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But Petersons' focus on religion is his way of promoting positive moral values without the literal/fundamentalist interpretations of Christianity. Peterson never advocates for the literal interpretation of the Bible or the literal existence of a God that created the universe. He advocates for the metaphorical value of the tradition and culture.

Yeah I know, and I think it's a smart solution that's absolutely to Peterson's credit. I was just explaining my thoughts to Bolivar687

I admit that it is ultimately an article of faith but I don't think Christians should be ashamed of that, because it is worthy of belief. The resurrection has permanently and irreversibly changed human history and Western civilization, with entire continents of nations and peoples gathered unto Christ as the Psalms and the Prophets of the Old Testament had written, but also with the public institutions and concepts we would not have but for the ministry of Christ.

I don't think we can have religion without faith, but I do think you have to at least afford some reasonable weight to the fact that the eye witnesses to the resurrection were willing to undergo torture and execution on behalf of their testimony, even if it can't necessarily bring you over the goal line. There is also the miracle of the sun at Fatima in 1917 and eucharistic miracles, of all these consecrated hosts becoming heart tissue of a person who died in agony, and always of the same blood type.

I don't think you should be ashamed of your belief either. Listening to JP (and also working with believing christians in my job) actually taught me a lot about the value of Christianity so I've become far less judgmental towards believers since my "new atheist days" but I'm still (by nature) a very skeptical person so I'm afraid the 'goal line" is still far out of sight. In the end belief for me is something that is felt, and the only experiences that I truly felt to be spiritual/supernatural are bunch of magic mushroom trips I undertook in my student years.

Douglas Murray spiting some good fire here. I particularly like when he goes after people who say "educate yourself"

LOL I could have sworn I was listening to Blackadder shit talking Baldrick in that bit

Other than that I was not a fan of the takes here, I feel like they're letting their anger/disgust get the better of their judgements. Ok, I take that back, maybe only Douglas Murray is doing that, and Dave Rubin is just being Dave Rubin. But anyway, they're talking about "the adults" having to take the reins, but actually anyone who spoke up against Jordan Peterson's book should just be fired? And Dave "free speech" Rubin says that anyone who disagrees with his management decisions is out the door in the companies he runs. Well that explains a lot, LOL. Don't these people hear themselves talking? In an 'adult' environment, employees should at least be free to speak their conscience without fear of immediate termination. What if it had been a bunch of conservative employees speaking out against the publication of "white fragility"?

I'm sure there's a whole bunch of people who don't give a rat's ass about Peterson and feigned outrage at that meeting in exchange for virtue points. It's pathetic. But for chrissakes just let them have their meeting. In the end it won't change the outcome.
If penguin perceives that the income will be greater than the cost (in lost sales, lawsuits, negative publicity) Peterson's book will be published and they "remain committed to publishing a diversity of voices"
If penguin perceives that the cost will be greater than the income Peterson's book will be cancelled, and they "remain committed to not giving hate-speech a platform"

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Yeah I know, and I think it's a smart solution that's absolutely to Peterson's credit. I was just explaining my thoughts to Bolivar687



I don't think you should be ashamed of your belief either. Listening to JP (and also working with believing christians in my job) actually taught me a lot about the value of Christianity so I've become far less judgmental towards believers since my "new atheist days" but I'm still (by nature) a very skeptical person so I'm afraid the 'goal line" is still far out of sight. In the end belief for me is something that is felt, and the only experiences that I truly felt to be spiritual/supernatural are bunch of magic mushroom trips I undertook in my student years.



LOL I could have sworn I was listening to Blackadder shit talking Baldrick in that bit

Other than that I was not a fan of the takes here, I feel like they're letting their anger/disgust get the better of their judgements. Ok, I take that back, maybe only Douglas Murray is doing that, and Dave Rubin is just being Dave Rubin. But anyway, they're talking about "the adults" having to take the reins, but actually anyone who spoke up against Jordan Peterson's book should just be fired? And Dave "free speech" Rubin says that anyone who disagrees with his management decisions is out the door in the companies he runs. Well that explains a lot, LOL. Don't these people hear themselves talking? In an 'adult' environment, employees should at least be free to speak their conscience without fear of immediate termination. What if it had been a bunch of conservative employees speaking out against the publication of "white fragility"?

I'm sure there's a whole bunch of people who don't give a rat's ass about Peterson and feigned outrage at that meeting in exchange for virtue points. It's pathetic. But for chrissakes just let them have their meeting. In the end it won't change the outcome.
If penguin perceives that the income will be greater than the cost (in lost sales, lawsuits, negative publicity) Peterson's book will be published and they "remain committed to publishing a diversity of voices"
If penguin perceives that the cost will be greater than the income Peterson's book will be cancelled, and they "remain committed to not giving hate-speech a platform"

Odds are if the book is listed contracts have been signed. I doubt they can just "cancel" it at this point.

 

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Odds are if the book is listed contracts have been signed. I doubt they can just "cancel" it at this point.

It's purely hypothetical, they're never cancelling it, the book's obviously going to be a huge seller.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Mine is shipping now.