hamauzu kaito
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Exactly this. A lot of people in this thread are missing the long term. This puts his military and economic philosophy in line with each other.
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BBC: Tremor is detected in North Korea (up: nuclear test conducted)
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Exactly this. A lot of people in this thread are missing the long term. This puts his military and economic philosophy in line with each other.
you don't have to stop trade entirely to make a difference. The US does ~$40bn imports a month with China. China trade about ~$3bn a year with NK. Even some small tweaks would have a noticeable impact on China and would hopefully get them to reconsider their role in all this.
PdotMichael
Banned
"very dangerous for the USA"
I think this is the very important part here. This is not about SK, Japan or whatever but a nationalistic motivated paranoia.
It's disturbing to see how people on GAF will run with that rhetoric.
I think this is the very important part here. This is not about SK, Japan or whatever but a nationalistic motivated paranoia.
It's disturbing to see how people on GAF will run with that rhetoric.
SDCowboy
Member
They should, but they won't. Europe seems to not give a shit, so the US, Japan and SK are stuck trying to get China to actually step up, alone.
This. Ty.
Bruce Springsteen
Member
China couldve ended this mess a long time ago if they wanted to
Or watching a baby apologize after mommy scolded him and told him exactly which words to say.
PdotMichael
Banned
It's not China's job to deal with Trump's purely US centric paranoia. China is not the side which is losing anything right now but the USA is destabilizing their position in the Pacific.
legacyzero
Banned
They won't. They don't want a stream of NK refugees. Right now, DPRK is not a bother to them other than A western relations one.
SDCowboy
Member
Fixing doesn't mean China taking them out.
China can only do as much as everyone else. I think they've lost what control they had.
Also you're kinda wrong in the EU account. Various leaders have condemned it and said they'd get stuck in.
UK also said to send a Destroyer there to take part in joint exercises. (Albeit it is a little old).
SDCowboy
Member
The PM condemning it is not enough. The EU as a whole needs to start loudly joining in on putting pressure on NK, and on China to start taking an actual stand.
It doesn't matter what Putin says. His country currently has a lot more in common with North Korea. Effectively a criminal state whose oligarchs bleed its people dry while the head criminal enriches himself and hangs onto a vague sense of former soviet supremacy, but he wants to be a Tsar, not a president. He may have had a plan once, but now his country's stature is built entirely on fucking up other countries. He's like a Risk player who replaced all his army pieces with turds and just keeps shoving them onto other people's places.
PdotMichael
Banned
That's some hardcore bullshit.
The last thing the world needs is the EU which joins the American hysteric rhetoric. The fact that SK and Japan are way more calm about NK should tell you something.
gutter_trash
Banned
not with Trump in the White House.
impeach him first, then the international community will chime in.
i wouldn't deal witg Trump. better sit for 3 more years
SDCowboy
Member
I'm not talking about hysterical rhetoric.
Green Yoshi
Member
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/904377075049656322
So this would mean that companies like Apple can no longer produce their iPhones in China if they want to sell them in the USA. Interesting development. How will China react if the Western world is gonna treating them as North Korea and starts to isolate them?
PdotMichael
Banned
Well, your posts are hyterical rhetoric. You aren't gonna join the party which openly start talking about a war which will only end in a genocide.
SDCowboy
Member
How are my posts hysterical rhetoric? Wanting Europe to start speaking up against NK is not being hysterical.
One has legal issues that make them can't do shit, the other has their capital city held hostage and neither one can do anything without U.S involvement due to the China issue. So yes, of course they are "more calm" they have a lot more riding on this in which they can't make a move.
Majukun
Member
while I understand why people fear a nk with the nuke, in terms of rights, why it's not ok for them to have the nuke but a country like the US that officially fabricated a casus belli just to invade another nation (probably for oil), has all the right to have nukes and have its president tell the world how 'nuclear and the power of distruction is very important to me' or 'if we have the jukes why aren't we using them? '
I mean, from the point of view of the nk dictator, I can understand why he is trying to augment his bargain power through nuclear
I mean, from the point of view of the nk dictator, I can understand why he is trying to augment his bargain power through nuclear
gutter_trash
Banned
impeach Trump first
Bitch Pudding
Member
*except China cause I really need that iPhone 8.
Wet Bloodfart
Banned
this is so fucking stupid
PdotMichael
Banned
Yeah, good that the USA (and the EU which should join the USA) doesn't need to care about such mere details and can go full crazy over it.
Rest of the world will not join the USA, so good luck with that trade war against the entire world, Trump!
SDCowboy
Member
How do you expect someone on here to do that?
dragonelite
Member
Lol so the US wants to shuffle the blame onto others for their incompetent/non existing foreign policies?
Lol why? USA had no problems going after Saddam, overstay their welcome in Afghanistan and help with messing up Libya. What's stopping them from dealing with NK? Oh that's right... No energy resources worth taking advantage. Yeah, just get China to deal with it. USA isn't interested in playing World Police when it doesn't suit them.
Reckheim
Member
You make it sound so easy.
gutter_trash
Banned
patience
if i were the UK or France, i wouldn't follow this madman's lead.
i would wait for Mueller finish his job
Trump has been a dick to his allies, there iis no reason for allies rush to help this turd.
FF Seraphim
Member
Holy shit if Trump actually does this then it will be a major game changer.
gutter_trash
Banned
if he does this, he will be alone
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
What's the point of an alliance then if one leader dislike that another leader? Might as well break it and reform it for every new leader then.
SDCowboy
Member
lol It's not going to happen.
NyMartin90
Member
So you think they should ignore mutual defense pacts if a missile is sent to Guam?
PdotMichael
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What alliance are you talking about?
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Deleted member 231381
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What could China do? Sanctions have a clear benefits/losses calculus to them. Suppose China reduced trading with North Korea. What does the Kim regime lose? Some wealth, some luxury goods. Suppose the Kim regime stopped their nuclear weapons programme. What does the Kim regime lose? Security - they're at the mercy of an international intervention. There's no sanction significant enough to persuade North Korea to drop their nuclear weapons programme. It just won't work.
People in this thread attribute too much influence to China.
FF Seraphim
Member
Just the other day there was talks about Trump wanting to pullout of the trade agreement with SK... I would not put it pass him to try to just cut trade with out of the blue with other nations.
Ah and why would Europe not give a shit? That's right, it's been threatened by the four year old at the White House.
This game sucks, 0/10 :-(
He won't do it, but a trade war would have a dramatic effect on the world economy. We are talking about more than 4 trillion in world trade.
Hell a trade war with China would be more devastating for China than if they stopped all trade with NK.
You mean the job that has a chance of not coming to fruition until the 3rd or 4th year of Trump's tenure if even before he leaves presidency?
Xyrmellon
Member
That's because all the countries and territories Putin has invaded have only had conventional wrapons.
Majukun
Member
dame for all the countries the US have invaded too... it's kind of why nk wants the nuke.
PdotMichael
Banned
A trade war in that scale would have unpredictable results, we are talking about world order changing results here if the USA really enters a trade war with not just China but the entire world.
dragonelite
Member
this, even when you dismantle your arsenal its no guarantee you're save, aka Gaddafi so why would a rogue nation comply with US demands.
In reference to Allies there is no Mutual defense for them to respond to unless they are named The Republic of Korea or Japan. NATO is strictly a North atlantic thing so shit going down in the pacific would obligate allies to do nothing, though they would be free to help if they so wished.