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[Alligatorjandro]

You aint seen nothing yet. Animal Passions documentary.

And the sexual relationship between human and animal swings both ways as this youtube video suggests.

For those completely dense these links are NSFW.

How does one come across such links?

 

[Joel Was Right]

anyone raising this argument is a donkeyfucker. wikipedia proofed it.

I just think its an interesting point

Source?

 

[Dynamite Ringo Matsuri]

*Watching a documentary on interspecial donkey relations and talking about dudes fuckin horses and giant ass snakes*

Just another Saturday on GAF

 

[Broder Salsa]

Oh F U woodenlung

It's a pretty great little interview.

Source?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=34841751#post34841751

 

[PhoenixDark]

Maybe animals would fuck us if they were the superior species on the planet. The whole idea of the "morals" of this issue strike me as nothing more than more religious nonsense. We slaughter animals, destroy their habitats, and eat them thanks to us advancing further, evolutionarily. As the dominance species we're basically already fucking animals in the figural sense, what's the difference in fucking them in a more literal/sexual sense?

Religion ruins everything

 

[Uchip]

no GAF? in the title? or is that old now

Pony-GAF, Furry-GAF...explain this shit please?

shouldnt this post be bannable?

 

[spindashing]

And the sexual relationship between human and animal swings both ways as this youtube video suggests.

His body was ready, fuck that. Underwear down? Suspect.

 

[Rocket Scientist]

The Netherlands used to be the largest exporter of beastialty porn. Guess the Germans took over once we outlawed it. We did, didn't we...?

 

[G-Fex]

You're blocked Lung.

that stuff is bad btw. I condemn it to hell or the mars planet deimos.

 

[Coins]

You'll have to define what you mean by "in our genes". The ability to process meat through digestion or genetic code telling me to crave meet? Because you make it sound like the latter.



Great rebuttal, i'm totally defeated.

I dont need to provide a rebuttal. You can see its in our genes to eat meat when you brush your teeth.

 

[mavs]

No, it's not evil. It might be based on your personal moral code, but your personal moral code doesn't matter.

It's not even my moral code. If you acknowledge that animals well-being should be respected, and then want violate their well-being, you are either evil or incapable of telling right from wrong.

 

[Broder Salsa]

You're blocked Lung.

I don't believe you.

 

[freenudemacusers]

You aint seen nothing yet. Animal Passions documentary.

And the sexual relationship between human and animal swings both ways as this youtube video suggests.

For those completely dense these links are NSFW.

Well, now I know how I'm spending this Saturday night.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

If we accept the notion that humans eating animals is okay because animals are not worth caring about or protecting for, then what exactly is the argument against somebody who wants to fuck an animal?

Humans, cats, dogs, and cows are all animals.

Human rights are obvious.

We don't eat cats and dogs in the USA and we agree to adopt and take care of them. Sex with them is non-consensual sexual assault. There's thousands of other kinds of animals we don't eat as well.

My argument is every living creature should have sexual assault rights.
More animals are not eaten than are.

If you want to call me evil or hypocritical when it comes to pork, chicken, cows, fish I realllllyyyy don't care because that's your opinion in your own little moral code. And since I'm allowed to support rights for the animals I don't eat in your moral code I'm going to carry the momentum down to these for every living thing that exists to have sex rights.

 

[water_wendi]

How does one come across such links?

i came across the Animal Passions documentary after watching the Real Doll documentary. The other one of the frisky donkey that wont take no for an answer is from years and years ago. The moral of that story is never go to the bathroom in a field with amorous donkeys in the vicinity.

 

[Maleficence]

You'll have to define what you mean by "in our genes". The ability to process meat through digestion or genetic code telling me to crave meet? Because you make it sound like the latter.

You may personally not feel a need to eat meat, but as a species, our protein intake is largely meat based, and yes our ability to process it and our desire for meat does make it a genetic disposition. That also applies to plants, since we are omnivores and not carnivores. Having said that individuals can develop a disposition against meat and even against veg through social conditioning.

 

[Noirulus]

I dont need to provide a rebuttal. You can see its in our genes to eat meat when you brush your teeth.

Uh, right. Because circumventing the question and saying "it's obvious man!" is how you show good evidence for your argument? Just don't bother replying if you don't have anything.

You may personally not feel a need to eat meat, but as a species, our protein intake is largely meat based, and yes our ability to process it and our desire for meat does make it a genetic disposition. That also applies to plants, since we are omnivores and not carnivores. Having said that individuals can develop a disposition against meat and even against veg through social conditioning.

I was never socially conditioned to dislike meat, infact, my parents tried to get me to eat it many times. I just don't like it because I wasn't raised eating it. Ability to process=/=genetic craving for meat. Meat is but one way to acquire protein.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Only on GAF can a thread like this get so much activity.

 

[TheExplodingHead]

In terms of moral "animal rights", I think it depends on who's doing the fucking and who's getting fucked, personally. Certainly nothing wrong with pleasuring the family dog, or horse or whatever, definitely wrong to cause physical harm/pain to a animal while doing do. Had a GF back in high school who was into this stuff, it didn't last long and was very weird.

 

[Devolution]

Once you go hound, there's no more horsing around.

 

[Broder Salsa]

Only on GAF can a thread like this get so much activity.

Not going to blame anyone here but..

 

[Maleficence]

The amount of people in her equating (or worse) bestiality with eating meat is astonishing and actually pretty disgusting.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Not going to blame anyone here but..

Hey you're 2nd!!!

 

[Fritz]

Come on GAF, don't be so stiff.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

Certainly nothing wrong with pleasuring the family dog, or horse or whatever, definitely wrong to cause physical harm/pain to a animal while doing do.

Pretty much my thoughts on the matter.

 

[mavs]

In terms of moral "animal rights", I think it depends on who's doing the fucking and who's getting fucked, personally. Certainly nothing wrong with pleasuring the family dog, or horse or whatever, definitely wrong to cause physical harm/pain to a animal while doing do. Had a GF back in high school who was into this stuff, it didn't last long and was very weird.

Well seeing as humans can get cancer from sexual contact with animals it seems reasonable to worry that animals can get cancer from it too. So along with other arguments in this thread, from an animal welfare perspective there are definitely some major objections to bestiality.

 

[Timedog]

Once you go cat, there's no more need for scat.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Once you go monkey your dick'll smell funky

 

[rpmurphy]

Why would anyone want to do sex to an animal?

Pussy without STD's?

 

[freenudemacusers]

Once you go cat, there's no more need for scat.

pfft speak for yourself

 

[TheExplodingHead]

Well seeing as humans can get cancer from sexual contact with animals it seems reasonable to worry that animals can get cancer from it too. So along with other arguments in this thread, from an animal welfare perspective there are definitely some major objections to bestiality.

Forgive my ignorance then, I'm not too up-to-date on all things bestiality. But what do you propose we actually do about it? Kick down doors, point guns at people for being dog fuckers? I doubt it's a problem that's readily fixable, and certainly not very widespread, but definitely a tragedy for whatever animals get hurt.

 

[Darkman M]

In terms of moral "animal rights", I think it depends on who's doing the fucking and who's getting fucked, personally. Certainly nothing wrong with pleasuring the family dog, or horse or whatever, definitely wrong to cause physical harm/pain to a animal while doing do. Had a GF back in high school who was into this stuff, it didn't last long and was very weird.

Pretty much my thoughts on the matter.

 

[Brobzoid]

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fuck highlighting

 

[CHEEZMO™]

Well seeing as humans can get cancer from sexual contact with animals it seems reasonable to worry that animals can get cancer from it too. So along with other arguments in this thread, from an animal welfare perspective there are definitely some major objections to bestiality.

From the Handy Guide to Bitchsex:

Pyometra is always fatal if untreated

This is a deadly condition commonly seen in unsprayed bitches and cases where the uterus was not removed but the ovaries were (mostly in Europe). If you live in Europe you will need to ask if the vet will remove the uterine horns as well to avoid this.
Your sperm can cause pyometra because its job is to enter the uterus, then it dies and can cause infection.

Pussy without STD's?

Are there any canine STDs?

Yes, brucellosis.

This is a bacterial disease that can be transmitted from animals to humans and humans to animals. It is form touching vaginal secretions, afterbirth or from the male mucus or ejaculate. Once infected it is very difficult to get rid of but is treatable. There will be side effects however.

This will cause abortions or miscarriages and infertility. It also affects the joints and other body systems.

Not sure how true this is - I don't know shit about animals.

 

[Amibguous Cad]

I dont see why, i mean its not like people who consume animal products must be universally for animal products without any consideration to the cost to the animal relative to the human gain.

I like meat but im not okay with shark fin soup, for example.
i support the seal hunt, but i'm against farming bears for bile.

its not a package deal, it shouldn't seem weird that a person who eats meat might find that having sex with animals is more harmful than its positive gains to people could justify.

The problem is that there's very clearly motivated reasoning going on in determining exactly what the gains to people are, and in determining exactly what the cost to the animal is. There's just no coherent argument that the wholesale slaughter of animals is morally superior to their rape. Killing someone is pretty close to the worst possible thing you can do to them. Rape is terrible, but it receives less of a punishment than murder in every justice system that I'm aware of, no matter how little pain the murder causes to the person being murdered. That's without even touching the fact that the conditions in the modern meat industry are far from humane. The ordering of preferences is out of whack, in a way that conveniently allows for people to continue satisfying their taste for meat while indulging in moral indignation at people whose animal cruelty is a bit more unusual.

If you eat meat, you really don't have any leg to stand on in condemning animal abuse or zoophilia.

False equivalency - you don't need to fuck a animal to survive, it's unnecessary torment on part of the animal..

Spoiler

and yourself

.>__>

You don't need to eat animals to survive, either. Vegetarians are perfectly healthy, often more healthy than omnivores. And meat production actually runs counter to survivability, in that they contribute to greenhouse gas emissions (seriously, methane from cow farts is a huge deal) and produce significantly fewer calories per acre than plant agriculture.

That's only been true more recently.

Regardless of that, we are omnivores, it's in our genes to eat meat.

Funny how a sizable minority of individuals and cultures manage to defy their genetics just fine. Our genes incline us to immoral behavior all the time. That rape was a successful reproductive strategy and therefore selected for in our evolutionary history does not make it moral.

I have no moral objection against people having sex with animals if it's consensual. I don't even know if it's possible to have sex with an animal that doesn't want to. Last year a guy in Spain tried to have sex with a horse and got kicked, resulting in a crushed face (and a ticket out of the country because he was an illegal immigrant).

"Wanting it" and consent are two different things. Animals are incapable of consenting in a fully informed fashion in the same way minors are incapable of it.

 

[mavs]

Forgive my ignorance then, I'm not too up-to-date on all things bestiality. But what do you propose we actually do about it? Kick down doors, point guns at people for being dog fuckers? I doubt it's a problem that's readily fixable, and certainly not very widespread, but definitely a tragedy for whatever animals get hurt.

Well, no. Like I said it is pretty slimy for meat eaters to cite such arguments anyway. But there is a (human) public health concern in this too, so it can be treated like swine or bird flu. When a disease associated with human-animal sex is reported, the humans and animals involved should be quarantined from each other.

 

[Devolution]

If you eat meat, you really don't have any leg to stand on in condemning animal abuse or zoophilia.

A clean kill of an animal in order to eat it is morally superior in my book to raping an animal.

 

[Corky]

Bestiality defence force...

Now I've seen it all.

 

[Uchip]

You don't need to eat animals to survive, either. Vegetarians are perfectly healthy, often more healthy than omnivores. And meat production actually runs counter to survivability, in that they contribute to greenhouse gas emissions (seriously, methane from cow farts is a huge deal) and produce significantly fewer calories per acre than plant agriculture.

well
actually
vegetarianism causes more animal deaths than farm bred animals
and they're just slaughtered, for the sake of people not wanting to harm animals, which is really backwards.

 

[Amibguous Cad]

Well, no. Like I said it is pretty slimy for meat eaters to cite such arguments anyway. But there is a (human) public health concern in this too, so it can be treated like swine or bird flu. When a disease associated with human-animal sex is reported, the humans and animals involved should be quarantined from each other.

STDs are a public health concern, too, but we don't quarantine people from each other. Yeah, sex is necessary for propagating the species, but there's not even a stigma against non-procreative sex anymore, much less laws against it. Perhaps the public health rationale really is so much more pressing in the case of zoophilia; I don't know aton about the risks of zoophilia. But given the existence of HIV, I kind of doubt it.

 

[Maleficence]

There's nothing immoral about eating another animal, that is how omnivores work and always have worked. There is something immoral about being such an intelligent species and having sex with a non-consenting member of a different non-intelligent species.

 

[TheExplodingHead]

Well, no. Like I said it is pretty slimy for meat eaters to cite such arguments anyway. But there is a (human) public health concern in this too, so it can be treated like swine or bird flu. When a disease associated with human-animal sex is reported, the humans and animals involved should be quarantined from each other.

I understand, but again how would you go about doing this? People rarely tell the truth when they visit the ER when there's a sexual problem going on, are you expecting people to just stroll in and say "oh yeah I pounded Mr. Ed and now I've got a 1 oz tumor on my balls", I doubt it. If a disease like that was simply reported, it would be be enough of a deterrence. In order for quarantine to be effective you need people to be forthcoming about their sickness and sexual habits.

Very few men report sexual dysfunction (both serious and non-serious) in time for it to be most effectively treated. The worse the disease or circumstances around it are, the longer they wait to be seen.

 

[Uchip]

Would appreciate it if you would reply to my post CAD
its a very common misconception that vegetarianism is doing more good for animals

 

[Enco]

Fucking animals!

 

[Amibguous Cad]

well
actually
vegetarianism causes more animal deaths than farm bred animals
and they're just slaughtered, for the sake of people not wanting to harm animals, which is really backwards.

I will patiently await your explanation of these cryptic statements.

(Seriously, I've never heard that assertion before, andI'd be very interested in seeing it justified, but you haven't so much made an argument as hinted at one. And I really can't make heads or tails of that last sentence. Are you referring to PETA?)

EDIT: missed the link. Will read and get back to you.

A clean kill of an animal in order to eat it is morally superior in my book to raping an animal.

You, as well. An assertion is not an argument. What principles are you basing this assertion on? The analogous statement, "A clean kill of a human in order to eat it is morally superior to raping a person," would require some kind of defense. In order to carry it through, you will either have to defend that statement, or make a coherent argument that the ordering of preferences we give to humanity ought to be different than the ordering of preferences that we give to animals, and in such a way that murder drops from "worst possible thing," to "perfectly morally kosher"

 

[Uchip]

How about you read the article I linked?

 

[User Name Here]

Bestiality defence force...

Now I've seen it all.

I'm I doing it right?

 

[mavs]

STDs are a public health concern, too, but we don't quarantine people from each other. Yeah, sex is necessary for propagating the species, but there's not even a stigma against non-procreative sex anymore, much less laws against it. Perhaps the public health rationale really is so much more pressing in the case of zoophilia; I don't know aton about the risks of zoophilia. But given the existence of HIV, I kind of doubt it.

Quarantine is the only way to treat a serious infection. For humans we just call it a hospital bed. We also remove animals and humans from close contact in cases of bird and swine flu, so it seems like it could be handled by established policy.

I understand, but again how would you go about doing this? People rarely tell the truth when they visit the ER when there's a sexual problem going on, are you expecting people to just stroll in and say "oh yeah I pounded Mr. Ed and now I've got a 1 oz tumor on my balls", I doubt it. If a disease like that was simply reported, it would be be enough of a deterrence. In order for quarantine to be effective you need people to be forthcoming about their sickness and sexual habits.

Very few men report sexual dysfunction (both serious and non-serious) in time for it to be most effectively treated. The worse the disease or circumstances around it are, the longer they wait to be seen.

I didn't mean there would be a way to prevent any cases from ever occurring, and I don't think the problem is widespread enough for that to be necessary. If someone gets seriously ill they will eventually turn up in an ER, and that's probably as far as we need to take it.

 

[darkside31337]

There's nothing immoral about eating another animal, that is how omnivores work and always have worked. There is something immoral about being such an intelligent species and having sex with a non-consenting member of a different non-intelligent species.

If you hunt and kill your own food as how its always been done thats fine. Chances are you don't. And thus it's not how "its always worked". I find the entire process of growing meat to be completely immoral for reasons that go beyond the process of humans eating meat in itself. You obviously disagree, but I find it completely disingenuous to say that factory farms is how eating meat has always been done.

Zoophilia might be against your moral code. Historically that hasn't always been the case. Just like there have been societies that have frowned upon the consumption of meat.

On a more macro level I find the over-consumption of resources (Uchip even the author of your article admits that meat eaters are more destructive on that level, it's honestly irrefutable) to be completely more heinous than some wackos looking to get it on with a couple of animals.

 

[Devolution]

You, as well. An assertion is not an argument. What principles are you basing this assertion on? The analogous statement, "A clean kill of a human in order to eat it is morally superior to raping a person," would require some kind of defense. In order to carry it through, you will either have to defend that statement, or make a coherent argument that the ordering of preferences we give to humanity ought to be different than the ordering of preferences that we give to animals, and in such a way that murder drops from "worst possible thing," to "perfectly morally kosher"

I'm an omnivore, I eat animals. A clean kill so I can eat is fair. Torturing an animal for my pleasure is beyond the pale to me.