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[Bernoulli]

Update:

Thought experiment?

In an appeal to the U.S. 9th Circuit Court, lawyers representing a group of gamers suing to block the deal over antitrust concerns point to a purported internal Microsoft email they describe as "uncontroverted evidence that Microsoft had the intention to put its main competition, the Sony PlayStation, out of the market."

• The contents of the message are redacted, but the plaintiffs say it was sent by Microsoft's head of Xbox game studios (Matt Booty) to Microsoft's chief financial officer for Xbox (Tim Stuart).

https://www.axios.com/2023/06/20/exhibit-k-microsoft-activision

 

[graywolf323]

https://www.axios.com/2023/06/20/exhibit-k-microsoft-activision

this seems thread-worthy IMO, for all their talk about how this was to bring games to more gamers blah blah blah etc. it ends up that in private they were talking about what most of us knew was likely the truth, Xbox hopes to kill off their main competition in the console space

gotta love how Phil Spencer was out there not long ago claiming PlayStation was trying to grow by shrinking Xbox when that's exactly what his company is trying to do

 

[feynoob]

 

[simpatico]

Isn't that the reason any business does anything? To get rid of their competition?

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

lawyers representing a group of gamers suing to block the deal over antitrust concerns

Anyway why is this news? Of course the purchase is made to put Sony out of business. Do we all think Sony signed a deal to keep FF16 off of Xbox just for shits and giggles?

The end game for all of these companies is to be #1.

 

[feynoob]

 

[GHG]

Edit: shit, too late.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Isn't that the reason any business does anything? To get rid of their competition?

A new narrative is born.

 

[Bernoulli]

Anyway why is this news? Of course the purchase is made to put Sony out of business. Do we all think Sony signed a deal to keep FF16 off of Xbox just for shits and giggles?

The end game for all of these companies is to be #1.

Because they say this isn't about sony and only about mobile
And we have statements like when everybody plays we all win
And stuff like this

Phil Spencer Says Sony Wants to Grow 'By Making Xbox Smaller' - IGN

In a recent podcast appearance, Xbox head Phil Spencer claimed that Sony wanted to retain PlayStation's console dominance by "making Xbox smaller".

www.ign.com

 

[graywolf323]

Anyway why is this news? Of course the purchase is made to put Sony out of business. Do we all think Sony signed a deal to keep FF16 off of Xbox just for shits and giggles?

The end game for all of these companies is to be #1.

…wow, did you seriously compare a third-party exclusive to buying the largest publisher in the industry?

Sony's focus seems to be more about trying to sell as many consoles as they can to make money, Microsoft is the one openly signaling that's not enough for them (such as Phil's recent comments about how even if Starfield was 11/10 it wouldn't get people to sell their PS5's)

PlayStation seems pleased as long as you buy their system, Xbox wants you to buy their system and ONLY theirs

 

[H4ze]

Mild shock

 

[TheDarkPhantom]

EDIT: I've used this meme before but I created it and quite like it plus it fits the situation perfectly. Also, fuck MS

 

[Calverz]

This really isn't threadworthy. It can be discussed in the main OT.

 

[Barakov]

In an appeal to the U.S. 9th Circuit Court, lawyers representing a group of gamers suing to block the deal over antitrust concerns point to a purported internal Microsoft email they describe as "uncontroverted evidence that Microsoft had the intention to put its main competition, the Sony PlayStation, out of the market."

• The contents of the message are redacted, but the plaintiffs say it was sent by Microsoft's head of Xbox game studios (Matt Booty) to Microsoft's chief financial officer for Xbox (Tim Stuart).

https://www.axios.com/2023/06/20/exhibit-k-microsoft-activision

Guess Jimbo has been validated.

 

[Dick Jones]

Isn't that the reason any business does anything? To get rid of their competition?

I thought Amazon and Google are their competitors. Weird they are spending 68 billion to weaken a non competitor

 

[Whitecrow]

My avatar keeps aging like fine wine.

I will shut up for thread's sanity, but man, there so much bs going on MS right now.

 

[Raonak]

This has always been how microsoft operates since the beginning.

They prefer to focus on eliminating the competetion rather than making a better product.

 

[A.Romero]

Lawyers representing a group of gamers? Meaning there is a group of fanboys willing to spend money to cock block Microsoft?

 

[Guilty_AI]

The "uncontroverted evidence that Microsoft had the intention to put its main competition, the Sony PlayStation, out of the market." according to the "lawyers representing a group of gamers suing to block the deal"

 

[Eotheod]

…wow, did you seriously compare a third-party exclusive to buying the largest publisher in the industry?

Sony's focus seems to be more about trying to sell as many consoles as they can to make money, Microsoft is the one openly signaling that's not enough for them (such as Phil's recent comments about how even if Starfield was 11/10 it wouldn't get people to sell their PS5's)

PlayStation seems pleased as long as you buy their system, Xbox wants you to buy their system and ONLY theirs

Aren't they the same thing? Sony is pleased you buy their system because certain games don't even come to others, hence not wanting you to buy elsewhere because you'll miss out. Same with Microsoft.

It is called competition after all, not sure why people expect companies to just let the others steamroll them down without trying something. Do we think mergers are just happy fun time coincidences of interests?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Lawyers representing a group of gamers? Meaning there is a group of fanboys willing to spend money to cock block Microsoft?

A second narrative is born.

 

[Banjo64]

We know.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

…wow, did you seriously compare a third-party exclusive to buying the largest publisher in the industry?

Sony's focus seems to be more about trying to sell as many consoles as they can to make money, Microsoft is the one openly signaling that's not enough for them (such as Phil's recent comments about how even if Starfield was 11/10 it wouldn't get people to sell their PS5's)

PlayStation seems pleased as long as you buy their system, Xbox wants you to buy their system and ONLY theirs

Not comparing the two at all in terms of scale, only intention. To weaken their competition.

This is a big nothing burger.

 

[Alebrije]

One thing is create a competitive ecosystem abn other become the ecosystem and that is Microsoft main goal an as consumers will be a nightmare if this happens.

 

[DeepEnigma]

This is a big nothing burger.

Edit: shit, too late.

 

[Fake]

The video game war is intense.

 

[tusharngf]

I thought they are doing it for goodwill /s

 

[[Sigma]]

Well, we know what argument fanboys like to use is dead now. For the record, most of us with any common sense already knew that's what MS was trying to do.

 

[balls of snow]

Spicy drama before ffxvi.
In.

 

[ConcealedBlaze]

The article doesn't even have the email at issue. Just the plaintiff's filings which will always try to present the evidence in the most favorable light.

Not saying that email isn't damaging to MS's case, but there isn't really anything here to discuss since the actual substance is redacted.

 

[graywolf323]

Aren't they the same thing? Sony is pleased you buy their system because certain games don't even come to others, hence not wanting you to buy elsewhere because you'll miss out. Same with Microsoft.

It is called competition after all, not sure why people expect companies to just let the others steamroll them down without trying something. Do we think mergers are just happy fun time coincidences of interests?

Microsoft doesn't want to compete, they want to dominate

 

[DForce]

Hell no. It would release with cross play and Day 1 on Gamepass as the audience already exists. The main goal isn't to destroy Sony which a lot of these fanboys think. It's to improve their distant 3rd place marketshare and build up Game Pass.

So you think Microsoft wants to remain in third place and not try to kill the competition?

LOL.

Come on, dude.

I remember this conversation I had months ago.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Just like they put Nokia out of business.

 

[Thabass]

If that's the case, he's doing a shit job of it.

 

[GHG]

DeepEnigma the post above mine already did it as well anyway.

The narrative is "it's normal", "lol gamers lawsuit", with a healthy sprinkling of "SonyToo™"

So, so predictable.

 

[Puscifer]

No shit, crazy to me Xbox fans will say Sony content starved Xbox when no one did that better than Microsoft themselves

 

[simpatico]

Microsoft doesn't want to compete, they want to dominate

It's weird. You can compete until you compete too hard and then it's not fair so they shut it down.

 

[Dick Jones]

Except hard work

 

[Slicker than your average]

A new narrative is born.

I thought the purchase was to give more gamers choice.

Now it's to destroy their only competition but that's ok because the defence force says so.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Microsoft doesn't want to compete, they want to dominate

And the others don't?

What is going on

 

[feynoob]

Except hard work

The man survived 10 years as head of Xbox.
If I had a boss like that, I would be in the Bahamas drinking .

 

[DeepEnigma]

I thought the purchase was to give more gamers choice.

Now it's to destroy their only competition but that's ok because the defence force says so.

It's Normal™

 

[kiphalfton]

Hey Microsoft, I got a secret for you.

Spoiler

The Activision/Blizzard deal wouldn't have put Sony's PlayStation gaming division out of business

 

[graywolf323]

It's weird. You can compete until you compete too hard and then it's not fair so they shut it down.

how is buying the largest third party publisher for more money than one of your competitors (Nintendo) is worth & nearly as much as your main competitor is worth competing?

 

[3liteDragon]

 

[Dick Jones]

The man survived 10 years as head of Xbox.
If I had a boss like that, I would be in the Bahamas drinking .

 

[simpatico]

how is buying the largest third party publisher for more money than one of your competitors (Nintendo) is worth & nearly as much as your main competitor is worth competing?

Is there a specific dollar value where you draw the line?

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[MiguelItUp]

Honestly, I'm sure if any company could get their way to eliminate the competition (or at least get them in a weak spot) and be on top I'm sure they would do it in a heartbeat. They were just willing to drop a ton of money to try and get leverage where they could, and I don't blame them.

 

[A.Romero]

A second narrative is born.

It would surprise me for sure...