Best multi-console arcade stick?

I've been getting into Third Strike quite a bit lately, and I'm planning on grabbing a few fighters for my Saturn. I'd also like to make use of the copies of Soul Calibur II and CvsS2:EO I have for my 'Cube. I really, really need an arcade stick. But I don't want to have to buy multiple sticks or anything of that sort. I was thinking of picking up an X-Arcade, but is that really a good choice? Is there anything better out there that would suit my needs?
 
Research the X-Arcade at all and you'll find out about the input lag, the slight delay between when you hit your buttons and the game responds onscreen. In truth, this lag is so slight that for beginers, most fighting games will not be noticably effected. For instance, I would not hesitate in bringing out my X-Arcade solo for some Soul Calibur 2 action, and I know I'd do fine, even gaurd impacts. But the lag would always be there, it just matters more in some game than others. No 3rd Strike for this'un, ok? Plus all the extra money you'd have to put out for adaptors.

MAS could build you a good stick, but chances are you'd not be happy with their service and bump this thread in two weeks telling me that somebody stole the MAS guy's car again nd now you're stick is delayed another month. A 3 console MAS would still be pricey, and the Xbox support, via their own adaptor, would still be flakey. Adaptors are ultimate evil, BTW.

There's some PS2\Xbox SF:AC stick being put out, right around now, I think, that garnerd an undeserved thread a few weeks back. This stick is made by Nuby, and will likely be of poor quality. But hold that thought a second.

I also don't approve of this stick, but Pelican's Arcade Pro (or whatever) is big, wooden, and out of the box it has three console support. It's also the cheapest option, I think. What I dislike about it is the looseness of the stick, the feel of the buttons, and the severly curving arc in which the buttons are arranged. However, everything is standard size, so it's a snap to put higher quality Happ or even Sanwa parts (no top-mount sticks) in it. Doing so would eliminate two of my three complaints. The same will likely hold true for the Nuby SF:AC stick, but I've never actually seen one of those, so I can only assume.

Now, you mentioned Saturn support; now it gets tricky. No storefront is going to give you Saturn support except MAS. Indeed they could build you a PS2\Saturn\GC\Xbox stick; you could expect to pay over $200 and wait over a month. Some would say that dealing with them is serious die rolling, but I still like them.

The cheaper but harder thing to do is have a stick built with no PCB (what makes it a PS2 stick or Saturn stick) inside. Then you have a PCB built into a box per system, what we call a project box sometimes. In this manner, the arcade stick that you build can connect to any system, probably ever, that you hack a PCB box for. One might even think of building the Pelican PCB into one box, hmmm. It's going to take a fair bit of wiring, more than I've personaly handled on my own.

So it's time to seek out the builders at the Shoryuken hardware forum, of whose example I have tried to follow, and see if one of them is taking orders right now. This task should be no problem for most of them, only time is. You could also choose to learn how to make the devices yourself, in which case SRK (as Shoryuken is shortened) is still an invaluable resource. Don't be intimidated, the work is quite simple; delicate at times, but quite simple.

Perhaps your journey starts now, as mine did one day, possibly due to revelations about the X-Arcade, possibly the first time I played Soul Calibur with an Agetec "Green Goblin," or possibly even the first time I found an unattended Street Fighter II machine and got to play it myself (I picked Blanka, as I'm sure many of us did). Send me letters, won't you?
 
By the way ArcadeStickMonk, MAS changed their Xbox adapter, and now they send out a new adapter (Dreambox), but I got one right now, it's pretty much flawless, and it works the Xbox communicator for Live gaming too.

They changed their PCBs too, to make it compatible with the Dreambox. The only thing you'd want is a cable extender for the Xbox Live headset since the socket is on the adapter.
 
ArcadeStickMonk -- thank you. I didn't expect such a detailed reply. You've helped me greatly.

I've thought about it a bit, and, since I'm already getting into building and modifying my own electronic instruments, I might as well hop into building my own arcade stick. So, a few questions inevitably follow this revalation:

1. Where is the best place to find information for building an arcade stick for a person with beginner/moderate electronics skills?

2. Where is the best place online to order quality arcade parts? And do you think this will end up being somewhat expensive?


And again, thanks. You've been extremely helpful.
 
ArcadeStickMonk said:
MAS could build you a good stick, but chances are you'd not be happy with their service and bump this thread in two weeks telling me that somebody stole the MAS guy's car again nd now you're stick is delayed another month.

Heh, well, I finally got my stick. It took over two months in full. Still, it's a testament to the quality of their sticks that I don't regret my purchase at all. It's really high quality and actually bigger than I figured it would be. The only trouble now is coming up with the best place to put it while I play. I tried just putting it on my lap but arcades have me used to reaching down. My current solution involves putting a board between my couch and coffee table and resting the stick on it.
 
Minotauro said:
The only trouble now is coming up with the best place to put it while I play.
I turn over a tall laundry basket and place a smooth board on top. This lets me lean over the stick while sitting as if I was standing at a cabinet.
 
Awesome, Nuclear Playground let me re-find a good project box link I had lost.

From J & D's Arcade Construction , if you didn't understand the concept of external PCBs.

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So the external PCB hardware comes from opening up a controller and working with it? Or is there something else to it? I'm extremely new to this, so please excuse my utter lack of knowledge in the area.
 
It's like this:

Arcade buttons aren't anything but plastic dealies that close a circuit; goes quadrupal for a microswitch stick. The microswitch is what actually closes the circuit. When the circuit is closed the current flows back down the wire to the PCB, Printed Circuit Board, which registers that the X Button circuit is closed and sends the signal to the Playstation.

The PCB is what makes a controller what it is. It makes a PS2 controller compatible with a PS2 and an Xbox controller work with the Xbox. Or both, if that's how the PCB is made.

So instead of locking the PCB away in the stick unit itself, thus making that unit a "PS2 Unit," we leave the PCB out. All that is in the unit is buttons and microswitches whose wires terminate in a generic serial port. There is no circuit to close yet.

Then we open up a real console controller of our choice, and some are easier to work on than others (not my words) and remove the PCB from it. By reorganizing the PCB's wires to terminate in the other half of the generic serial port, we can connect our PCB-less stick unit to a PCB. Since the PCB we worked was still attached to it's PS2 or Xbox cord, we've just made our PCB-less unit into a PS2 or Xbox unit.

Just like the X-Arcade uses a serial cable to send unit's keyboard input (for that is what is sent by its PCB) though various adaptors on the other end, we can use a serial cable to attach our unit to whatever PCB we can wire up, thus the unit is essentially universal.

So you'd crack open a Dual Shock (or something) and cut the wires free from the button end and solder them one end of a serial port. Put the whole thing into a project box so we don't step on it. Then you got a stick unit with all the microswitches wired into a mirror image of the PCB's serial port and you're in business.

That's the gist of it anyway. If you are ready for the nitty gritty then you'll want to be visiting those links posted above.
 
And if I were to change my mind and stick with buying a stick, where would be best place be to get a stick with PCB add-ons (excepting the X-Arcade, of course)?
 
If such a thing existed, or I knew of one, we wouldn't be talking about this.

Unless you meant buying from a builder, in which case you need to hit up Shoryuken hardware. Reckon the builders will be backed up, but you don't know 'till you ask.
 
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