Batman [Mafia] |OT| The mafia game Gafia deserves , but not the one it needs

LaunchpadMcQ said:
Ok. Am I completely reading into this too much or is the clue grounded in information from where Asami hails? :|
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Hahaha, no no, everything is 100% grounded in our little gafia community. If he had linked a clue to FFXIV somehow then I would 100% call foul on that.
 
Sorian said:
This is what I've been saying for awhile now (without the Monty Hall problem mixed in but you're right that it's a good way to explain it). I'm also well aware that I am one of the bolded names.

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This Mazre lynch is growing because of the policy aspects of it I'm assuming? I doubt he is scum still. [...]
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...am I reading it completely wrong or does this imply you suspect Karu?
 
weemadarthur said:
Day 1 doctor lynch
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Meh, since all subtly was lost anyway the second Xam quoted that completely.

Xamtheking said:
Clue 2: Once, I was a five-headed dragon who liked to kill people.
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UltraJay was my SK friend from Night Vale. "Once" he was this but then clue 1 was the final fantasy game. UltraJay was the doctor (a miller doctor actually) in FF.

Xam is claiming doctor.

Since Xam isn't going to stay subtle about it and has no put so much info out there that I'm sure someone on scum team can figure it out, might as well just spell it out for everyone.
 
I protected Karkador night 1
Even though I had a burning hatred against him inside
Now it's not burning and has been reduced to just an annoyance
 
Well, I obviously didn't get the FF reference but you should have probably waited a bit before revealing it all :P Sorian was already willing to vote for someone else, so yeah, that was maybe a bit too premature, although you could've handled pressure better if you have that significant of a PR.

Alternative view: He might be scum fishing for a doctor counter claim?

Leaving vote on Trigger for now, I want to see which way the vote swings without my super-godly-towny influence amongst the more popular lynch alternatives.
 
I would assume with all the fucking Robins, that Cammy wouldn't have the balls to start off as Jason Robin if it weren't true.

At this point, I'm going to guess there's a Nightwing, Robin/Red Hood, Red Robin, and Robin.
 
Sorian said:
Why would no town PR want to touch that? He is claiming bulletproof or something bad happening if he is killed. How does that scare away normal PRs like roleblocks or investigations?
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Does this sound like a simple bulletproof?

Camjo-Z said:
OVERRIDE: Flame_AC

WOW! TALK ABOUT A REVERSAL!

Protective roles stay off me, doubting vigilantes take a shot at their own risk. Mafia come get some.
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And no. Your "strong case" came way after I had already been asking questions about the choice of Sky as the NK and linking it back to his status as bolded on the bat computer. You can pretend that I'm cautiously acknowledging it for damage control but the truth of the matter is that I brought that up well before you started making cases around the computer today.
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Ehh, I'm not sure how you're going to claim ownership of this point when I set the trap to begin with, and I was already trying to acknowledge the weirdness of SkyOdin getting killed before getting sidetracked with your filibustering.

It also sounded like you yourself were trying to get your feelers out with the proposition of a second killer, or use it to try to make me look bad by suggesting it's more likely that I'm scum. You weren't presenting it like Monty Hall's Door.

This is now like the third time that you've suddenly flipped on a topic when it's not in your best interest to disagree.
 
LaunchpadMcQ said:
I would assume with all the fucking Robins, that Cammy wouldn't have the balls to start off as Jason Robin if it weren't true.

At this point, I'm going to guess there's a Nightwing, Robin/Red Hood, Red Robin, and Robin.
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I feel like at least one of those would be fake claim for scum.
 
Karkador said:
Does this sound like a simple bulletproof?





Ehh, I'm not sure how you're going to claim ownership of this point when I set the trap to begin with, and I was already trying to acknowledge the weirdness of SkyOdin getting killed before getting sidetracked with your filibustering.

It also sounded like you yourself were trying to get your feelers out with the proposition of a second killer, or use it to try to make me look bad by suggesting it's more likely that I'm scum. You weren't presenting it like Monty Hall's Door.

This is now like the third time that you've suddenly flipped on a topic when it's not in your best interest to disagree.
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No that doesn't sound like a simple bulletproof but then the full claim from today does. If his intention is to fuck with scum then that all seems to line up to me.

Sure, you set the trap (which I'm sure you will claim as the intent the entire time and not at all luck :P). The first thing you link to me is not you acknowledging the weirdness in Sky getting killed. It's the weirdness of you being scum and Sky being the target. You are defending yourself, not making a case on why scum targeted Sky.

And yes, I was trying to get my feelers out with the proposition of a second killer. I was trying to find a stronger case for Karu, his possible slip up on day one points to him knowing that two kills should have happened and they didn't, I'm keeping my mind open to that point because without a second killer, Karu is still suspicious but a lot less so. The last thing you quote is me looking at both sides. My stance is still the same, either you are scum or someone from the bolded is scum. I highly doubt both of these is true but I very much think one of them is true.

So please, tell me where I flipped on this topic? I've been quite clear with how I've felt on all of this.
 
LaunchpadMcQ said:
I'm curious how Dick fits as the doctor, tho
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You see what I do is I start beating someone up every night
And then when scum comes to try to kill the person scum goes like "oh I'm sorry we won't kill this dude because you already have made your claim on this person" and then scum goes away
Sometimes I think strange shit
 
Xamtheking said:
Originally I hoped to keep it lowkey
But then the Hypocrisy King Launch (pushing someone for information makes you scum, right?) threatened to blow my cover or something
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Yes. What I knew was incorrect anyway.

weemadarthur said:
I imply you're a scum name cop.

You reply with unrelated joke.
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Oh, I missed that. I'm just guessing. If my avatar didn't give it away, I like Dick.

weemadarthur said:
Flavor is not a good argument. A writer adapts.

Await original mid season game with flavor by Wee, you will learn or lose. LELO.
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Just curious m8
 
Sorian said:
Sure, you set the trap (which I'm sure you will claim as the intent the entire time and not at all luck :P). The first thing you link to me is not you acknowledging the weirdness in Sky getting killed. It's the weirdness of you being scum and Sky being the target. You are defending yourself, not making a case on why scum targeted Sky.
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Nah, there wasn't anything there to defend against. It was me illuminating what sounded like a bad, illogical theory. If the point of the SkyOdin kill was to discredit me and my list, why would I have done that as a scum player? I know I do some odd things, but that would be a bad move.

And yes, I was trying to get my feelers out with the proposition of a second killer. I was trying to find a stronger case for Karu, his possible slip up on day one points to him knowing that two kills should have happened and they didn't, I'm keeping my mind open to that point because without a second killer, Karu is still suspicious but a lot less so. The last thing you quote is me looking at both sides. My stance is still the same, either you are scum or someone from the bolded is scum. I highly doubt both of these is true but I very much think one of them is true.
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I invite you to find a second killer. I also invite you to realize I'm not the scum player in this scenario at all.

So please, tell me where I flipped on this topic? I've been quite clear with how I've felt on all of this.
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This would be too much effort to read through all your posts and quote all the instances. The Sorian Strategy. I know it from how hard we've argued back and forth, just to find that you've reversed your position. Probably nobody else is really paying attention to our arguments, so maybe that's why nobody has really pointed it out. The Sorian Strategy.
 
VOTE: Mazre

Ok, I'm going to explain this vote. It's not because I think Mazre is scummy. I don't really see it. However, I don't want to invite uncertainty into the equation if anyone wants to follow through on my play. I'll put my vote here, give Mazre a clear lead, and if anyone wants to vote for Camjo they can do so safely.

As it stands, my ability will have a good outcome. I think.
 
Karkador said:
Nah, there wasn't anything there to defend against. It was me illuminating what sounded like a bad, illogical theory. If the point of the SkyOdin kill was to discredit me and my list, why would I have done that as a scum player? I know I do some odd things, but that would be a bad move.

I invite you to find a second killer. I also invite you to realize I'm not the scum player in this scenario at all.

This would be too much effort to read through all your posts and quote all the instances. The Sorian Strategy. I know it from how hard we've argued back and forth, just to find that you've reversed your position. Probably nobody else is really paying attention to our arguments, so maybe that's why nobody has really pointed it out. The Sorian Strategy.
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In order:

People have framed themselves before in an attempt to say "why would I do that as scum?" It's worked to varying degrees from blowing up in your own face to getting away with murder. You readily admit that gambits are your bread and butter, I'm not putting it past you.

I'm not looking for a second killer. I'm keeping the option open. Much like I don't care about voting for Camjo today. Hints of a missed kill could lend credence to something happening with Camjo (being recruited, going rogue, whatever) while the presence of a second killing action especially one that was prevented night 1 points some evidence at Karu. We've had one night phase. I can't glean much from that without a comparison of other nights.

While you claim The Sorian Strategy, I'll help you out. People change their minds when new information is input. It happens, if someone was drastically flip flopping all over the ground, that would be cause to worry as would keeping firm beliefs in the face of overwhelming new evidence but slight changes over the course of the game? Yeah, I'd hope that would be happening to account for the inevitability of being wrong sometimes and right sometimes.
 
Sorian said:
I do suspect Karu, I've voted on him once or twice today and he has been on my scum lists all day today, that's hardly a secret.
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Why didn't you suspect him in that post I quoted? If you've been suspicious of him all day then it's extra ammunition.
 
LaunchpadMcQ said:
VOTE: Mazre

Ok, I'm going to explain this vote. It's not because I think Mazre is scummy. I don't really see it. However, I don't want to invite uncertainty into the equation if anyone wants to follow through on my play. I'll put my vote here, give Mazre a clear lead, and if anyone wants to vote for Camjo they can do so safely.

As it stands, my ability will have a good outcome. I think.
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Camjo is at 3, I voted for him
 
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