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[calico]

Also who says no one else is supposed to get over the slurs to them?

Right? I don't think I've ever seen anyone argue black people should get over slurs used against them but nobody else should. Normally someone either thinks everyone should get over it or nobody should.

If he had shouted a slur at someone from a less protected group I doubt it would have created anything like as much controversy, because most groups don't have the chutzpah to try and compete with literal disabled people in the victimhood hierarchy.

 

[Major Insano]

Sounds like you have some low impulse control due to low emotional intelligence.

Ironic, since the only one with an impulse that he can't actually control is the one with the Tourette's.

Even more ironic seeing the DeafTourette guy like your post.

Yes, I would physically confront and restrain someone who was racially abusing my girlfriend, no matter their condition.

You can't enable or excuse criminal behaviour because the perpetrator has a 'disability'.

Would you allow or excuse predators that have their way with people because they are disabled and mentally ill? It's not their fault right? They can't control their impulses or behaviour right?
See where this type of thinking leads..?

Yet, I'm the pathetic one with low intelligence? I'm the one who should be ashamed for defending innocent people?

 

[P:axMagellanic]

Soft American actors couldn't handle Scottish banter. Seriously though it is completely absurd.

There's been a lot of discussion about Tourette Syndrome...

The gentleman in question is the only reason I know about it. He was a young teenager in the 80's when his first documentary aired over here. Then he became memed a fair bit in the early 'aughts with his later work.

He is effectively Mr Tourette over here.

 

[calico]

Yes, I would physically confront and restrain someone who was racially abusing my girlfriend, no matter their condition.

You can't enable or excuse criminal behaviour because the perpetrator has a 'disability'.

Would you allow or excuse predators that have their way with people because they are disabled and mentally ill? It's not their fault right? They can't control their impulses or behaviour right?
See where this type of thinking leads..?

Yet, I'm the pathetic one with low intelligence? I'm the one who should be ashamed for defending innocent people?

You should be ashamed of the entire take and it makes you sound like a pantomine villain, but yes we often 'excuse' what would otherwise be criminal behaviour due to an absence of a guilty mind (mens rea). In this case his disability would provide a very compelling defence that he lacked a guilty mind and his behaviour was therefore not criminal.

This is also why we have insanity defence etc. because we do not consider behaviour to be criminal if the perpetrator lacked a guilty mind. In the case that they are a danger to themselves or others they may still be sent to a mental hospital. We excuse them of the criminal element of the behaviour while still addressing the risk they pose.

In saner times I would laugh at your conflating mentally ill physically violent people with someone who has a disability causing them to unintentionally say upsetting words, or any suggestion they need to be treated in the same way, but we live in a time where enough people have convinced themselves that 'speech is violence' that this nonsense has to be taken seriously.

My question to you is: how do you think society should handle someone like this? Should he be locked away in prison or a mental hospital in order to protect society from the risk of being exposed to offensive words he might unintentionally say?

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Yes, I would physically confront and restrain someone who was racially abusing my girlfriend, no matter their condition.

You can't enable or excuse criminal behaviour because the perpetrator has a 'disability'.

 

[HRK69]

Yes, I would physically confront and restrain someone who was racially abusing my girlfriend, no matter their condition.

What if it's a crying toddler who learned the word from abusive parents? You're "restraining" them too?

 

[Teslerum]

Yes, I would physically confront and restrain someone who was racially abusing my girlfriend, no matter their condition.

And I'd get right in your face too if you are physically assaulting my friend because of his disability.

So, I guess we agree. Try me.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Yet, I'm the pathetic one with low intelligence? I'm the one who should be ashamed for defending innocent people?

 

[poodaddy]

This goes beyond obnoxious now, what he said is illegal to say in the UK, especially to poc in public.

I mean, my girlfriend is mixed race, if he shouted stuff like this at her I'd slap the shit out of him. Idgaf what condition he has.

I would hope that I would be there to turn you into a pretzel after you strike a disabled person for offending your sensibilities.

Weak.

 

[StueyDuck]

This a pathetic story...

The fact anyone is upset by this is absolutely damn pathetic.

So what if a paraplegic doesnt stand when the president walks in are we also all outraged.

Its a fucking word stop being so soft, you want me to believe you are some tough guy fighting vampires then dont act like a baby bitch in public

Hollywood is pathetic

 

[StueyDuck]

It hits WAY different being called that word maliciously by a white man than it being said by other black folks in a jovial or colloquial way.

Absolute bollocks.

All slurs were created with malicious intent. Just because white guilt makes Karen's feel sad doesnt mean the one slur is "more powerful".

The Irish were just as much slaves. In your logic its ok to call them a slur because its not as bad.

Silly logic (a slur is not just race)

 

[StueyDuck]

Yes, I would physically confront and restrain someone who was racially abusing my girlfriend, no matter their condition.

You can't enable or excuse criminal behaviour because the perpetrator has a 'disability'.

Would you allow or excuse predators that have their way with people because they are disabled and mentally ill? It's not their fault right? They can't control their impulses or behaviour right?
See where this type of thinking leads..?

Yet, I'm the pathetic one with low intelligence? I'm the one who should be ashamed for defending innocent people?

Criminal behavior

Sounds like you just want to attack people with a flimsy excuse.

Only on gaf will someone admit they'd beat up a disabled person because of some meanie doo doo words

You are pathetic if your response is to harm a disabled person

 

[DeafTourette]

To be fair, I don't think (many) other groups walk around calling themselves kikes, spics, gooks, wetbacks, guidos, wop, or whatnot but insist the term is reserved just for their own internal use. Justified or not, the widespread use of n-word variants within the black community, broadcast out in the music they make (that has achieved wide appeal) makes it seem kinda contradictory to both use it but vehemently react when others do so even when not actually directed at anyone. I certainly don't call folks "cracker", much less "redneck" but nor do I fly off the handle if someone uses it towards me, but I recognize 'fightin' words' when I hear them so these slurs are hopefully stored away in my vocabulary as I realize the reaction they can provoke. I'd propose that folks should make "nazi" the "white n-word" as that term has both HORRIBLE historical connotations and is thrown around uber-liberally to smear folks.

The history of that word is centuries old... So my ancestors were called that and they, in turn, called each other that because back then it wasn't a slur, it was a description or word for black people.

Eventually something changed and most of us wanted to be called negro or colored and the N-word was considered a racist slur... Especially because of the hard -er at the end (the soft -a said by black folks didn't carry the same vitriol)... It's not new that black folks " took back " the word ... It's always been with us.

Funny enough, I grew up not hearing the word in my house or in my neighborhood.

That's the difference between the N-word and other slurs.

 

[longrainwater]

Not according to my social media feeds

Those are mostly bots

 

[DeafTourette]

Those are mostly bots

They're people I actually know. Not random accounts I've never met.

 

[Bojji]

Very good video about this from YT creator, she covers a lot of hot takes and very sensible ones as well, this black girl with tourette is probably the most important voice (14:06):

 

[Sticks]

^Bird babble

 

[YCoCg]

stop being so soft, you want me to believe you are some tough guy fighting vampires then dont act like a baby bitch in public

Hollywood is pathetic

The actors didn't have a problem with the guy but with how BAFTA handled it.

Just because white guilt makes Karen's feel sad doesnt mean the one slur is "more powerful"

And you damn well know that's not true, there's a reason we say N-word, it's because of the weight of it, if you truly believe what you've said then you'd have no issue typing the word out in a post here.

 

[jason10mm]

And you damn well know that's not true, there's a reason we say N-word, it's because of the weight of it, if you truly believe what you've said then you'd have no issue typing the word out in a post here.

but you can't. The "n-word" has been granted special properties where any (non-black) person just saying/writing it, regardless of context, is grounds for cancellation. There is NO SITUATION where those six letters can come together in sequence without drama and reaction. Even words SIMILAR to it, like "niggling" or even the country Niger get backsplash.

Obviously the word is a terrible slur and shouldn't be used, unless you want to provoke a reaction. That's why it is a slur. But the frequent use of the n-word and it's -a sibling across 'gangsta culture' certainly keeps it in pop culture and the publics mind in ways that lots of other, equally terrible for their time, slurs have faded in usage and impact simply due to disuse. IMHO if the n-word is so hurtful then it shouldn't be used AT ALL, and certainly not in a "its fun and affectionate when WE say it to each other" manner because in a society of equality and color blindness, those types of "group secrets" are divisive and disruptive to the (supposed) goal of unity and acceptance.

 

[RJMacready73]

tbh John Davidson is a fucking legend and has no control over his tics, those two cunts on stage should suck it up along with all the butt hurt Americans, its fucking Tourettes ffs, its equal parts sad and hilarious as fuck

 

[StueyDuck]

The actors didn't have a problem with the guy but with how BAFTA handled it.



And you damn well know that's not true, there's a reason we say N-word, it's because of the weight of it, if you truly believe what you've said then you'd have no issue typing the word out in a post here.

So tell me how one slur is worse than another? Selective racism essentially.

Its a fallacy spawning from the US and their history.

There is plenty of terrible slurs aimed at people around the world from all sorts of historical context.

Either its all bad or it isnt. There is no such thing as "worse racism"

 

[calico]

And you damn well know that's not true, there's a reason we say N-word, it's because of the weight of it, if you truly believe what you've said then you'd have no issue typing the word out in a post here.

This only shows that the consequences for using it are more severe, not necessarily that they should be. If you make it a ban and/or prison time for saying any given word, people will refrain from using that word.

I heard an opinion from a black professor or some such on CNN (I think) a few years ago where he was saying how dumb he thought it was that people feel unable to use the word even just in the context of discussing its use, ie. non-maliciously. He was absolutely right.

The response to this incident has been quite fascinating, seeing some who felt themselves at the very top of the victimhood hierarchy -and therefore the most specially protected in any situation- come to realise that they actually may not be, and that deference to and inclusion of the disabled may have to take priority.

It is alarming how quickly some went to 'segregate the disabled' as a reasonable measure to avoid the risk of black people unintentionally having their feelings hurt. So much for inclusion I guess.

 

[John Bilbo]

I thought Voldemort was British

 

[YCoCg]

those two cunts on stage should suck it up

Again, the two on stage didn't have an issue with John but more towards how the BAFTAS handled it, including not editing out of the public broadcast which is why this has blown up even more. There was a few hours between the event and it being broadcasted.

 

[ThroatPie]

 

[DeafTourette]

I thought Voldemort was British

? Huh? LoL

 

[DeepEnigma]

but you can't. The "n-word" has been granted special properties where any (non-black) person just saying/writing it, regardless of context, is grounds for cancellation. There is NO SITUATION where those six letters can come together in sequence without drama and reaction. Even words SIMILAR to it, like "niggling" or even the country Niger get backsplash.

Obviously the word is a terrible slur and shouldn't be used, unless you want to provoke a reaction. That's why it is a slur. But the frequent use of the n-word and it's -a sibling across 'gangsta culture' certainly keeps it in pop culture and the publics mind in ways that lots of other, equally terrible for their time, slurs have faded in usage and impact simply due to disuse. IMHO if the n-word is so hurtful then it shouldn't be used AT ALL, and certainly not in a "its fun and affectionate when WE say it to each other" manner because in a society of equality and color blindness, those types of "group secrets" are divisive and disruptive to the (supposed) goal of unity and acceptance.

Nobody says it more hateful in current year, than when one black man is shooting another.

 

[RJMacready73]

Again, the two on stage didn't have an issue with John but more towards how the BAFTAS handled it, including not editing out of the public broadcast which is why this has blown up even more. There was a few hours between the event and it being broadcasted.

that's what we in show business call ahem..."Editorial Oversight" we'll let that one slide as it'll drum up a shit ton of controversy and conversation around the boring as fuck Baftas

 

[YCoCg]

that's what we in show business call ahem..."Editorial Oversight" we'll let that one slide as it'll drum up a shit ton of controversy and conversation around the boring as fuck Baftas

And that's what they're complaining about, using racism as a ratings boost.

 

[IDKFA]

I heard an opinion from a black professor or some such on CNN (I think) a few years ago where he was saying how dumb he thought it was that people feel unable to use the word even just in the context of discussing its use, ie. non-maliciously. He was absolutely right.

In the UK, if you're white and you use/type the word then you're getting arrested and taken to court for committing a hate crime, regardless of the context. Having Tourette syndrome would be one of the only exceptions.

 

[RJMacready73]

And that's what they're complaining about, using racism as a ratings boost.

That's not what i'm reading about Jamie Foxx & others, ill retract my statement from the two guys who were actually on stage, thats a legitimate beef

 

[YCoCg]

That's not what i'm reading about Jamie Foxx & others, ill retract my statement from the two guys who were actually on stage, thats a legitimate beef

People on social media polluting the discussion as usual. That's what I'm finding annoying about this is how the two on stage are catching strays as if they've said John is a racist and demanding he begs for forgiveness.

 

[Dithadder]

Elevating the n word from ethnic slur to the most evil, disgusting word in the english language is incredibly racist.

 

[RJMacready73]

In the UK, if you're white and you use/type the word then you're getting arrested and taken to court for committing a hate crime, regardless of the context. Having Tourette syndrome would be one of the only exceptions.

I caught a Whatsapp groupchat flash up on my sons (15) phone called Ni**erFreckers and went absolutely apeshit on him, turned out it was one of his friends from Nigeria was the one that fecking created the groupchat but still i got them change it and impressed upon him the fucking seriousness of having that spotted by someone in authority not to mention how bloody stupid it was.. kids fs

 

[RJMacready73]

People on social media polluting the discussion as usual. That's what I'm finding annoying about this is how the two on stage are catching strays as if they've said John is a racist and demanding he begs for forgiveness.

that's not what the man says, shows a complete lack of understanding of Tourettes, thinking our man Davidson has simply got a golden ticket

 

[DeepEnigma]

that's not what the man says, shows a complete lack of understanding of Tourettes, thinking our man Davidson has simply got a golden ticket

Bro hasn't been the same since they disappeared him and he came back.

From bringing Cali friends to conservative boat parties in Florida, disappeared, then comes back talking like a typical scripted far-left Hollywood radical.

I guess "ableism" is getting shoved down in the collectivism hierarchy, boys.

 

[RJMacready73]

As usual the Critical Drinkers take is 100% spot on

 

[calico]

I think the 'just edit it out' view glosses over the context.

They (celebrity wokesters, with whom the BBC is strongly aligned) were using the ceremony as an opportunity to slap themselves on the back for how inclusive and understanding they were being of this man's disability. To then immediately censor or attempt to hide the reality of that disability as soon as it made someone uncomfortable would rather undermine what they were ostensibly doing and would itself be controversial.

Their incoherent worldview and virtue signalling led them into a catch 22 situation which they could not win. Two of their contradictory views came into direct conflict with each other and one or the other was going to have to give way.

 

[John Bilbo]

I thought Voldemort was British

? Huh? LoL

My comment was about how saying the name Voldemort is socially unacceptable in the Harry Potter story. Instead they use euphemisms like "He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named". The terror that the name Voldemort strikes in people's heart grows more the longer they use the euphemisms in a similar fashion that in the US people are struck with terror the longer they use the euphemisms like the "n-word".

Thus I thought Voldemort was British and not from the US like the actors or people now offended.

This comment has nothing to do with the origins of those different words. It is a rhetorical comparison.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

A classic case of which group on the totem poll of special attention thinks they are more deserving. Just sit back and watch the fireworks. lol

 

[Toons]

As someone who's had tourettes my whole life,

Not touching this with a ten foot pole