2001a]

Oh yeah just the US and UK, not important markets for MS or anything.

And your opinion on streaming video content is fine, it’s your opinion. I happen to think there’s more quality content there then there’s ever been. And even back before streaming blew up, premium subscriptions were still providing some of the best video entertainment available.

But MS doesn’t have anything streaming only or subscription only like Netflix. Everything is available to buy and own.

“Let’s make a long lasting decision with long lasting implications impossible to reverse later based on short term promises from a giant company that brags about following laws as if it were an option and that has misled regulators already very recently and has a proven history of market manipulation / monopoly abuse”…. Sure, what can go wrong ?

 

[Edgelord79]

Still not convinced there isn’t going to be a way for Microsoft to overturn this in court.

After reading a bit of the documentation it seems very subjective on either side. Either way I think an appeal could prove much closer than people think.

On a personal level I just don’t care as I’ll get the games I want on whatever platform available. However, it DOES seem some of the conclusions drawn by the regulators showed a lack of awareness about the industry as a whole.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

C'mon now, it's clearly totally reasonable to spend more than the entire market cap of Nintendo, and 2/3rds of the market cap of Sony on just acquisitions when you're in dead last place in a market. People are just arguing from a place of bad faith and fanboy love.

In all honesty if Sony had 70 billion USD they'd probably do the same.
This is where regulators should step up. But they've failed us before.

 

[Fabieter]

It was a thought experiment is something. They really think the public is this stupid?

 

[Three]

On a personal level I just don’t care as I’ll get the games I want where I want.

I think this is the exact opposite of what will happen unless "where you want" happens to always be MS platforms.

 

[Fabieter]

Still not convinced there isn’t going to be a way for Microsoft to overturn this in court.

After reading a bit of the documentation it seems very subjective on either side. Either way I think an appeal could prove much closer than people think.

On a personal level I just don’t care as I’ll get the games I want where I want. However, it DOES seem some of the conclusions drawn by the regulators showed a lack of awareness about the industry as a whole.

Iam 100% sure they will get this through and it won't be the last publisher either.

 

[Darsxx82]

So an Xbox exec wants to win the console wars vs the all powerful Playstation…
Isn’t that his job???
Is this all a joke?

It's even worse.....

Now you know the content of that message since The hearing (There are several Tolito uodates un his Twitter too) and.….. guess?...

Matt Botty" :
"There is no way we are going to put our first party games on the competition platform, no effin way"

Gamer lawyer interpretation:
"MS says it wants remove a Playstation from the market"

And this email is from 2019, referring to his games on GForceNow and when MS had neither Bethesda nor, of course, ABK.

And yet this thread is still open...

 

[Panajev2001a]

It's even worse.....

Now you know the content of that message (There are several Tolito uodates un his Twitter) and.….. guess?...

Matt Botty" :
"There is no way we are going to put our first party games on the competition platform, no effin way"

Gamer lawyer interpretation:
"MS says it wants to remove a Playstation from the market"

And this email is from 2019, referring to his games on GForceNow and when MS had neither Bethesda nor, of course, ABK.

And yet this thread is still open...

It is as if you are posting with a lot looot of posts on ignore from anyone without a green tint or without reading anything at all… and yet you still posted…

 

[Rick Dangerous]

“Let’s make a long lasting decision with long lasting implications impossible to reverse later based on short term promises from a giant company that brags about following laws as if it were an option and that has misled regulators already very recently and has a proven history of market manipulation / monopoly abuse”…. Sure, what can go wrong ?

This exactly.

 

[Darsxx82]

It is as if you are posting with a lot looot of posts on ignore from anyone without a green tint or without reading anything at all… and yet you still posted…

I don't have to ignore anyone..... I just put what has been declared and verified.

Rather, it is your problem for not wanting to see what reality has been because that affects your narrative

 

[Rick Dangerous]

Sony pays studios to make exclusive game(s) and then buys them. The idea that this is some kind of honorable way to do business compared to just buying the studio outright is laughable and always has been. It’s hypocrites making excuses. Personally I don’t care about any of it, money hat or buy whatever you want.

They had a tiny amount of studios before they started acquiring and since buying the studios they’ve done exactly what you’re saying you want them to do, expand and support. They’re not going to spend 70B expanding studios or opening new ones just because a mega publisher like Activision which already has studios on the ground and games in the pipeline and big IPs wants to sell for that same 70B.

As you said, it’s not rocket science.

A really dumb view on how things work and without any knowledge on how this megacorps operate : create a lockdown and prevent any competition.
But hey, armchair analysts....

 

[Three]

And this email is from 2019, referring to his games on GForceNow and when MS had neither Bethesda nor, of course, ABK.

And yet this thread is still open...

"lawyer brought up Booty recommending in March 2021 that Bethesda's games be pulled from Nvidia's GeForce Now (this was the month the Bethesda acquisition closed)"

What was that about "reality and verified"?

 

[01011001]