BBC: Tremor is detected in North Korea (up: nuclear test conducted)

Even though it's not going to happen, how would stopping trade with all of those countries not both screw up the US and alienate some really important players?

It's an empty threat if I ever saw one.
 
PdotMichael said:
That's funny because the string started with your post



And developed into a NATO related question (though it took some time until NATO was namedropped) after users stated that Europe wouldn't join Trump.
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I never stated NATO in that original post. I only stated NATO as an "example" (since it's the one everyone knows about or heard atleast) if another NATO country was attacked and invoked article 5 to the USA. I was referring to military treaties (of any types) overall. Since it's pretty much an honor system.
 
iRAWRasaurus said:
I never stated NATO in that original post. I only stated NATO as an "example" (since it's the one everyone knows about or heard atleast) if another NATO country was attacked and invoked article 5 to the USA. I was referring to military treaties (of any types) overall. Since it's pretty much an honor system.
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Trump has no honor, he has been insulting allies for years

why should an ally follow a madman down to hell caused by his twitter rants ?
 
gutter_trash said:
Trump has no honor, he has been insulting allies for years

why should an ally follow a madman down to hell caused by his twitter rants ?
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Yep you are correct. That's why I said regardless of the us president I would support military actions if require due to the treaties. But what can I do really. Join the military? Yeah of worst comes to worst, I will be there. Vote? Already do.
 
Just another warning not to fuck with the US or its allies. Same shit, different day. This crap is never going to end is it?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41140621

North Korea has defied UN sanctions and international pressure to develop nuclear weapons and test missiles that could potentially reach the US.

But speaking to reporters outside the White House, Mr Mattis said the US had the ability to defend itself and its allies South Korea and Japan, adding that its commitments were "ironclad".

"Any threat to the United States or its territories - including Guam - or our allies will be met with a massive military response, a response both effective and overwhelming."
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Avoiding war keeps getting a little slimmer day by day. Kim J wants to stay in power, that possibly means he doesn't want war because a war would cause Kim J to lose power (lose the war). The fallout of war with North Korea is what China is trying to avoid. Even after this latest nuclear test China did not add any new santions to North Korea. China doesn't want an influx of NK immigrants to cross it's boarders. That being said China is getting squeezed by this vice as time goes on and will not able to avoid this matter for much longer.
 
Xando said:
It's not only china.

Nations having trade with NK:


https://twitter.com/AkiPeritz/status/904385928826904576
7/10 of the largest economies on earth

It's basically economic suicide for the US
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Right, but China accounts for more of NK's trade (by value) than the rest combined, don't they? Most of those countries would back down immediately and lose their $1m deals with NK before letting the US cut ties with them. The question is whether China would too, and I have to believe they would, albeit angrily.
 
ZoltanXerxes said:
Avoiding war keeps getting a little slimmer day by day. Kim J wants to stay in power, that possibly means he doesn't want war because a war would cause Kim J to lose power (lose the war). The fallout of war with North Korea is what China is trying to avoid. Even after this latest nuclear test China did not add any new santions to North Korea. China doesn't want an influx of NK immigrants to cross it's boarders. That being said China is getting squeezed by this vice as time goes on and will not able to avoid this matter for much longer.
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That's why North Korea won't attack anyone first. That's why the US shouldn't be the one who attacks first. That's also why no one will actually attack (unless there is some colossal lack of common sense on one side as the case in any potential war).

Diplomacy is the only solution. Everyone knows it. North Korea believes they garner the greatest leverage in that by being a nuclear state.
 
"Any threat to the United States or its territories - including Guam - or our allies will be met with a massive military response, a response both effective and overwhelming."
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What precisely is considered a threat.
 
PdotMichael said:
Article 6 is clear in that regard.

Alaska is also part of North America.
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OK, just read up on that, interesting that the US itself made that decision. But if the US wants to call on NATO for help, NATO will agree to that I think. Now, not every nation might sent a ton of troops or go all out war. But to ignore the US request at that time would mean a breakdown of the alliance and European countries are not going to do that with Russia acting up lately.

Whether the US wants to call upon NATO is a different story of course, they probably won't and deal with it themselves with their Pacific partners.

But European involvement in Korea is not really new, multiple countries were involved in the Korean War there.
 
ClosingADoor said:
By this logic Russia could invade Alaska and the rest of NATO goes "lol, not in the Atlantic." It doesn't work that way.
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Alaska is part of the North American Continent and above the tropic of cancer. It is entirely valid in the hypothetical invocation.

Edited: I need to stop posting for a while.

Now, not every nation might sent a ton of troops or go all out war.
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I don't think anyone expects this tbh. Even during the Afghan Surge, the US had 2.5x larger troops numbers than the entirety of the NATO coalition combined. Also NATO and even the US would likely not want to impair NATO's strategic ability to respond to more domestic emergencies if it needed to.
 
ClosingADoor said:
OK, just read up on that, interesting that the US itself made that decision. But if the US wants to call on NATO for help, NATO will agree to that I think. Now, not every nation might sent a ton of troops or go all out war. But to ignore the US request at that time would mean a breakdown of the alliance and European countries are not going to do that with Russia acting up lately.

Whether the US wants to call upon NATO is a different story of course, they probably won't and deal with it themselves with their Pacific partners.

But European involvement in Korea is not really new, multiple countries were involved in the Korean War there.
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Article 6 exists because the NATO shouldn't be involved in possible conflicts in the back then existing colonies.

Any coalition regarding to Korea is not related to NATO - or possible other conflicts in the South China Sea.
 
brian577 said:
Just another warning not to fuck with the US or its allies. Same shit, different day. This crap is never going to end is it?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41140621
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"Threat" is not really clear, but I kind of trust Mattis on this. Much more than Trump. He is just saying the truth, a truth important for the NK regime to understand : If they attack the US or it's allies, they are dead.

EDIT :

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/white-house-responds-to-north-korea-s-h-bomb-test-1038740547763

"We are not looking at the total annihiliation of a country namely NK, but as I said ealier, we have many means to do this."

Shit. This is getting really serious. Mattis saying that sent shivers down my spine.
 
Self preservation or not, every proclamation by NK state media focuses on attacking the U.S. Maps of the U.S., video of nukes going off in American cities, direct verbal threats, etc. Now that they realistically have that capability, if NK specifically says,"we are going to use this to attack you", how long do we wait until we act?
 
Xyrmellon said:
Self preservation or not, every proclamation by NK state media focuses on attacking the U.S. Maps of the U.S., video of nukes going off in American cities, direct verbal threats, etc. Now that they realistically have that capability, if NK specifically says,"we are going to use this to attack you", how long do we wait until we act?
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Hopefully forever, because NK is not going to attack anyone. They aren't suicidal.
 
SDCowboy said:
Hopefully forever, because NK is not going to attack anyone. They aren't suicidal.
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They could fuck up and accidentally hit Japan or some other country or a ship belonging to someone else though, just one mistake could be all it takes.
 
This should be a cautionary tale for everyone who's passed the buck.

Sixty-plus years of someone else's problem recently became Donald Trump's problem.
 
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It's rather disconcerting that history has shown that states which are supported to represent the people in theory, can just as easily condemn a nation to annihilation without regards for lives.
 
Oriel said:
Iron Dome isn't designed to intercept MIRV's on their terminal phase from a ballistic trajectory. Warheads that are approaching from an altitude higher than what the ISS orbits at, with a reentry speed of 7km/s, multiple times faster than a bullet and next to impossible to hit. Literal orbital bombardment!

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Now thats kinda scary. I didn't know you could make bombs like a shotgun shell and have the artillery spread across a wide area. How destructive could each mini-bomb be?
 
maniac-kun said:
But i guess less people would die.
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No, they'd just die from American irradiation poisoning, slowly and painfully over the course of weeks or even months, rather than from the merciful quickness of an artillery explosion.

With allies like America, who needs enemies?
 
Crab said:
No, they'd just die from American irradiation poisoning, slowly and painfully over the course of weeks or even months, rather than from the merciful quickness of an artillery explosion.
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Also if they survive, their descendants could suffer from genetic disorders due to radiation sickness.

And considering the population of Seoul, that would be an entire generation of South Koreans.
 
Crab said:
No, they'd just die from American irradiation poisoning, slowly and painfully over the course of weeks or even months, rather than from the merciful quickness of an artillery explosion.

With allies like America, who needs enemies?
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Don't forget the genetic damage in future generations.
 
PdotMichael said:
NATO wasn't relevant when Argentinia invaded the Falkland Islands. NATO only includes areas in the Northern Atlantic and then only main territories.

You are free to read the Wikipedia article related to NATO.
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It is important to remember that NATO needs to be invoked, UK did not ask for NATO help, so NATO didn't help.
 
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