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Best classes for WoW?
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TurtleSnatcher
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myzhi said:
I would take a certain amount of priests then a decent group of druids as well, both would be my option.
And not going for healers in a pvp fight can end up being hell.. thats like saying a rogue and warrior pvping would go for a warrior first if the warrior was with a druid pvping in like EPL lets say..
That makes no sense.. theyd go for the druid.. take out the healer.
krypt0nian
Banned
Umpteen said:Paladins get pretty limp wristed in the end game.
Chalk *another* one up to whiny rogues.
What could that possibly mean?
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
Diablos said:
:lol
wait....
let me reread what you said.
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
Uhh druids can beat just about any class they have the ultimate CC, a root that doesnt have immunity timer, 2 heal over time spells, stealth, and bear form that no only negates most CC when you transform , also can bash. Druids can outlast anyone....cept for a shadowpriest they are just retarded. Druids arent outright quick kill classes but at the same time barring some stupid duel in real pvp can be a pain to any class and can kill most....cept for face melting shadowpriests...man wtf.
Fixed2BeBroken said:
I'm not even kidding, cast fearie fire beforehand... then wrath, moonfire, attack (either with weapon or bear form)... half the health bar is gone, I do it one more time and they're dead. Unless they're a few levels above me of course, but you can say that about most other classes except maybe Warriors and Rogues.
Anyway, sorry that my Druid discussion had to turn into a fight between two people here. Calm down... this is a game, let's talk about it like adults. But I still think they're worth playing (Druids). I don't think they are that bad. I was able to hold my own in a group of 5 yesterday attacking level 22-23 orcs because I had the capability to attack and heal myself. Everyone else but the priest died, but even she did because she couldn't really do anything for the sake of attacking. I still died a lot, but mainly because I was a lv 18 against level 22 and 23 orcs
But I was also able to last longer than most others in my group (except for the Rogue who was like level 24 of course), because as I said I could attack and heal. Basically we all died, but I lasted pretty long, despite getting ganged up on because I was the second lowest level in the group. That in itself is damn impressive. Then we tried attacking some elite orcs at lvl 23, and they owned us all :lolLots of people here are giving Druids crap, it seems, but if I ask my Guild, anyone in chat, or random people playing they all say Druids are an awesome class. In fact I've seen quite a few people say a Druid at level 60 can own just about any other class, even the best Warriors or Rogues. I've definitely seen more positive than negative comments about Druids.
I will say that a level 19 warrior will have an easier time attacking an enemy that is a couple levels higher while on his own, but that's to be expected for a purely physical class. On the other hand I've seen some Druids in their 30s-40s kick some serious ass.
Whatever, WoW is my first MMO, something tells me level 60 is not the magic number but 35-45 probably is. That should only take a couple more weeks, if I see that the Druids are not all that useful in combat so be it.
The first lv 60 on our server is a Tauren Shaman, go figure. He runs around Allaince territory in wolf form like a little bitch, jumps out at you and expects you to PvP him. Moron.
at lvl 40 every class has all of their abilities. from that point anything your learn from a class trainer is simply an upgrade to an ability you already know. you're also able to get a mount at lvl 40. that's really the magic number. the only motivation to get to lvl 60 is to access high end dungeons and maybe to get an epic mount.Diablos said:
20 levels down, 20 to go then.Scrow said:
Hell, if Druids suck it's not like I have that much longer to go.
And based on how the lv 60 on our server acts, it seems like anyone who is crazy enough to get there has nothing else better to do and is wasting their time. I realize this does not apply to everyone, but for the twerp running around on our server, it certainly does.
Blizzard puts some creepy enemies in the game... last night there was some big fat white undead elite guy named "Stitches" terrorizing Darkshire. Killed me in one hit.
It was fun watching all of the higher level players own him though.I had a lvl 60 druid friend take me through Wailing Cavern (low 20 elites). For level 60, his damage was pathetic. I don't know what you mean by "half the health", but my friend's moonfire did like 5% of a Druid of the Fangs health, and that was at 60. Druids can outlast almost any class, but they're DPS is horrible.
He was even joking that my lvl 40 shadow priest could out DPS him.
He was even joking that my lvl 40 shadow priest could out DPS him.
Agent Dormer
Dirty Drinking Smoker
909er said:
if he was lvl60, it was probably resto-specced, so he'd be doing pretty crappy damage. druid dps is really in cat form.
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
Diablos said:I'm not even kidding, cast fearie fire beforehand... then wrath, moonfire, attack (either with weapon or bear form)... half the health bar is gone, I do it one more time and they're dead. Unless they're a few levels above me of course, but you can say that about most other classes except maybe Warriors and Rogues.
Anyway, sorry that my Druid discussion had to turn into a fight between two people here. Calm down... this is a game, let's talk about it like adults. But I still think they're worth playing (Druids). I don't think they are that bad. I was able to hold my own in a group of 5 yesterday attacking level 22-23 orcs because I had the capability to attack and heal myself. Everyone else but the priest died, but even she did because she couldn't really do anything for the sake of attacking. I still died a lot, but mainly because I was a lv 18 against level 22 and 23 orcs
Lots of people here are giving Druids crap, it seems, but if I ask my Guild, anyone in chat, or random people playing they all say Druids are an awesome class. In fact I've seen quite a few people say a Druid at level 60 can own just about any other class, even the best Warriors or Rogues. I've definitely seen more positive than negative comments about Druids.
I will say that a level 19 warrior will have an easier time attacking an enemy that is a couple levels higher while on his own, but that's to be expected for a purely physical class. On the other hand I've seen some Druids in their 30s-40s kick some serious ass.
Whatever, WoW is my first MMO, something tells me level 60 is not the magic number but 35-45 probably is. That should only take a couple more weeks, if I see that the Druids are not all that useful in combat so be it.
The first lv 60 on our server is a Tauren Shaman, go figure. He runs around Allaince territory in wolf form like a little bitch, jumps out at you and expects you to PvP him. Moron.
my main is a level 54 druid on a pvp server. Let me break down a druid.
IT DOES NOT HAVE GREAT ATTACKING POWER.
It sacrifices DPS for Survivability.
This is a fact. You may think you are powerful now, but roll a rogue or mage and see what im talking about.
Even in at 60 in end game, a Priest can Out DPS a Druid by just going into PWS, Using their leet Wand and just shadow word paining and wanding.
now, if you fight in caster form with your wrath and moonfire, You will die. Rogues will stunlock you and pwn you up, Warriors will MS you and pwn you up, shamans will shock you and pwn you up, etc etc etc.
you will probably MOSTLY be fighting in bear. Yawn
If you get good with druid, you can beat almost every class solo, Except a Holy/disc priest, and then Shaman will be VERY hard as well just because of purge. (that is if they arent noob and know to use it...if not then shaman are easy)
Rogues will be a Chance to win or Chance to lose. Will your stun hit? If it does, you will probably win the match if you know what you are doing. Will your stun miss, get dodged, or resisted? if so, then your chances are that you just may lose.
Paladins, fahget about it. Waste of time.
Druids vs druids? waste of time.
Mages you should eat for breakfast.
Shadowpriests you gotta survive thier first onslaught, once you get past that you will win, if you cant survive that first 10-15 seconds then you lose.
HOly/disc priests so much harder than shadowpriests if the holy/disc priest knows how to fight you. All i can say is try your best, but you will probably lose this if the holy/disc priest is good.
Shaman, same thing, just cause purge. They can just purge and use heal only and beast you with leet 2h weapon and just Rank 1 earthshock you if u dont keep them contained during a heal.
you're an alliance so, sorry, you will probably die to most shamans.
Warlocks, not that bad unless they got felhunter out. If imp or the girl is out, kill them, if blue guy is out, ignore him, if felhunter is out kill him too. Warlock with felhunter is such a bitch tho. same deal with shadowpriest applys to warlock tho. If you can survive warlock past 20-30 seconds, then u will probably win.
Warrior = fairly easy except i hear when they have end game gear/weapons they can be quite tough. but i never really lost to a warrior.
Hunters - you should be able to beat most hunters, except the ones who just feign and trap all day, but not many hunters know to do this Cheap tactic. WIth the new patch tho, things will change, and fighting hunters may be a bit different.
I could give you strats on how to beat all these classes but it will take too long to type and i dont feel like it. Its something for you to learn and pick up.
But at the end of the day, Druid takes so long to kill people that by the time he finally does, that person has already called on 3-4 people to come kill you. And they have gotton to you by then. Thats the sucky thing about being a druid, you can survive till they call thier friends.
You might think your powerful now (dont know how) but trust me, you will become highly frustrated (if you are on PvP server, dont know about PvE).
And to the person who said Catform is for DPS. yes it is, its too bad that Catform dps is about as equivalent as Bear. Tho the next patch will change that a bit.
Druids dont suck tho, it just takes alot more effort/patience to be successful with them.
Oh and on the discussion of BG. It kinda sucks. In AV all you can do is MF spam/heal. In Any big group battles all you can do is MF spam/heal. and in WSG you are flag carrier, which i am fine with...but in pick up games there tends to be players who just dont care about winning and just wanna rack up HKs (god they are so stupid) and they expect you to get flag then hide with it while they get thier HKs and u sit there and wait around only to lose cause they never cared about winning in the first place. Very frustrating.
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OH in PvE, you're expected to be Healbot/INnervate the priest bot. So you better put 31 in restore, or good luck trying to find a group that will take you for MC.
You wanna go restore anyways cause its the only good tree for PvE and PvP.
peace
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
Diablos said:
well late game u will own 2-3 mobs in bear form, popping out for heals....
im just talking about pvp
you're pve server so its a much different game. you should roll on PvP server tho...much more fun experience imo (and sometimes more frustrating.)
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
Gotta love STV on the pvp server place is a warzone.
TurtleSnatcher
Member
Diablos said:
Late game a druid can solo boss run late game instances because of his survabliity.. thus meaning taking out multiple high lvl 50 add's + boss at once w/o dying
A rogue on the other hand wont be able to do that, unless they can sap at least one of the adds, or really dps nonstop and kill some before evasion wears out.
A druid also may do crappy dmg in pvp so if he gets gang banged he shouldnt die easily.. tbh, he should be fine and be able to get away with ease.. Natures Grasp and being able to shift out of binds like slow effects/hamstrings/etc Not to mention being able to pop in a free instant heal with natures swiftness.
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
border said:
eh? the reward is fun pwning and getting pvp items.
PezRadar said:
depends on who gangs up on you.
Fixed2BeBroken said:
And you can get those PVP items on ANY server. Until they put some kind of system in to discourage the mindless 12-year old gank fests on the PVP servers; it's no fun to play there to get quests done. Hillsbrad is basically unplayable on any PVP server.
With Battlegrounds in, it's just as easy to get honor and PVP items on a PVE or RP server.
border said:
Agreed... eventhough I play on a PvP server, the only thing most "PvPers" want to do is "pwn" someone while they are trying to quest. I remember how bad it was (before dishonor points) even trying to turn in a quest because idiots kept killing the quest NPC. GREAT PvP stuff! :rolleyes
I pity the fool who tries to get PVP items from non-BG activity. That's why I said that rewards are "basically" non-existent. Advancing your honor with just random kills here and there is useless.....to get anywhere you pretty much have to do the same thing as on a PvE server (Battlegrounds). Even then it seems impossible to get anywhere.....why is the honor system so stacked against progression?
I never got the "fun" of random PVP since it seems like 90% the time it is not a fair fight and the outcome is determined from the outset. Rarely is it ever a "dueling" situation where each party knows they are about to fight.....more likely you are getting ganked while you're in the middle of fighting a monster, or you're ridiculously outnumbered, or the opponent is like 10 levels over you. Or it's vice versa and you're the one who is ganking, outnumbering, or outleveling, etc. I guess it can be fun, but like I said you're just getting the fun out of griefing other people.
Teknopathetic
Member
PvP is sorely overrated by hardcore dorks. Griefers does not make for an entertaining experience. Enduring assholes just to become one yourself just makes you dumb and then a loser. Congrats!
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
I dont know its fun to me being able to fight alliance whenever.
I mean geez, you really like to take the piss out of PvP. yea we are all losers i guess cause we play on PvP servers. right
:lol
Hey whatever, if it makes you feel better to be on PvE and trash pvp go right ahead.
I just feel PvE gets boring. I dont feel the need to trash it tho.
And I dont just get fun out of griefing, cause alot of my fights tend to either be me against some close to my level or me on multiple people at a time since i solo alot.
peace
I mean geez, you really like to take the piss out of PvP. yea we are all losers i guess cause we play on PvP servers. right
:lol
Hey whatever, if it makes you feel better to be on PvE and trash pvp go right ahead.
I just feel PvE gets boring. I dont feel the need to trash it tho.
And I dont just get fun out of griefing, cause alot of my fights tend to either be me against some close to my level or me on multiple people at a time since i solo alot.
peace
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
ManaByte said:
BS. I can advance my rank just as effiecently by Solo PvPing in random areas.
just because in BG most people just wanna Rack up HKs while i hide with the flag, hence I just sit there for like a hour and then my team loses cause they never cared to win the BG in the first place.
AV is a different story, but I dont really do much AV yet cause I am 54.
peace
Yeah, I've been almost PVP exclusive for the past month. It's not like I'm criticizing the setup from a place of ignorance....
I'd love to know where you can rack up 200-300 honor in the span of an hour besides BattleGrounds.
I would almost prefer the opposite the current system....where you are allowed to fuck up the opposing faction's infrastructure (vendors, hippogryph/wind rider masters, quest NPCs) but are penalized for ganking people 10+ levels underneath you.
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
rack 200-300 hks in an hour? lol in AV sure...not in WSG. more like 100 or so in an hour, and HKs are on diminishing returns which NOBODY SEEMS TO UNDERSTAND.
either way, as a druid in WSG u dont get many Hks, you mostly get ur points from Scoring and Winning the game....but most people that i play with in pick up games dont care about winning, they are there to rack up HKs, so while im just sitting aroudn with the flag for a hour or two being bored, they are racking up HKs then we lose.
within that span i can rack up a good amount of honor by myself.
eh no, because if u are raiding, the lowbies like to attack you even tho they know they are going to die....so we are just suppossed to ignore them?
no way....mages would hate that too.
either way, as a druid in WSG u dont get many Hks, you mostly get ur points from Scoring and Winning the game....but most people that i play with in pick up games dont care about winning, they are there to rack up HKs, so while im just sitting aroudn with the flag for a hour or two being bored, they are racking up HKs then we lose.
within that span i can rack up a good amount of honor by myself.
border said:
eh no, because if u are raiding, the lowbies like to attack you even tho they know they are going to die....so we are just suppossed to ignore them?
no way....mages would hate that too.
Don't you get like 120 honor for each flag score....plus even more for the win? Again -- where are you going that lets you get that much honor that quickly?
Why don't you tell HK farmers to shove it and just score the flag? Is people's desire to farm HKs really that big of a problem? I've only had a group try to do it once, and it ended in disaster. Most people are smart enough not to risk losing the match over a few extra measly HKs.
Why don't you tell HK farmers to shove it and just score the flag? Is people's desire to farm HKs really that big of a problem? I've only had a group try to do it once, and it ended in disaster. Most people are smart enough not to risk losing the match over a few extra measly HKs.
It'd require a more complex system of tracking PVP scenarios, yes. Would it be impossible to implement? Probably not. I'm sure they could figure out some decent conditions for allowing combat with low levels.
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
border said:
hey i do, i tell them all the time, if this were a utopian society, it would be great but its not.
and i just cant cap the flag when Alliance has our flag and are hiding and only one or two people on my team care to look for it while the others are Farming.
and where do i go that gets me honor? places i see in vids. its better for rogues/druids to do this tho, not so sure about other classes.
border said:
You also get more honor depending on how you're killing people. For example, if you just go in an AOE like crazy in AV you're not going to get that much honor. On the other hand, if you go into WSG and do one-on-one kills you'll get A LOT more honor. If my side wins in WSG, I can average 2,000-3,000 honor a night with only doing one or two WSG matches. This week I've done one WSG match (that we won) and about two hours in AV (Horde lost) and right now I'm at 4,000 honor for the week. If I wasn't raiding UBRS for eyes tonight I'd be in AV or WSG getting more honor. Two weeks ago I did nearly 9,000 honor.
You can't be more specific than that?
I'm not imagining where or how you can SOLO 50-100 honor points in an hour. That's nearly 1 HK per minute. On a PVP server it won't take long for a couple 60's to show up and smack the shit out of you, so I don't see how you can get any decent farming scheme going.
This would have to be the first time I've heard of Horde-side players being so consistently stupid. I've only done 21-30 WSG with my Horde character, but not once has anyone ever said "Let's go farm HKs instead of trying to win".
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
border said:You can't be more specific than that?
I'm not imagining where or how you can SOLO 50-100 honor points in an hour. That's nearly 1 HK per minute. On a PVP server it won't take long for a couple 60's to show up and smack the shit out of you, so I don't see how you can get any decent farming scheme going.
This would have to be the first time I've heard of Horde-side players being so consistently stupid. I've only done 21-30 WSG with my Horde character, but not once has anyone ever said "Let's go farm HKs instead of trying to win".
well i stealth alot and since im 54 its not THAT easy for 60s to see me, when they come I leave.
and yea it was pretty bad at 41-50.
they dont just say "lets farm for HKs instead of trying to win" but they do stuff like not join raid party cause they think it will get more hk, tell you "im just here for HK", Shamans who act like they cannot heal they just need to kill kill kill, priests who dont realize that all they need is thier heals, pws and psy scream, etc etc etc etc. I could go on forever. but point is, I wish blizzard would implement a new way honor was handled in BGs. and make everyone join a raid party upon entering BG.
i havent played since, because i see no reason to play wsg against 60s with epic mounts and endgame gear/weapons but i hear its even worse in 51-60 and that its just better to play with organized guildies than pickup games.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
Member
What did you think, that you'd be a hybrid class that's better at every situation than the classes you're a hybrid for? You are WEAK at damage, accept it. Of course you can get things down to half health after a few moves... you need to be able to solo. But when you're facing elites in a group, you aren't worth anything as an attacker. You are a healer.Diablos said:
It made me laugh a bit to see you say earlier something along the lines of "if people at the end-game think I'm a primary healer, they can blow me." You ARE a healer. Your healing abilities as a druid are second only to priests, while your damage/tanking potential are below warriors/paladins and even hunters if they have good pets. If you do not accept right at this moment that you will spend 90% of your time in a group as a healer, you need to reroll. That sort of stubborn attitude about how to play your class is something that will get you a bad rep at level 60.
Demigod Mac
Member
You do have to watch your back on PVP servers and WILL get ganked.
But it gives you a warm, fuzzy feeling inside when you turn the tables on a ganker or get sweet revenge later on.
But it gives you a warm, fuzzy feeling inside when you turn the tables on a ganker or get sweet revenge later on.
krypt0nian
Banned
As much as the ganking sometimes sucks, the thrill of watching you back or else is far cooler to me than PVE.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Demigod Mac said:
*wrenches ax from face of rogue that wanted my Rich Thorium Vein*
Amen, brother.
Screaming_Gremlin
My QB is a Dick and my coach is a Nutt
On my server AV is where the honor is at. 8,000 to 10,000 hp for a victory is pretty sweet. The top honor farmers were getting about 300,00 to 500,000 hp per week. That number is going down I am sure now that school has started and people have begun to hit Grand Marshall (The first on the alliance side was a hunter and the next was a warrior). I personally am not that big of a fan of AV and pefer small group pvp, even if it means small amounts of honor compared to me being in AV.
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
/cheer for pvp