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BBC interviews woman "born without a womb, cervix and vagina'
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Count Dookkake
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Holy hell.
Sectorseven
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Isn't there speculation Joan of Arc had this condition?
Fudgepuppy
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Ah fuck dude, I'd feel guilty as shit if my girl was getting nothing but pain from just routine sex. That sounds like a bummer all over. I wonder how the tissue they cut into reacts to having to expand and contract vs regular vaginal walls. Would it be similar to a post-op trans person's experience I wonder?
John Kowalski
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These conditions that strike at many levels of identity are really interesting, the idea that they don't just challenge what healthy is but also many other aspects of being an individual in its context of gender, intimacy, and other big aspects of the human experience. Glad to hear that she's on the good road of self acceptance.
Her doctor examined hear for not menstruating at age 14 but... didn't actually examine her? I'm not sure if he's an idiot or just too awkward to be a doctor but that's pretty damn bad, close to malpractice territory. At the very least refer her immediately if you can't cut it, don't wait another 2 years.
Also, fun fact: the full name of the condition is Mayer-Rokitansky-Küster-Hauser Syndrome. Usually shortened to MRKH syndrome, for obvious reasons.
EDIT: I guess he might have decided to wait (the usual cut-off for investigating a lack of menstraution is 16 years) but the article made it sound like he did everything except a pelvic exam. Maybe it wasn't that weird after all. Still odd that it went undetected for so long but I guess it's possible.
Also, fun fact: the full name of the condition is Mayer-Rokitansky-Küster-Hauser Syndrome. Usually shortened to MRKH syndrome, for obvious reasons.
EDIT: I guess he might have decided to wait (the usual cut-off for investigating a lack of menstraution is 16 years) but the article made it sound like he did everything except a pelvic exam. Maybe it wasn't that weird after all. Still odd that it went undetected for so long but I guess it's possible.
I read stories like this and I wonder that, (on a slight tangent), if the mountain of poorly drafted and hastily ruled anti-transgender legislation, which seeks to define gender based on 'what your are born with' could legally be used to discriminate against people with this condition, regardless of whether or not they have had reconstructive surgery.
Yeah, can't really blame him for breaking off the engagement. That's not something you keep from your SO until you're engaged.
In this case the legislator would just require her to have a notarized DNA test result with her at all times. It's really the most dignified approach. /s
DiamondDog74
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I guess her first fiance did not want to consider adoption? On her end, if she was getting somewhat comfortable with her body, that was a huge blow. Awful guy. As a gay guy, adoption is the only option I consider. I know for some that's a big deal. I'm glad she is with someone who finally appreciates her.
It sucks, but it's hard to blame the guy. That's a *huge* thing to drop on someone that late into a relationship. Also some people really want kids of their own, and that'd be a big blow to someone like that.
Good she found someone who doesn't care, I don't think it'd be that big of a deal for me.
Great reference, but this woman is not a vagina-less alien with a second skin.
Or is she?!?!
Trojita
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I thought this was going to be an interview with the British girl with the same condition that I made a thread about awhile ago, apparently it isn't.
Also it apparently affects 1 in 4500 girls. Wooooooooow.
Also it apparently affects 1 in 4500 girls. Wooooooooow.
Squirrel Killer
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We can speculate about what her former fiancé did or did not want to consider, if he's a religious fanatic, or whatever, but keeping such a condition from them until after they've asked to get married is a breach of trust.
How is he awful without knowing so many things
- sex is a big deal in a relationship and if just having it puts her in constant pain, I wouldn't want to deal with that for her sake
- maybe he wants kids. Also can't fault him for that
- was this kept a secret the whole time from him before they got engaged?
davepoobond
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some people want to have biological children with the person they marry.
GhostTrick
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Mmh... no ?
Why would it be attractive ? I mean, I'm not saying it's off-putting or repulsive, but attractive ?
Sure, lots of guys don't want kids. Literally zero chance of pregnancy isn't a bad thing.
However considering she was engaged without having sex first she probably is quite conservative and/or religious herself; and anyone running in those circles usually has the expectation of children.
GhostTrick
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If what I read from quickly googling is correct.
Women with this condition have a clitoris, so they have at least that.
also according to what I googled.
Women with this condition have ovaries, and are able to have biological children via IVF and surrogacy.
How About No
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Lots of men in the world have the desire to produce screaming poop-machines. It's weird, I know.
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The toast prophet has spoken!
What a shitty thing to go through. Have to feel for all involved, except the doctor.
NekoFever
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I remember that thread mainly for the shocking number of people who don't know the difference between a vulva and vagina.
ElRenoRaven
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Wow. I feel so sorry for her. Those guys who treated her like shit are real scumbags.
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The partner that broke off the engagement was in a tough position. If he wanted to have kids, he couldn't stay with her. It's tragic because obviously it's going to make her feel completely devastated, but you can't stay with someone out of pity. If it was my wife though, I would have stayed but at the time I had no desire to have children, I just couldn't imagine life without her. Maybe in the long run it was for the best they split up.
Fuck those other shit bags though.
Meus Renaissance
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jediyoshi
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I can't fathom how the stars aligned for that to have never came up until then from either party.
It's understandable not wanting to tell your partner something like that, especially at that young age, but it's also not fair to the partner. Having biological kids is a big deal to a lot of people, and I wouldn't deride someone for wanting that. I think it was just an unfortunate situation all around.
No; if you don't want kids then being with a woman who can't get pregnant might be seen as a plus. At the very least that aspect wouldn't detract from the person for a guy who doesn't want kids.
What is confusing about this?
Generalizing that men don't want kids based on some things said on GAF is a bit silly though; GAF is full of parents who clearly wanted kids so it's not even a great generalization of GAF.
I can only speculate, but it can't be an easy thing to admit to, and you're looking at a young woman who's not fully completed her mental and emotional development (21 is definitely too young to get married, imo). Obviously, she didn't want to marry him before putting everything out in the open. As far as he is concerned, the only real impact of her condition is the fact that she can't bear children, which is inconsequential if they don't intend to start a family together. In that sense, one could argue that there's no point in her telling him unless she thinks the relationship is serious enough to warrant such plans.
It's a terrible situation. There's not much she can do about her condition, and while either alternative on his part is understandable, leaving someone because of a medical condition is horribly awkward (to say the least), although I don't want to exclude the possibility that him leaving was about breach of trust (ie her waiting so long to tell him).
That aside, I'm with you. The fact that sex is more uncomfortable and / or painful for her certainly makes things more difficult, but many people have their own physical and sexual peculiarities that a couple has to play to. And as for the fertility issue, there's always adoption (I know I would be devastated if my partner decided to leave me because of infertility). At the end of the day, she is still the same person. (Obviously, this last part is just my personal opinion, so no offence intended to anyone who disagrees)
It's terrible but she knew this from the very beginning. Some things you need to disclose to a partner when things begin to get serious so that they have the option to opt out. It's unfair to drop a bomb like that when they are already so emotionally invested.
1 in about 5000?? I'm really surprised I haven't heard of this before recently.
The good news is they've found a way to make lab grown vaginal tissue for people with this condition. I don't know all the details, but this article describes how they tried it on four teenagers and it restored their vaginal sexual function: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/lab-grown-vaginas-implanted-successfully-in-4-teenagers/
The good news is they've found a way to make lab grown vaginal tissue for people with this condition. I don't know all the details, but this article describes how they tried it on four teenagers and it restored their vaginal sexual function: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/lab-grown-vaginas-implanted-successfully-in-4-teenagers/
CrocMother
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This is something you tell someone about before you get engaged.
Dice
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lol I just remembered the part with the lamp
Psychotext
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Wow. That's some next level medicine.
Wut. Maybe in a world where contraception methods were never invented . otherwise your point makes no sense.
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