RustyNails
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And how many people will it destroy in the process? I'll start off: Trump doesnt have a healthcare plan. Whatever he wants to replace Obamacare with will take 18 million people off the insured list.
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Bernie Sanders endorses Hillary Clinton for president
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davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
he's more like Code Talker. All about that grade A hamburger meat
There are things I'm not OK with in both candidates. Is Trump really racist? I don't know. The media says he is, right? I guess there's some older quotes, and possibly other hard evidence. I think there may be some for Hillary too.
Seductivpancakes
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So you're okay with many lives being destroyed cause you dislike Hilary.
That's not how it works! God, the last time the Democrats lost heavily with Reagan and Bush Sr. they went right and the GOP went even more right. The GOP itself has adopted a lot of Trump's ideas into their platform. A Trump victory also ensures that the Supreme Court will be right winged for decades, prolonging the oppression of minorities for decades and likely making it worse too. Trump winning is going to halt progress and even regress us, your next candidates are going to be a center-right Democrat and a far right Republican if it happens.
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seats! You want to keep the country moving forward? Vote Clinton, want it to go backward, then vote Trump or not at all.
benjipwns
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Calm down, there will be a racist who destroys many lives in office if Hillary wins too.
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Edit: don't fall for the Benji bait, people
Really? Fucking really? In the speech that launched his campaign, Trump called Mexicans rapists and murderers. In Clinton's first campaign speech, she called on the dire racial injustice in America. There is absolutely 0 doubt, by any standard, that Trump is a racist piece of shit.
Edit: don't fall for the Benji bait, people
Really? Fucking really? In the speech that launched his campaign, Trump called Mexicans rapists and murderers. In Clinton's first campaign speech, she called on the dire racial injustice in America. There is absolutely 0 doubt, by any standard, that Trump is a racist piece of shit.
Princess Carl
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oh for fucks sake. you obviously don't care about the country if you live here.
I knew posting anything anti-Hillary would get me heat in this forum. Just threw my opinion out there and I'll continue to drown in the hate until I can vanish back into my semi-lurking stasis.
RustyNails
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There are none for Clinton and dozens and dozens of sexist, racist, bigoted quotes from Trump.
Seductivpancakes
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I don't hate any one.
Well since you haven't posted on why you dislike Hilary, so your post more anti establishment.
Can you find me any quotes about Trump praising BLM or hell, any kind of minority or LGBT movement?
If the media is lying about him then this should be easy to find.
Anti Hillary? No, we just don't think nuking is the best method of circumcision.
I think she's irresponsible, dishonest, will absolutely cater to big money interests, Benghazi, for the Trans-Pacific Partnership no matter what she claims, and more.
EdibleKnife
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I don't really care if you hate Hillary. People are giving you shit because you're SUPPORTING TRUMP. And this fantasy about upending America. Who do you think will be the first victims in such a scenario? Minorities. LGBTQ peoples. Women. The Lower Class. Literally everyone Bernie worked hard to become president so he could change their lives for the better.
Oh for fuck! NO! Alright, I had enough of this fucking garbage! This isn't about anti-Hillary, this is about pro-Trump! Your opinion is toxic because it endangers the lives of many because you didn't get your way. Trump as president would effectively kill me based on the current GOP platform because I'm trans and bisexual and my partner is hispanic who looks a bit middle eastern. Everything crazy about Trump is being adopted by the GOP, the party that controls the Senate, the House, most governorships, and I'll be damn if they get the executive branch and the judicial branch. They'll have complete power and there we be nothing short of a complete violent revolution to stop them. If that happens, I will blame people like you with your crybaby anarchist behavior over petty shit.
Seductivpancakes
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And Trump caters to racist, and bigots. His supporters are KKK members as well as other white supremacists groups.
I understand if you dislike Hilary, and I ain't gonna give you shit for it, but to say you rather Trump win makes me think you're lacking some perspective.
benjipwns
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Check this out, his opinion doesn't decide the Presidency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)
I'm well aware of that, but the mindset is still aggravating and annoying at this point.
I understand the state of the Supreme Court would be fucked, I just can't vote for Hillary. I'd rather aim for the possibility of a revolution to change things rather than keep the slow bleeding.
Listen, I'm all for the LGBT community. I have always supported them. And I'm not Pro Trump, even if Amit-Hillary points me in that direction. I'm more political revolution. Shock and disgust for who we have in office. Hillary just hides her ugliness better.
Hell, not too long ago Hillary opposed gay rights. Then flippity flip.
balladofwindfishes
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So you'd rather just skip the middle man and elect a special interest directly?
Mr_Antimatter
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I love how trumpers just ignore all the damage he could do, in the hopes that somehow, in some un described way, he causing some sort of improvement in 'the process'.
Real life doesn't work like that.
Real life doesn't work like that.
I'd elect Tom Cruise if he was an option. Then again, I'm a huge fan.
balladofwindfishes
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Peoples freedoms, their lives, their loved ones, their marriages, this is a joke to you?
And that alone is more than enough reason to not support Trump.
If you don't understand the effect a right leaning Supreme Court can have for the next 20 years, you really do not care about LGBT rights at all.
Seductivpancakes
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Many people opposed gay rights. The important thing is that they're supporting gay rights now, in the present while also working towards making lives better for LGBT.
It's up to us, to help preserve those rights and freedoms once they've been obtained, and I one way to do that is to make sure Trump isn't in office.
You support LGBT, but you're fine with letting the Supreme Court get conservative judges which will ban same-sex marriages and a lot more. You understand how this isn't supporting them, right. We're going to be heavily discriminated and worse with the GOP controlling everything, including the Supreme Court. That's going to halt progress for decades.
Well said.
TestOfTide
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Give me examples of Hillary saying/doing things as racist as what trump has said and done.
Let me lay it out for you why your argument falls flat to those of us that are sane: There is no criticism you can make of Hillary that doesn't also apply to Trump AT LEAST as much as it applies to Hillary.
You say that Hillary is a liar? Trump has managed to, in the span of 1 and half years, make more lies than Hillary has ever made in the entire span of her political career.
You say that Hillary is a war monger? Trump has said that he wants to target families of terrorists AND won't rule out using fucking NUKES.
You say that Hillary has flip-flopped? Trump can't even stay consistent in the same fucking speech.
You say that Hillary is bought by Wall Street and other big interests? Trump IS one of those "big interests" and the only reason that Trump hasn't gotten the corporate backing that Romney got is because of how toxic Trump has been that even business types are wary of backing him.
Now let's look at the criticisms one can make of Trump that you can't say about Hillary:
- Trump has run a campaign on blatant bigotry against Muslims
- Trump has run a campaign on blatant bigotry against Hispanics
- Trump has used his wealth to buy newspaper space so that he could demand that 5 innocent minorities be executed
- Trump has advocated for numerous war crimes
- Trump has made fun of someone's disability
- Trump has attacked a former POW for the fact that they got captured
- Trump has advocated for violence on protesters at his rallies
- Trump has used a national tragedy to congratulate himself on "being right"
- Trump has pretended he didn't know who David Duke was (he did know) to avoid condemning a white supremacist
- Trump has made numerous mysoginistic comments, including that one time he managed to make a mysoginistic comment to attack Romney ("on your knees")
- Trump has said that he would use libel laws to suppress any criticism he gets from the press
So if after all that you still pick Trump, then the conclusions we can make about you narrow down to one or more of the following:
- You are a bigot.
- You are an idiot in general.
- You have no understanding of how politics works.
- You care less about actual policy than you care about impressions.
- You care less about minority groups than you care about economics.
- You would rather vote like an idiot than admit you were wrong about Hillary.
As long as he could still film MI:6.
That's not a very nice opinion of me, but you're entitled to it I guess...
benjipwns
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I'm pretty sure this would be some kind of campaign finance violation, even after Citizens United restored the protection of our rights.
Trump said:
Some bonus quotes:
Trump, after some of his supporters assauled a latino at his rally:
And that's just about latinos. Trump goes beyond dog whistles and goes strain into dull blown racist area.
TestOfTide
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So you don't have an actual response?
Also, I didn't say that all of those conclusions apply to you. I said that 1 or more of those conclusions applies to you IF YOU ACTUALLY VOTE TRUMP.
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
I like how TYT think they are major players and that "The Establishment" monitors and cares what they say.
Karsticles
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This like...deserves its own OT.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
I don't blame him. That's a long list of insults to fling somebody just because they aren't a Hillary supporter.
LUFTRAUSER
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The thing about this election is, Trump is the opposition candidate. If you aren't a Hillary supporter then you are basically a Trump supporter.
RustyNails
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Benji noooo
Why would I respond to that? You obviously have your mind made up about me already, so no reason to waste finger strokes trying to change it.
I obviously haven't contributed anything good to the thread, so I'll go now. Deal?
boiled goose
good with gravy
Like it or not they are the biggest online news show.
Have you heard of democracy spring or Wolfpac? Their influence far beyond news..
If you or the establishment are not paying attention it's at their peril.
It's not like tyt is anything particularly special. They are just filling a void.
I agree with 4/5 here BUT Trump is pretty much worse on all issues overall plus all the extra risk. You can't say you believe Hillary is a liar but Trump is an honest populist.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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If Clinton can implement just the public option - which gets us one step away from Medicare for all (effectively Single Payer healthcare) - then that's more progress than I see in all of Trump's positions. As a matter of fact, I know fuckall about Trump's position because he's not really that clear. IF he wants to try and get my vote, he needs to do better. I don't care about the childish back and forth name calling, I care about policies and outside his tax plan and reshoring plans, I haven't seen much of anything from him.
True. One is a criminal, demagogue liar, the other is a racist, mysoginist, xenophobic, homophobic liar.
I think there will be chaos, yes, maybe we'll get a real life The Walking Dead / The Last of Us situation.
I am not a Clinton fan, and my post history will show you that. I actually dislike her quite a bit and will have to see if she'll flip flop again in the general before deciding if I'll vote for her.
Gordon Shumway
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Nothing y'all say is going to change the guy's mind..just move on lol.
You don't have to be a Hillary supporter, but if you're a Trump supporter then that means you condone all of those things. That you're OK with everything from the racism to the war crimes. That none of that is too far for you. That you're willing to support a guy that will say or do any of that says a lot about you as a person, if you support Trump
Cry me a bloody river. I don't like Clinton that much, but I know what's at stake and I'm not going to risk it because I don't like her. I'm not going to hope for her defeat over lesser things when I know full well what happens to me and other minorities if Trump wins.
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