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[timetokill]

The result on zeemumu was nothing. I still thought he was ordinary scum, and I wasn't too confident on any other suspects that day. So I just went with a gut read. Plus I figured doing it might get him to post.

As far as revealing your target, well, I did post that I tracked you last night... and I was going back and forth on whether to do it right away or not. I was pretty distracted because my boss called me in to meet the guy who manages our server and learn the ins and outs of the custom software he's written for the company. Since I've only been working there like 3 weeks I can't really refuse, even on a Saturday. But to tell the truth I thought I did post that it was L_P in the end.

However, now I'm glad I didn't. The reason why I usually don't say what I saw is what happened today. It let Lone_Prodigy expose himself with suspicious behavior.

 

[Never Forever]

time for an entry into Never Forever's WIFOM diaries

I'm just rolling an idea around in my head, Mazre's roleclaim might actually have been helpful after all

I'm a cop (no that's not the flavor name).

My checks were as follows-
N1 (catvoca) - Dusksoldier Town (sad trombone)
N2 - nin1000 Town (more on this in a second)
N3 - Timeaisis Town
N4 - salvapot Town

would scum Timeaisis, SalvaPot, and / or nin1000, knowing that Mazre was wrong about their alignment, feel the need to kill him? If they knew he was bullshitting then they wouldn't interpret him as a threat and would've let him be last night. Surely not killing him would let them continue to masquerade under the cover of being confirmed Town for as long as he continues the lie, although they would have been living at his mercy... I feel like this fact points towards them being less likely to be scum? Does anyone else have an opinion?

On the flipside, this means that those who weren't checked are more likely to be scum because scum had no clue whether he was right or not, and the threat of a standard alignment cop is fundamentally so great to scum at this stage that they decided to kill him.

...now that Mazre's flipped, I doubt a godfather would be a thing? It would be kinda bastard if Crab's role targeted a godfather, and I think that's the only town-not town checking role we have

and I'm now looking at Kyanrute's list, which is totally headfucking me. assuming he had two scum partners left, do we think both of them are on the list, or is it one and one? (the only ppl left not on the list are MattyG, nin1000 and Gorlak)

Pick 3 or 4:

Mazre
timetokill
SalvaPot
Zeemumu
Never Forever
Lone_Prodigy
Timeaisis

Mazre’s flip changes things obviously. If he is town, Salva should be removed from the list and ttk should be examined more then (or he should be examined no matter what, still silent about who he tracked last night). Zeemumu over Never Forever because NF is at least trying. LP and Time for the no read camp. The top 3 are hard to say without knowing if Mazre is for real or not.

he knew that Mazre was not scum and would probably flip Town, so going along with his plan makes timetokill the priority, which makes me more inclined to view timetokill positively? I seriously doubt scum would try to deliberately highlight one of their own partners, especially at this late stage.

the two names that stick out to me are Timeaisis and Lone_Prodigy, somewhat unhelpfully tacked on as being 'null reads', which feels a bit token and I'm not sure how to take their inclusion aside from if Kyan wriggled off the hook and felt the need to create distance for later

One wonders whether Kyanrute's role claim was intended to be a save or if he knew he was being bussed and it was just token 'what the hell may as well'? L_P unvoted after Kyanrute's roleclaim, purportedly to prevent a hammer, before going for it again at the end, so one wonders if the two thought this was good enough, Gafia Town being Gafia Town and likely to self-sabotage at the last second.

going to try to have faith in where my thoughts are taking me

VOTE: Lone_Prodigy

the convergence of numerous thoughts that I can't shake:
> wasn't checked by Mazre, would've potentially taken claim at face value
> 'no read' from Kyanrute rather than making a definite statement on his alignment, creating room to manoeuvre later
> sketchy voting weirdness: D1 on road to nowhere, D2 no vote, D3 the entire scum team wouldn't have jumped on Dragonz so went to her accuser instead, D4 was more contentious so had to pile on with Kyan to try to get rid of CB who was threatening to validate some townies, D5 unvoting Kyan post-role claim to avoid hammer jic
> today jumped the gun to discredit ttk
> has generally been dipping in and out

if not L_P, then MattyG is an equally viable prospect, and I feel like it's possible for the two to co-exist
> not checked by Mazre either
> completely unlisted by Kyanrute, allowing his name to stay out of discussion for longer
> sketchy behaviour generally, only showed up yesterday to defend himself then a token 'ooh hate to bandwagon' vote on Kyan before skulking back into hiding, not exactly great
> record: D1 throwaway vote, D2 no vote, D3 Dragonz bandwagon, D4 on opposite side to Kyanrute to balance scales, D5 bandwagons on Kyanrute and leaves
> trying to play completely UTR, never as inactive as the two who were modkilled and staying in just enough to appear participatory but never actually staking a claim

I feel as confident as I can at this stage that at least one of them is scum, I think that L_P is more likely but I would feel best with either today

 

[nin1000]

time for an entry into Never Forever's WIFOM diaries

I'm just rolling an idea around in my head, Mazre's roleclaim might actually have been helpful after all



would scum Timeaisis, SalvaPot, and / or nin1000, knowing that Mazre was wrong about their alignment, feel the need to kill him? If they knew he was bullshitting then they wouldn't interpret him as a threat and would've let him be last night. Surely not killing him would let them continue to masquerade under the cover of being confirmed Town for as long as he continues the lie, although they would have been living at his mercy... I feel like this fact points towards them being less likely to be scum? Does anyone else have an opinion?

On the flipside, this means that those who weren't checked are more likely to be scum because scum had no clue whether he was right or not, and the threat of a standard alignment cop is fundamentally so great to scum at this stage that they decided to kill him.

...now that Mazre's flipped, I doubt a godfather would be a thing? It would be kinda bastard if Crab's role targeted a godfather, and I think that's the only town-not town checking role we have

and I'm now looking at Kyanrute's list, which is totally headfucking me. assuming he had two scum partners left, do we think both of them are on the list, or is it one and one? (the only ppl left not on the list are MattyG, nin1000 and Gorlak)



he knew that Mazre was not scum and would probably flip Town, so going along with his plan makes timetokill the priority, which makes me more inclined to view timetokill positively? I seriously doubt scum would try to deliberately highlight one of their own partners, especially at this late stage.

the two names that stick out to me are Timeaisis and Lone_Prodigy, somewhat unhelpfully tacked on as being 'null reads', which feels a bit token and I'm not sure how to take their inclusion aside from if Kyan wriggled off the hook and felt the need to create distance for later

One wonders whether Kyanrute's role claim was intended to be a save or if he knew he was being bussed and it was just token 'what the hell may as well'? L_P unvoted after Kyanrute's roleclaim, purportedly to prevent a hammer, before going for it again at the end, so one wonders if the two thought this was good enough, Gafia Town being Gafia Town and likely to self-sabotage at the last second.

going to try to have faith in where my thoughts are taking me

VOTE: Lone_Prodigy

the convergence of numerous thoughts that I can't shake:
> wasn't checked by Mazre, would've potentially taken claim at face value
> 'no read' from Kyanrute rather than making a definite statement on his alignment, creating room to manoeuvre later
> sketchy voting weirdness: D1 on road to nowhere, D2 no vote, D3 the entire scum team wouldn't have jumped on Dragonz so went to her accuser instead, D4 was more contentious so had to pile on with Kyan to try to get rid of CB who was threatening to validate some townies, D5 unvoting Kyan post-role claim to avoid hammer jic
> today jumped the gun to discredit ttk
> has generally been dipping in and out

if not L_P, then MattyG is an equally viable prospect, and I feel like it's possible for the two to co-exist
> not checked by Mazre either
> completely unlisted by Kyanrute, allowing his name to stay out of discussion for longer
> sketchy behaviour generally, only showed up yesterday to defend himself then a token 'ooh hate to bandwagon' vote on Kyan before skulking back into hiding, not exactly great
> record: D1 throwaway vote, D2 no vote, D3 Dragonz bandwagon, D4 on opposite side to Kyanrute to balance scales, D5 bandwagons on Kyanrute and leaves
> trying to play completely UTR, never as inactive as the two who were modkilled and staying in just enough to appear participatory but never actually staking a claim

I feel as confident as I can at this stage that at least one of them is scum, I think that L_P is more likely but I would feel best with either today

That is a great contribution NF.

I feel sad that we could not share more time together. But let me tell you this

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Upon further thought, timetokill likely isn't scum. Tracking Gorlak wasn't a good move, but he wouldn't have done it if he was a scum tracker: his teammate would've talked him out of it.

But then again, his only other viable options last night were MattyG, NF, and zeemumu. zeemumu was modkilled last night for inactivity. Matty and NF weren't checked by Mazre. If he checked one of them, he would've had a very good chance of tracking the scum killer. I'm a little puzzled by why he didn't.

Anyway, he's dead tonight.

8 left.

timetokill - town tracker
Gorlak - town drink giver
Timeaisis - vanilla
nin1000 - vanilla
Salva - vanilla
L_P - ordinary town
MattyG - ???
Never Forever - ???

Mazre had pretty much three options last night: Matty, NF, and me. Scum could've left him alive to discredit his claim, but like I said with TTK above, he had a good chance of hitting scum. So he had to die.

Mafia already had a goon; I highly doubt they had two. 23 players, 4 + lost partner, scum would need more power roles, especially since town had a 1-shot cop, 1-shot vig, tracker, vanilla cop, and doc. So we can rule out Godfather and pretty much clear Timeaisis, nin1000, and Salva.

So 2 scum left out of me, MattyG, and Never Forever.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

I joined as a replacement in Day 2. So I couldn't vote Day 1, and wasn't caught up yet in Day 2 to vote.

Day 3, I'll take the L on that one: didn't have a previous opinion on WAMD so I just treated it as a thunderdome.

Day 4, CB was a dangerous neutral, and I felt Gorlak was town. Not much more I can say about that.

Day 5, Kyan was dead whether I hammered or voted elsewhere. Delaying a hammer is a courtesy for last-minute posts.

VOTE: MattyG

Or NF, whatever.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Pick 3 or 4:

Mazre
timetokill
SalvaPot
Zeemumu
Never Forever
Lone_Prodigy
Timeaisis

Mazre’s flip changes things obviously. If he is town, Salva should be removed from the list and ttk should be examined more then (or he should be examined no matter what, still silent about who he tracked last night). Zeemumu over Never Forever because NF is at least trying. LP and Time for the no read camp. The top 3 are hard to say without knowing if Mazre is for real or not.

Cast doubt on Mazre? Check.

Big suspect list when the player list is dwindling? Check.

Omit one teammate, preferably the one who's been more of a presence all game (MattyG)? Check.

Include one teammate, but subtly make them look good (compare him to an inactive) (Never Forever)? Check.

Make other town look suspicious (Time and me, I already addressed the null read on Time)? Check.

 

[nin1000]

VOTE: MattyG

Or NF, whatever.

 

[MattyG]

Oh shit, I thought I posted it. Sorry I was on mobile earlier.

He did something to Lone_Prodigy.

I honestly can't remember, do we have a claim from Gorlak?

 

[MattyG]

Wait, wasn't Gorlak handing out drinks? I'm trying to find the post, but I can't.

if not L_P, then MattyG is an equally viable prospect, and I feel like it's possible for the two to co-exist
> not checked by Mazre either
> completely unlisted by Kyanrute, allowing his name to stay out of discussion for longer
> sketchy behaviour generally, only showed up yesterday to defend himself then a token 'ooh hate to bandwagon' vote on Kyan before skulking back into hiding, not exactly great
> record: D1 throwaway vote, D2 no vote, D3 Dragonz bandwagon, D4 on opposite side to Kyanrute to balance scales, D5 bandwagons on Kyanrute and leaves
> trying to play completely UTR, never as inactive as the two who were modkilled and staying in just enough to appear participatory but never actually staking a claim

I feel as confident as I can at this stage that at least one of them is scum, I think that L_P is more likely but I would feel best with either today

Great post, NF.

To address my voting record:
-D1, I had no idea who to vote for, as did a lot of people. I jokingly voted for nin (I think that's who it was) is "retaliation" and forgot to cast a real vote.
-D2 was entirely my fault. I checked back in to settle my vote an hour after the day ended because I forgot how much time was left.
-D3, I don't see how I was bandwagoning Dragonz. As I've said multiple times before, I was suspicious of her and voiced that suspicion for quite a bit before I voted for her.
-D5, as for the Kyanrute bandwagon, yeah it was a bandwagon, but it was because he was obviously scum. Would you rather I vote for someone else just so I don't look like I'm bandwagoning?

VOTE: MattyG

Or NF, whatever.

So you're saying that one of us 3 is scum, and it's obviously not you, no no NO, so it's either me (who I guess might as well reveal my role right now - Ordinary Drunk) or NF, who just made a very helpful and pro-town post? Nah, sorry.

Vote: Lone_Prodigy

 

[Gorlak]

Drinks are harmless. Why would I hide it?

This almost bottles it and you know it. You willingly denied ttk a chance to announce my target, don't act like that is no big deal. You wouldn't do this by accident, you're scum.

 

[Gorlak]

Matty you are so out of the loop this is incredible. Again you swing by to defend yourself and join a bandwagon because someone is supicious of you. I don't get what you are playing. Care to give a readlist?

 

[Gorlak]

Dragonz, did you get to scum with me like you wanted?

Unfortunately, no. Our engagement is over and my heart is broken.

Just gonna drink my sorrows away

Look at these clowns making fun of us. (day1)

lol

 

[Gorlak]

Hey, here we might have something useful from Day1.

so why is batsnacks' vote still on MattyG yet he hasn't mentioned him since his vote soon after the game started

It will be helpful later if MattyG flips mafia. It's small but it's better than the nothing I'd be accomplishing by not voting on a hunch this early. This is just sort of how I play.

we should test this theory today

Why Matty? He's done nothing to trigger my scum radar, outside of a bland and vague first post

Early hunches usually don't last 3 days. Still... a very early MattyG hunch will stick with me for the rest of the game, so it can be useful later.

 

[Gorlak]

To be honest I'm a bit demotivated because we were robbed of a whole mislynch...
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I disagree with LP's logic. He mentioned scum chat activity before, he revealed the drink early. Now he's piling on an inactive player who looks like he doesn't follow the game closely. Would vote, but we are already at 3/5.

Matty himself posted very little over the course of the game and repeadetly popped up to defend his behaviour and omgus vote someone (even day 1 vote on ouro was like this without any reasons...). I don't know what to think of bats first vote, useful later as in diverting attention?

NF tries to pick up and leads everyone in a certain direction. I think it's a bit of a gap to assume that every vanilla has to be town because Mazre died. All scum knew was his cop claim and that he could reveal his "real" results any time or find the next scum. Retroid played odd as well and became very inactive, can't read him.

From PR standpoint I think it's more likely to have another goon in the game than not. My real problem is timetokill. He went against dragonz, fine. His results seem to be convenient. LP not moving N3, was the only one he revealed by himself and not after the fact was already known. His reasoning for watching me also seems shaky, but than again I advocated this idea. On Day 2 he was close to be lynched and two confirmed scum were sitting on his lynch. Did they already try to bus him? I don't know, it seems unlikely... but 1 shot alignment cop, vanilla cop and tracker? Not to forget our doctor. We had two killing neutral powers.
Scum so far had a goon, lost brother and a BP-shitposter. I think it's safe to say there is no roleblocker.
Eh, Ninja? That would balance out the tracker pretty good? A not so drunk ninja could light-foodedly kill people at night? That's something I can see as possible. Hm. Again I can't make up my mind about him. The Zeemumu vote looks bad especially with his knowledge of night actions...

Kyan was adamant there is scum on the Ouro lynch, which might or might not be the case, there are NF, Salva and Matty left from this side.

Salva throws around every thought that comes to his minds, he can't be put in any category, he had his fun this game but failed to contribute anything helpful.

Timeaisis' inactivity at this point is a huge scumtell, if it wasn't for RL stuff... His play was similar to bats and I can't shake off that initial doubt.

Nin1000 feels way too confident about his play. But at this point they can't all be scum... I'm willing to put my doubt on him to rest, declare him as town and lose the game if this isn't the case. The fact that he claimed ordinary once Mazre questioned him is his huge advantage.

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After all I have very shaky reads on everyone. I'll be damned if one of LP and TTK isn't scum. LP's play is similar to every performance I've seen of him. The Day 4 vote on Corn together with bats and kyan is another clue against him. Both Kyan and LP were in favour of me because I town-read them. Kyan said himself scum was hoping to get rid of corn by vote not NK.

I can see LP as scum.

Also his latest behaviour has this slight panicking touch to it. Let's go vote TTK, he must be scum. Oh no, he probably isn't, Let's go vote MattyG, or like NF whatever. This isn't town LP.
Additionally this post:

Start a bandwagon, Gorlak. I'll follow you (unless it's on me).

is very weak and something town LP wouldn't write.

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Nevertheless would you give me a readlist LP? Who do you see as town? Do you really think the last scum is NF and Matty? That's all? Because vanilla can't be scum?

 

[Gorlak]

As soon as I wake up, it's 23:49 mate.

Es ist spät wir sehen uns morgen :*

Quick reminder nin, you owe me something.

 

[nin1000]

Quick reminder nin, you owe me something.

L_P : Probably scum. Matty G probably scum. NF Probably scum. Gorlak Idiot.

 

[nin1000]

Hello There

 

[Gorlak]

Let's have a look at the votes, biggest lynch of the day (2-5)

Ouro: Retroid, Salva, TTK
Dragonz: Timeaisis, Matty, TTK
Gorlak: Salva, Timeaisis, Matty, Retroid, TTK
Kyan: Gorlak, Nin, Matty, NF, TTK

can someone point me to the bandwagoner in here please...

...

Nin, you're scum aren't you?

 

[Gorlak]

Hey Nin, wanna end the day early? Turbo LP?

 

[nin1000]

Nin, you're scum aren't you?

No, I am not

 

[nin1000]

Hey Nin, wanna end the day early? Turbo LP?

we are currently at 3/5.
With my vote it will be risen to 4/5.

you will have to do us the honor and end it.

Vote: Lone_Prodigy

 

[Gorlak]

Hm... didn't Kyan write something along the lines that Timeaisis is probably town because he started the vote against Dragonz D3?

The same lynch scum bats and scum Kyan supported very quickly?

 

[Gorlak]

we are currently at 3/5.
With my vote it will be risen to 4/5.

you will have to do us the honor and end it.

Vote: Lone_Prodigy

Even though I proposed it, I think it's a bit unfair since neither Timeaisis nor Salvapot managed to write something to this point. Also I'd like to see some more squirming by LP

 

[nin1000]

Even though I proposed it, I think it's a bit unfair since neither Timeaisis nor Salvapot managed to write something to this point. Also I'd like to see some more squirming by LP

do as you wish

 

[Gorlak]

man nin

you act like you don't care.

you hopped onto so many lynches without hesitation throughout the entire game, it's hard to grasp you... at day start you were eager to lynch ttk, now it's lp or those other two. you very often lacked reasons and voted just because. I don't know what to think!

We haven't finished 48 hours and already are on a majority. Two players are MIA and didn't even participate, is this lynch influenced by scum? Do they want us to lynch LP? ...

I want to lynch LP, but at the very least let everyone should have a say in this matter. I'd still like to hear a claim from NF for instance.

 

[nin1000]

man nin

you act like you don't care.

you hopped onto so many lynches without hesitation throughout the entire game, it's hard to grasp you... at day start you were eager to lynch ttk, now it's lp or those other two. you very often lacked reasons and voted just because. I don't know what to think!

We haven't finished 48 hours and already are on a majority. Two players are MIA and didn't even participate, is this lynch influenced by scum? Do they want us to lynch LP? ...

I want to lynch LP, but at the very least let everyone should have a say in this matter. I'd still like to hear a claim from NF for instance.

ok ok i get ya.

UNVOTE

 

[nin1000]

 

[nin1000]

 

[nin1000]

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Honestly, this has been a low effort game from me. I haven't given this thread much attention and have been posting the first thing that comes to mind. That makes me look scummy but I wouldn't nearly be this candid if I was actually scum. My posts would be more thorough and like Never Forever's.

Occam's Razor. Assume the cop is right, vote out the unchecked. I doubt we have any power roles left. That's my read list.

And Gorlak, you always scum read me. Harry Potter, anyone? Metal Gear seemed like so long ago.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

This almost bottles it and you know it. You willingly denied ttk a chance to announce my target, don't act like that is no big deal. You wouldn't do this by accident, you're scum.

Bit of metagaming here. I've read scum chats. When they get items they discuss what to do. I saw no reason to not disclose. We're still suspicious of timetokill? If we are, then sorry? He seems town to me. Really wish he tracked someone else last night though.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Not panicking, but figured I might as well do something before I died. Can't coast the whole game.

 

[Timeaisis]

OK guys I'm back. Gonna read the thread, but can someone give me the highlights?

 

[nin1000]

UNVOTE

ok timeaisis, time to give us some insight in your head.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

timetokill - town tracker
Lone_Prodigy - town ordinary
Gorlak - town drink-giver
Never Forever - ???
MattyG - ???
SalvaPot - town ordinary
nin1000 - town ordinary
Timeaisis - town ordinary

Mazre - vanilla cop, checked nin, Timeaisis, Salva (all vanilla)
tomakasatnav - town ordinary
Wherearemahdragonz - mafia goon
Kyanrute - mafia BP
Crab - town 1-shot day cop
Zeemumu - town ordinary
Dusk Soldier - town ordinary
TheExodu5 - town doctor
Ourobolus - town ordinary
batsnacks - mafia lost partner, mason
AbsolutBro - town ordinary
Barrylocke - town 1-shot vig, mason
*Splinter - town ordinary
kingkitty - town jailer

CornBurrito - neutral arsonist

Town (17)
Vanilla cop
1-shot day cop
Doctor
1-shot vig
Jailer
Tracker
Drink-giver
Ordinary (10)

Mafia (5)
BP
Goon
Lost partner
???
???

Neutral (1)
Arsonist

Ratios and numbers seem about right.

 

[MattyG]

Matty you are so out of the loop this is incredible. Again you swing by to defend yourself and join a bandwagon because someone is supicious of you. I don't get what you are playing. Care to give a readlist?

There's a couple specific posts from way back I have to find before I say anything (hopefully I can), but I'll try. I've gotta shower real quick and then I'll buckle down and try to redeem myself for my poor performance this game with some good reads.

I want to lynch LP, but at the very least let everyone should have a say in this matter. I'd still like to hear a claim from NF for instance.

This is fair I guess.

Unvote

 

[Never Forever]

I'd still like to hear a claim from NF for instance.

mathematically, if you think there are two scum PRs left then based on all the evidence accrued to this point what we have left is me, MattyG and L_P, if everyone is agreed that ttk and Gorlak's claims are true

one scum PR and one goon opens up the floor to the other three (Salva, Time and nin) who were checked by Mazre and were confirmed vanilla

but you'll definitely hit one scum in the me, L_P and MattyG pool, there's definitely at least one scum PR left

 

[Timeaisis]

OK, I've read what's happened, but I did so quickly. So if I missed something or am just wrong, call me out on it.

I'll just say this now because I haven't "officially" claimed yet, but I'm an ordinary town. Which, by my calculations, would make Salva and nin ordinary townies too because of the cop investigation. Unless there's some shenanigans going on or I'm missing something obvious.

timetokill - town tracker
Gorlak - town drink giver
Timeaisis - ordinary town
nin1000 - ordinary town
Salva - ordinary town
L_P - ordinary town
MattyG - ???
Never Forever - ???

I would say that's a whole lot of ordinaries, but we have had a bunch of PR deaths, so it's not completely crazy.

TTK has proven that he has the tracker role, but his alignment is not for certain. MattyG and NF have not claimed, and LP seems to be "unconfirmed" ordinary town.

So, I'd have to say my top suspects in order would be LP, MattyG, then NF. But that's mostly because Matty and NF have not claimed yet. Which in and of itself is OK, but we are only 8 people left and I think a mass claim at this point is probably the best way to suss out who is lying.

 

[MattyG]

Here are my more prominent reads. Let me know if I missed anyone that I should take a look at.

Lone_Prodigy:

This vote is too easy for scum to jump on.

VOTE: timetokill

Nah, if I'm scum I'm killing the town tracker (TTK) tonight. A neutral with a bunch of variables isn't worth killing.

My vote stays.

These few posts stood out to me. The first, he refuses to vote for WAMD who, at that point, was pretty clearly scum. The justification was that it was "too easy for scum to bandwagon", but at that point, at least for me, I can't see there really being much doubt in WAMD's guilt.

The second is something I saw Lone doing a lot across all his posts: projecting scum moves. Now, this isn't anything super concrete, but from the the way it's worded it almost feels like setting us up with expectations of scum actions to then subvert them with his behind the scenes actions as a scum. He's the only player I've seen who frequently would say "well if I were scum", and from the few times I saw, what he "would've done" didn't come to pass. Kind of reaching and I'm not going to put a whole lot of weight into it, but it's something to think about.

The big thing right now, at least according to Gorlak (who I trust) seems to be the drink giving thing. This is super odd, especially since we know that its whole purpose is to throw off the tracker. However, I can see it being a case of "oh, this doesn't mean anything". Admittedly though, I'm trying to read through old posts and figure out the minutiae of how the tracker and the Captn Morgan rep work, because I'm not sure I'm fully understanding why this makes Gorlak so suspicious.

Then there's NF's post, which posits that the scum is one of three people: Timeaisis, L_P, or me. I don't expect people to believe me, but I know that I am an Ordinary Drunk, so that leaves Time and L_P. Time is a solid possibility, but due to his relative inactivity I can't really get a read. I do believe NF is right in believeing that one of us 3 is scum though, so at this point I'm really thinking it's L_P first, and if not him then Time (though I know that if L_P is lynched and isn't, I will be under the gun next).

Read: Scum


Timetokill: Now, my opinion on TTK has changed, I think. I used to be full on "what's the harm in letting him live?" And while he did hand us 1 scum and help to vote for another, I believe that there were already people suspicious of WAMDs. I could be misremembering the order, but WAMD had already claimed and gathered quite a bit of suspicion because of her rambling and inconsistencies before TTK brought out his evidence, so it's not like he singlehandedly gave us a scum. And the vote for Kyan happened when he was basically already dead.

batsnacks and I are definitely not scum

I checked

Then there's this post. You know who turned out to be scum? Yup. Now, this could be a failing of the role, because bats may not have had anything that the tracker would've picked up, but at the same time it really makes me lose a lot of faith in TTK. Super cavalier and confident "nope, not scum" claim that ended up being completely wrong. It sticks out as way different to another post where he says he tracked someone but it "doesn't prove much."

Oh and PS Lone_Prodigy didn't go anywhere two nights ago. Of course one night doesn't prove much, he could still be scum, but still.

Super confident and 100% about a (now) proven scum (and himself), but hesitant about someone whose alignment is still unknown to us. I'm not saying that he's scum, but it certainly makes me wonder what he may not have told us about his role.

Read: Probably neutral, maybe with a scum slant to his role.


Gorlak: I believe Gorlak simply because his role is easily verifiable (I believe we've already been through this). That and his posts have been very thorough and pro-town. I doubted him a few days back, but after the CB lynch he has my axe.

Read: Town


Never Forever: Since NF just joined us recently, I'll go off of their recent performance. I really have no reason to doubt them as of right now. Helpful posts with solid reasoning, not the kind of effort that a scum replacement would put in.

Read: Town


nin: Nin has been the weird one this game, because he started out very talkative and helpful before seeming to become much more all over the place and almost chaotic with his posts/votes. I'd like to be able to chalk this up to being frustrated with the way the game turned out (inactivity, difficulty getting reads because of it), but I don't know. I'll just post the most recent example:

L_P : Probably scum. Matty G probably scum. NF Probably scum. Gorlak Idiot.

It reads like either a very experienced townie who is frustrated with his teammates, or a fed up scum just fucking around.

Read: Could go either way, but I'm leaning scum.


Let me know if I missed anything and let me know if my logic is flawed anywhere. I'm sure there's stuff I didn't take into account that would change some things, and I'm willing to change my reads if they're pointed out to me. I'll be here pretty much all day for discussion.

 

[nin1000]

nin: Nin has been the weird one this game, because he started out very talkative and helpful before seeming to become much more all over the place and almost chaotic with his posts/votes. I'd like to be able to chalk this up to being frustrated with the way the game turned out (inactivity, difficulty getting reads because of it), but I don't know. I'll just post the most recent example:



It reads like either a very experienced townie who is frustrated with his teammates

Those reads were spot in Matty. I will have to hand it to you

 

[MattyG]

Those reads were spot in Matty. I will have to hand it to you

Nin to me and the rest of town

Spoiler

IF HE ISN'T SCUM

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Matty you're doing it all wrong. If I were scum (oops there I go again) I'd be bussing NF hard because it doesn't look good for the two of you. All you can do is discredit TTK and convince us that there's another mafia goon that escaped Mazre's checks. But unfortunately TTK is not getting voted out today so you'll have to kill him tonight so he doesn't successfully track one of you.

As for the mafia goon scenario, town is pretty strong in this game. batsnacks is a lost partner but he's basically another goon with no other power. The only thing I can't be arsed to figure out is what your powers are. Watcher? Roleblocker? Mafia cop? Who knows? Unless it's another kill in which case gg scum no re, I don't care.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

mathematically, if you think there are two scum PRs left then based on all the evidence accrued to this point what we have left is me, MattyG and L_P, if everyone is agreed that ttk and Gorlak's claims are true

one scum PR and one goon opens up the floor to the other three (Salva, Time and nin) who were checked by Mazre and were confirmed vanilla

but you'll definitely hit one scum in the me, L_P and MattyG pool, there's definitely at least one scum PR left

Writing on the wall, eh? Subtle digs at TTK and Gorlak's validity (one gave us WAMD, one gave us Kyan, call a spade a spade. They're town.)

Quick reminder that there may be a goon so the other ordinaries don't check out.

Admits that out of me, NF, and Matty, there's one scum there. whynotboth.gif

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Oh I forgot we had another 24 hours. But good on Matty and NF to jump in early with claims and votes when they saw me claim. They don't want a repeat Kyan, where a late claim/defence cost him.

Since we need 5 for majority and they make up 2/5, I'll need 2 other people to vote with me to get ahead of their votes.

Assume I get voted out, that makes 7.

Scum kills TTK tonight, making it 6.

Matty and NF pick each other and someone else as the other scum member. All they need is someone else to vote for anyone except them, and they can get 3 votes on them. If activity proceeds as normal (i.e. not at all), they can probably force a tie or even vote that other person out.

Tie, 6 left, they kill someone and it's down to 5, with 3 for majority. Any stray vote is hammered. Scum wins.

Non-scum vote, 5 left, scum kills someone to get to 4 the next day and win.

So while we won't lose if I die, it'll be pretty close. Just don't toss your votes around willy-nilly tomorrow.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Oh we can do this.

List who you think the last 2 scum are. I'll start.

L_P: Matty, NF
TTK:
Gorlak:
Time:
nin:
Salva:
Matty:
NF:

I'm curious to see who you pick (besides me, of course).

 

[SalvaPot]

My gut has been incredibly off-target in this game, so I am not feeling myself right now.

 

[cabot]

VOTE TALLY:

timetokill (0)
gorlak 2629 (2634)
nin1000 2632 (2635)

lone_prodigy (2)
timetokill 2647
never forever 2652
mattyg 2659 (2686)
nin1000 2671 (2676)

mattyg (1)
lone_prodigy 2655

5 votes for majoirty.


DAY 6 ENDS:

 

[MattyG]

Alright, well everyone's had enough time to voice their opinions now and I don't know if I'll be around for the end of the day.

Vote:lone_prodigy

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Alright, well everyone's had enough time to voice their opinions now and I don't know if I'll be around for the end of the day.

Vote:lone_prodigy

Cute.

VOTE: Never Forever

 

[Gorlak]

My gut has been incredibly off-target in this game, so I am not feeling myself right now.

Thank you Salva, you've been a great help all game.